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    In this thread, you can post all of the fictional characters to see which alignment they belong to. Ok, I go first. I'm always curious to see what Shrek alignment belong to:

    Shrek (True Neutral)
    Donkey (Chaotic Neutral)
    Princess Fiona (Neutral Good)

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    Discworld
    Death: Lawful Neutral
    Granny Weatherwax: True Neutral
    Nanny Ogg: Chaotic Good
    Carrot Ironfounderson: Lawful Good
    Sam Vimes: Lawful Neutral
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    Earthbound:

    Ness: Neutral Good
    Lucas: Neutral Good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizard_Lizard View Post
    Discworld
    Death: Lawful Neutral
    Granny Weatherwax: True Neutral
    Nanny Ogg: Chaotic Good
    Carrot Ironfounderson: Lawful Good
    Sam Vimes: Lawful Neutral
    I think granny weatherwax would be chaotic
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    Jaime: True Neutral. He probably starts Neutral Evil at the beginning of the series, but later shows that he is loyal to family and his own soldiers.
    Brienne: Lawful/Neutral Good. Willing to comply with the law, very heroic. More Good than Lawful.
    Stannis: Lawful Neutral. No explanation.
    Davos: Chaotic Good. Smuggler.


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    Have any of you seen the youtube videos by The Loading Crew on character alignment? You may enjoy them, bartman.
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    Mortal Engines:

    Thaddeus Valentine: Lawful Evil
    Mayor Crome: Lawful Evil
    Dr Twix: Lawful Evil
    Stalker Shrike: True Neutral/Neutral Evil
    Herbert Melliphent: Neutral Evil
    Tom Natsworthy:Lawful Good
    Katherine Valentine: Lawful Good -> Chaotic Good
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    Bevis Pod: Chaotic Good
    Chudleigh Pomeroy: Lawful Good

    Hester Shaw: Chaotic Neutral
    Pandora Shaw: Chaotic Greedy/Chaotic Stupid
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    Smew: Lawful Neutral
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    Nimrod Pennyroyal: Chaotic Neutral

    Caul: Neutral Good
    Gargle: Lawful Evil
    Uncle: Lawful Evil

    Dr Popjoy: Neutral Evil
    Stalker Fang: Lawful Evil
    Sathya : Lawful Neutral

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    Quote Originally Posted by el minster View Post
    I think granny weatherwax would be chaotic
    Also Good, surely? She's grumpier than Nanny but she's still on the side of the angels. Good doesn't necessarily mean nice.
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    Definitely good, I'd say. By the simple metric that good people are those who are willing to sacrifice for others, she's very good.
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    Granny Weatherwax is Lawful Good. She has a strict moral code and a huge degree of self-discipline, and does not tolerate evil. She isn't nice, though. The irony is that she is better suited to be evil, and was forced into being the good witch when her sister went the evil route.

    Vimes is also Lawful Good - in this case I will just quote TVTropes as it puts it much better than I can:

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    As a prime example of how Character Alignment is only part of character, rather than the whole of it, Samuel Vimes is also Lawful Good, albeit of a very different sort than Carrot's. Despite being arguably the most cynical and misanthropic {deleted} in the series, Samuel Vimes is also one of the most moral. The law is the rock to which Vimes clings in a world that makes no sense to him — when a million-year old supernatural thing of vengeance possessed him, he kicked it out of his mind by creating the Guarding Dark, an entity of pure Heroic Willpower and Lawful Good. He does things by the book (well, mostly) and gives people their due process.

    And when he does "bend" (or ignore) the law, it's because he believes the point of the law is to protect people, even in situations allowed by current law: Snuff has him arrest someone involved in enslaving goblins, despite the fact that the law doesn't consider them legally equal to most other races on the Disc, because they're people in his mind. Vetinari has the slaver marked to be assassinated, but that's because one goblin proved to be an amazing musician; otherwise he wouldn't have cared, and would have let Vimes deal with the political fallout. This is partially why Vimes is Lawful Good...
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    This is all going over my head. I only read the first three books in that series
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    Quote Originally Posted by el minster View Post
    This is all going over my head. I only read the first three books in that series
    Let's see, that's The Colour of Magic, The Light Fantastic, Equal Rites. You have the best yet to come - while there is a steady improvement across the three, Pratchett doesn't really take off until Mort/Sourcery/Wyrd Sisters (which one in particular is a matter of much debate). Although introduced in Equal Rites, Granny's character develpos considerably in Wyrd Sisters.
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    Good isn't nice? Get out of here. LOL!

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    Good isn't nice? Get out of here. LOL!
    Being amenable isn't a prerequiste for acting well. There are doctors who will spent 20 hour straight at an operating table only to insult the patient continuously after they're saved. There are people who will judge others extremely harshly and refuse to be quiet about it but also hold themselves to the same very high standard.

    Meanwhile some people will be unfaillingly polite and charming even as they drive the metaphorical knife in your back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    Good isn't nice? Get out of here. LOL!
    Shojo was Good, but he was not nice. Malack was nice, but he was not Good. Nice doesn't mean Good, and Good doesn't mean Nice.

    Again, alignment is a very rough estimation. It is not a prescription for how a person will act, or a replacement for personality. It is a game mechanic, and even in those games it has the potential to not really mean a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Being amenable isn't a prerequisite for acting well. There are doctors who will spend 20 hours straight at an operating table only to insult the patient continuously after they're saved. There are people who will judge others extremely harshly and refuse to be quiet about it but also hold themselves to the same very high standard.

    Meanwhile, some people will be unfailingly polite and charming even as they drive the metaphorical knife in your back.

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    Shojo was Good, but he was not nice. Malack was nice, but he was not Good. Nice doesn't mean Good, and Good doesn't mean Nice.

    Again, alignment is a very rough estimation. It is not a prescription for how a person will act or a replacement for personality. It is a game mechanic, and even in those games, it has the potential to not really mean a lot.
    Both of you are right about it. Personality is very complex.

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    Ness: Neutral Good
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    Kirby Series:

    Kirby: Neutral Good
    King Dedede: Chaotic Neutral
    Meta-Knight: Lawful Neutral

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    Artemis Fowl NE then TN then at the very end NG
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    Spawn Series:

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    Violator (Chaotic Evil)
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    Quote Originally Posted by el minster View Post
    I think granny weatherwax would be chaotic
    No not chaotic. She knows the importance of rules, granted she doesn't see them as applying to her. maybe neutral good would be best.
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    Avengers:

    Iron Man: Neutral Good
    Black Widow: Lawful Good
    Hawkeye: Chaotic Good
    Hulk: Chaotic Good
    Captain America: Lawful Good
    Thor: Neutral Good
    Loki: Neutral Evil
    Ultron: Lawful Evil
    Thanos: Chaotic Evil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    Avengers:

    Iron Man: Neutral Good
    Black Widow: Lawful Good
    Hawkeye: Chaotic Good
    Hulk: Chaotic Good
    Captain America: Lawful Good
    Thor: Neutral Good
    Loki: Neutral Evil
    Ultron: Lawful Evil
    Thanos: Chaotic Evil
    Gonna go ahead and assume you're talking about the MCU takes on these characters.

    When we say "Hulk", do we mean Bruce Banner or Incredible Hulk? They have very different temperaments and moral concerns. I'd argue that neither of them is Chaotic Good, honestly. Bruce himself strikes me as more Neutral Good, while Hulk is more Chaotic Neutral with occasional CG leanings, especially in the later films when he mellows out a little. I guess that averages out to Chaotic Good. Shrug.

    Captain America is probably NG just like Iron Man is. He tries to follow the rule of law, but he doesn't have any trouble breaking it if he thinks that's the better way to help people. For evidence, see his actions... pretty much throughout Civil War and Infinity War.

    I would probably swap Ultron and Thanos on the Lawful/Chaotic thing. Thanos' ultimate goal is genociding half of all life in the universe, but he's respectful to his enemies, shows clear signs of standards and principles (if ones extremely twisted by his fatalist worldview), honors deals he makes, and is overall the kind of person you probably wouldn't mind having on your team if he wasn't, y'know, a mass-murdering space warlord. Ultron, on the other hand, talks the game of a messiah figure who wants the best for humanity, but his motives and his plan shift constantly, and they always ultimately boil down to "kill a ton of people because Daddy Stark didn't program me a conscience". He doesn't really have the scruples I'd associate with an LE character, nor the pragmatism of an NE character.

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    I'd call Hulk True Neutral. Hulk don't care. Hulk just smash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KatsOfLoathing View Post
    Gonna go ahead and assume you're talking about the MCU takes on these characters.

    When we say "Hulk", do we mean Bruce Banner or Incredible Hulk? They have very different temperaments and moral concerns. I'd argue that neither of them is Chaotic Good, honestly. Bruce himself strikes me as more Neutral Good, while Hulk is more Chaotic Neutral with occasional CG leanings, especially in the later films when he mellows out a little. I guess that averages out to Chaotic Good. Shrug.

    Captain America is probably NG just like Iron Man is. He tries to follow the rule of law, but he doesn't have any trouble breaking it if he thinks that's the better way to help people. For evidence, see his actions... pretty much throughout Civil War and Infinity War.

    I would probably swap Ultron and Thanos on the Lawful/Chaotic thing. Thanos' ultimate goal is genociding half of all life in the universe, but he's respectful to his enemies, shows clear signs of standards and principles (if ones extremely twisted by his fatalist worldview), honors deals he makes, and is overall the kind of person you probably wouldn't mind having on your team if he wasn't, y' know, a mass-murdering space warlord. Ultron, on the other hand, talks the game of a messiah figure who wants the best for humanity, but his motives and his plan shift constantly, and they always ultimately boil down to "kill a ton of people because Daddy Stark didn't program a conscience". He doesn't really have the scruples I'd associate with an LE character, nor the pragmatism of an NE character.
    Bruce Banner is Lawful Neutral and the Incredible Hulk is Chaotic Good. As for Thanos alignment, I thought that he's Chaotic Evil, Neutral Evil is more likely to fit his alignment. Maybe Lawful Evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    Bruce Banner is Lawful Neutral and the Incredible Hulk is Chaotic Good. As for Thanos alignment, I thought that he's Chaotic Evil, Neutral Evil is more likely to fit his alignment. Maybe Lawful Evil.
    What would make you say that Banner is Neutral and Hulk is Good? That seems to run pretty counter to the majority of their actions in the movies. Banner tries to help out the good guys as best he can when his powers aren't overriding his better judgement, and the Hulk doesn't really think of anything beyond smashing whatever (or whoever) is in front of him until Ragnarok gives him some time to grow mentally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatsOfLoathing View Post
    What would make you say that Banner is Neutral and Hulk is Good? That seems to run pretty counter to the majority of their actions in the movies. Banner tries to help out the good guys as best he can when his powers aren't overriding his better judgement, and the Hulk doesn't really think of anything beyond smashing whatever (or whoever) is in front of him until Ragnarok gives him some time to grow mentally.
    Ok. You're right about it. Captain America as Neutral Good? I could see that.
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    As to Iron man, I think it shifts during the movies (I've never read any comics, so I only have the movies to go on). In the first movie, Tony Stark is quite chaotic. He just thinks about himself and nobody else. But that changes in later movies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by farothel View Post
    As to Iron man, I think it shifts during the movies (I've never read any comics, so I only have the movies to go on). In the first movie, Tony Stark is quite chaotic. He just thinks about himself and nobody else. But that changes in later movies.
    Start of Iron Man 1: Neutral Evil. Nobody says that evil can't have a conscience, it's about how he acts. Tony runs one of the world's largest maker of some of the most advanced weapons available, and he doesn't care about what's done with it until the results are squarely in front of him.
    End of Iron Man 1: Chaotic Good. He doesn't give much of a damn about laws, he cares about keeping his technology out of the wrong hands and acting as he sees fit.

    Start of Iron Man 2: Chaotic Good. "You want my property, you can't have it, but I did you a big favour - I have successfully privatised world peace!"
    End of Iron Man 2: Neutral Good. Accepts some controls on his behaviour.

    Iron Man 3: no real change in character as such, it's all internal conflict.

    Civil War: Lawful Good. "We need to be put in check". Wants to submit the Avengers to law out of desire to protect his friends.

    Endgame: Lawful Good. Sacrifices himself for the rest of humanity.

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    I never get where people think Tony was selling weapons to anyone and everyone and didn't care about the results. Yes, he sold to the US military and presumably other national militaries, but that does not count as selling to everyone and anyone. In fact there is solid evidence that Tony didn't sell to a lot of people and groups. If Tony sold to anyone than his partner Obadiah Stane wouldn't have been going behind his back so much to make sales. That puts Tony in the Neutral listing.
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