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    I'm opening for an "atmospheric black metal" band in July...I still don't get why they aren't just dark ambient. They have no drums, no guitar riffs, no vocals...in what way is this metal? Also, in what way is this NOT dark ambient, which has been an established genre for 40 years or so?

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    On the topic of dark ambient real quick, could any of y'all recommend a good starting place for the genre? The reviewing site I normally check before diving into a new genre or band doesn't have anything on dark ambient (at least that I could find), and I really don't like just jumping into a genre with no context. Any help would be appreciated.

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    Best place to start would be Lustmord. Then maybe check the old Cold Meat Industries catalogue. I'm particularly fond of Raison d'être, and his side projects (Necrophorus "Drifting In Motion" is a must-have). Vidna Obmana is amazing. He also used to work with ritual techno band Hybryds, but that's tangenting a bit.

    That should keep you busy for a while! There's a lot of crossover with some experimental/noise stuff, as well as goth/industrial, depending on where you want to look next.

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    I'm not sure to what extent these constitute dark ambient (the distinction gets a little blurry for me), but I've heard them mentioned in the same realm as dark ambient, so I would also recommend Maeror Tri (The Beauty of Sadness), Dargaard, Zoviet France, Dark Muse, and Rainforest Spiritual Enslavement. Some of Nadja's and Prurient's stuff edges into that territory as well (though the former is mostly drone/doom).
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    Enthusiastically seconding Zoviet France. Lots of people also like Rapoon (Robin Storey used to be in ZF), but I was never that crazy about them. Mark Spybey of Dead Voices on Air was also a member for a while. DVOA is great, but more ambient industrial, if we want to get that granular with genres

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    Oh man, I haven't heard the name Lustmord in a while. What a throwback. Yeah, Lustmord is excellent.

    I'll always recommend Dargaard like Comrade said... shame they never made more. I'll always hold out hope that Tharen gets off his ass and releases another album. Also Die Verbannten Kinder Evas, although we're moving into more darkwave territory there.

    There's also some of Ulver's mid-era albums... I'm specifically thinking Shadows of the Sun and Wars of the Roses. Again, a bit more... melodic? than what you expect, but yeah. Great albums.

    But if you want to creep yourself out properly, then there's the one and only Elend. Haven't quite heard anything like them before or since.



    So... new Midnattsol is out. It's pretty good. Still not quite The Metamorphosis Melody, but that's a special album anyway. Also, now we can add another band to the list who have covered Herr Mannelig. Seems like just about every German band in existence does it.

    To my shame, still haven't listened to the new Witch Mountain.
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    So... new Midnattsol is out. It's pretty good. Still not quite The Metamorphosis Melody, but that's a special album anyway. Also, now we can add another band to the list who have covered Herr Mannelig. Seems like just about every German band in existence does it.
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    Yeah, like 7 years since the last one. It's been a tic.

    Well, I mean I love Liv's voice. But she doesn't feature all that much on the album, at least not what I heard. It's mostly Carmen, with a couple of switches here and there. But yeah, fanboy me likes it.


    Edit: Okay holy **** the new Witch Mountain is beyond epic. AOTY material for sure.
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    Edit: Okay holy **** the new Witch Mountain is beyond epic. AOTY material for sure.
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    I finally managed to listen to Amorphis' Queen of Time, the whole album. I think it's really good. And the songs sound different from their versions on youtube to me, it might be different quality or something like that, but they sound a lot better, even compared to official 1080p videos. It's been a while since I last really wanted to listen to an album again after listening to it the first time.

    Oddly, while they have very different themes, they remind me of Macbeth' Romantic Tragedy's Crescendo, from some 20 years ago.
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    So I put out a lathe-cut 7"! This is the first time I've released anything on vinyl, so I'm very excited. Don't sell enough to be able to afford a proper pressing, but found a guy who does reasonably priced lathes, so put together a little limited edition. You can hear it here:
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    Why lathe in stead of cd, JoshL?
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    Lots of reasons! I'm working on a full length that will be on cd, but it's taking a while, so as a single this gives me something fresh on the merch table until then. My previous ep is on cd, and still sells at shows (music sells better than t-shirts for me right now, which is good), so having something in a different format is good, for variety's sake, and I refuse to do cassettes. I have had people ask for records at shows, and fans always like limited edition things. I also LOVE the art my friend did for the song, and wanted to print it nice and big!

    But to be perfectly honest, it's mostly a vanity project. I like the sound of records and have always wanted to release one!

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    nice. is there a big difference between ordinary lp and lathe? I have just never encountered the format
    also nice that you sell at shows. I can't find cds on your bandcamp though, so I guess I just assumed you didn't do that format. as for cassette, I have no understanding for that format. then I'd rather sell a box with an usb
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    A regular record is pressed by a metal plate into the vinyl, making for quick mass production. Part of the cost is manufacturing the plates, so most places won't bother with really small runs. Lathes are cut by hand, one at a time, so a small batch is easier to do (and, in fact, preferable, since it takes a long time). There's a whole scene of folks cutting records; some of them experimenting with cutting records into weird surfaces, etc.

    For a while I was doing cd fulfillment through cd baby, putting it in amazon, etc. They sold out and are asking me for more, but they want 2 more. It was just me being lazy about fulfillment, but doing the records hasn't been too bad so far, so I might move my cds to bandcamp.

    I'd take a poorly labeled cd-r in a plastic bag over cassettes. i don't know why they've made a comeback in certain circles, and will laugh when they are on the way back out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshL View Post
    A regular record is pressed by a metal plate into the vinyl, making for quick mass production. Part of the cost is manufacturing the plates, so most places won't bother with really small runs. Lathes are cut by hand, one at a time, so a small batch is easier to do (and, in fact, preferable, since it takes a long time). There's a whole scene of folks cutting records; some of them experimenting with cutting records into weird surfaces, etc.
    how is the sound quality on lathe compared to a pressed vinyl?

    For a while I was doing cd fulfillment through cd baby, putting it in amazon, etc. They sold out and are asking me for more, but they want 2 more. It was just me being lazy about fulfillment, but doing the records hasn't been too bad so far, so I might move my cds to bandcamp.
    that's nice. well done! I might consider buying if you do a re-run of cds

    I'd take a poorly labeled cd-r in a plastic bag over cassettes. i don't know why they've made a comeback in certain circles, and will laugh when they are on the way back out!
    I think it was when vinyl became popular, that people wanted something that would be much more underground and obscure
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    So I put out a lathe-cut 7"! This is the first time I've released anything on vinyl, so I'm very excited. Don't sell enough to be able to afford a proper pressing, but found a guy who does reasonably priced lathes, so put together a little limited edition. You can hear it here:
    https://doorsinthelabyrinth.bandcamp...ris-two-ravens
    darkwave, not metal, but anyone who knows celtic folk at all will probably dig my version of Two Ravens (Twa' Corbies) on the b-side!
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    Come back, thread :C

    Been on a completely unashamed symphonic metal kick the past week or so. Even the really sparkly cheesy stuff. Love it. Also here's a cover of Skyrim's The Dragonborn Comes from one of the aforementioned cheesy artists.

    Also discovered Skyborne Reveries - Australian one-man atmoblack project... which sounds like it should be terrible but it's actually pretty damn good.

    Quote Originally Posted by JoshL View Post
    So I put out a lathe-cut 7"! This is the first time I've released anything on vinyl, so I'm very excited. Don't sell enough to be able to afford a proper pressing, but found a guy who does reasonably priced lathes, so put together a little limited edition. You can hear it here:
    https://doorsinthelabyrinth.bandcamp...ris-two-ravens
    darkwave, not metal, but anyone who knows celtic folk at all will probably dig my version of Two Ravens (Twa' Corbies) on the b-side!
    Yeah that's pretty good. But I'm also a darkwave fanboy so that's no surprise. I still listen to your cover of Bela Lugosi's Dead fairly regularly
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    Yeah that's pretty good. But I'm also a darkwave fanboy so that's no surprise. I still listen to your cover of Bela Lugosi's Dead fairly regularly
    It is indeed an awesome cover!
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    I am listening to Auri. It's not metal, but it's Holopainen + that folk guy from E. Forms M. B. + Tuomas's wife, who also did some vocals in Sonata Arctica' Days of Grays. I think it is the best album that he has made since Imaginaerum (I didn't particularly get into Scrooge, and I didn't like EFMB).
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    I am listening to Auri. It's not metal, but it's Holopainen + that folk guy from E. Forms M. B. + Tuomas's wife, who also did some vocals in Sonata Arctica' Days of Grays. I think it is the best album that he has made since Imaginaerum (I didn't particularly get into Scrooge, and I didn't like EFMB).
    OOOOOOH!
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    OOOOOOH!
    Do you know about Kari Reuslatten? Another project Holopainen is involved in
    Thank you for telling me about her, I had never heard about her! She really has a beautiful voice. I have only checked out her more recent, non-metal stuff, but she used to be in a metal band, if I read correctly? I'll take a look at their work, too.
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    Thank you for telling me about her, I had never heard about her! She really has a beautiful voice. I have only checked out her more recent, non-metal stuff, but she used to be in a metal band, if I read correctly? I'll take a look at their work, too.
    Yeah she sang in formative symphonic metal band The Third and the Mortal, I was never too much of a fan tho
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    Any good suggestions for metal bands with a hint of prog? I listen to Symphony X, Savatage, Queensryche (well, sometimes). Dream Theatre haven't been of interest for a long time. So nothing where it's only technical
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    Do you listen to Opeth? You should be listening to Opeth. Though these days they're more a prog band with a hint of metal as opposed to the other way around (and I am okay with that). Speaking of, Porcupine Tree are pretty amazing for darker prog, but not really as hard, so I'm sure others will have some better suggestions.

    A friend turned me on to Chthe'ilist, as that their first album had some Legend of Zelda influence (I'm a big fan). Solid riffs, mixed bag solos, maybe a little too relentlessly growly for me to listen to much, but it was fun. However, in the liner notes they specify "no pitch shifting effects were used on the vocals". I can see that being a point of pride in death vocals and all, however, there were a TON of other effects used (which were cool, and some clever sounds too) including some pitch shifts on the delays. Why are you drawing this arbitrary line, and where are you drawing it? If you didn't mention it, I wouldn't have noticed, I'd have said, "hey, cool vocals, neat effects".

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    Any good suggestions for metal bands with a hint of prog? I listen to Symphony X, Savatage, Queensryche (well, sometimes). Dream Theatre haven't been of interest for a long time. So nothing where it's only technical
    Sonata Arctica's Unia album?
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    Any good suggestions for metal bands with a hint of prog? I listen to Symphony X, Savatage, Queensryche (well, sometimes). Dream Theatre haven't been of interest for a long time. So nothing where it's only technical
    If you like Savatage, I think you'll probably like Morgana Lefay. More on the thrashy side, but the singer is a dead ringer for Jon Oliva's voice, and Grand Materia is just a fantastic album in any case.

    I will also second Unia. They're at their best technically while still writing great songs.

    Other recommendations include Leprous, a Norwegian band with a very distinctive staccato sound;Haken, a British band that might be compared favorably to early Dream Theater; Soen, who released the best Tool album of 2012, 2014, and 2017; and Pain of Salvation, who combine an ever-evolving sound with highly proficient performances and intensely personal themes, to great effect.

    Or of course you could just pick any Ayreon album and look up all the singers on it, that ought to keep you busy
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    Some good suggestions here. However, I'm quite old, and actually know many of the bands suggested (I do hope I don't come of as a pretentious pr*ck). What I'm after is quite melodic stuff, where the prog is not in how many rhythm changes you can put in one song. I'm more of a Magnum than Dream Theatre guy
    Also, before anyone suggests Orphaned Land - know them, l

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    Do you listen to Opeth? You should be listening to Opeth. Though these days they're more a prog band with a hint of metal as opposed to the other way around (and I am okay with that).
    I started listening to them when they were still more a death metal band. I think I've seen them twice live around Ghost Reveries. They're good, but they're not quite what I'm looking for now. The same goes for Enslaved.

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    Speaking of, Porcupine Tree are pretty amazing for darker prog, but not really as hard, so I'm sure others will have some better suggestions.
    That's a good suggestion. To bad I've already listened through their stuff. Seen them live as well. They were quite cool. To bad they dissolved. The Steve Wilson stuff is not as interesting in my opinion.

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    Sonata Arctica's Unia album?
    I was disappointed when it came out, so I don't think that's the way to go for me

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    If you like Savatage, I think you'll probably like Morgana Lefay. More on the thrashy side, but the singer is a dead ringer for Jon Oliva's voice, and Grand Materia is just a fantastic album in any case.
    Thank you, that was a great suggestion. They lack the keys of Savatage, but they're definitively what I'm looking for

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    Other recommendations include Leprous, a Norwegian band with a very distinctive staccato sound;
    I know them, have followed them a but, but their prog is mostly in the rhythm, and I miss strong melodies

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    Haken[/url], a British band that might be compared favorably to early Dream Theater;
    Thank you, that was a great suggestion

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    Pain of Salvation, who combine an ever-evolving sound with highly proficient performances and intensely personal themes, to great effect.
    I tried them out, couldn't quite get into them

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    Or of course you could just pick any Ayreon album and look up all the singers on it, that ought to keep you busy
    Most of them aren't really prog singers, like you have blind guardians Hansi there. Ayreon is great trough. If anyone know of more bands like that, I'd like to hear about them (style, not having a lot of guests. Avantasia does nothing for me)
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    If you like Savatage, I think you'll probably like Morgana Lefay. More on the thrashy side, but the singer is a dead ringer for Jon Oliva's voice, and Grand Materia is just a fantastic album in any case.
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    Glad I could help some!

    Some suggestions that are a little more obscure;
    Ice Age
    Dali's Dilemma
    Children of Nova (The riff starting at :42 in this one is one of my personal all time favorites)
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    Most of them aren't really prog singers, like you have blind guardians Hansi there. Ayreon is great trough. If anyone know of more bands like that, I'd like to hear about them (style, not having a lot of guests. Avantasia does nothing for me)
    Perhaps Frameshift would be to your liking. I haven't listened to the album they did with James LaBrie, but this one they did with Sebastian Bach is an album that I come back to over and over.
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