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    Quote Originally Posted by Dire Moose View Post

    On the male side, I definitely don't want to lose what I have downstairs, and I still want everything there to function as it used to. I also don't want my desires in that area to lose their intensity.

    Not sure how possible any of that is or what that would indicate about me.
    HRT absolutely can mess all of that up for you. Permanently.

    I know gatekeeping causes a lot of harm but I think your situation in particular is what it's supposed to be for.

    I am almost certain that you will not be able to get everything you described exactly as you described it, but your doctor will know, and will be able to give you a better idea of what the trade-offs and side effects will be, and how permanent they will be (or how long they will take to reverse, and what else you'll lose if you try to reverse them).

    In the meantime, I would encourage you to go easier on yourself when it comes to "authenticity".
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    Honestly the effect on the downstairs varies a ton and is mostly reversible. (Fertility would be the issue I suppose it might not come back fully so I'd store material) Like I was still able to get erections and all that 3+ years into HRT. I've never used my bits the "traditional way" though so I wouldn't be able to tell you how that works out if you care about that though. (I'd check out r/asktransgender or such and ask around a bit there).
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    Is there a term that means something like "female assumed" or "male assumed"? Kind of like AFAB or AMAB, but talking about current external perception rather than birth assignment. It's coming up in discussions of gendered social expectations, where one salient point is how someone is perceived socially. So a "female assumed" person could be a cis woman, trans man, trans woman...you get the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WarKitty View Post
    Is there a term that means something like "female assumed" or "male assumed"? Kind of like AFAB or AMAB, but talking about current external perception rather than birth assignment. It's coming up in discussions of gendered social expectations, where one salient point is how someone is perceived socially. So a "female assumed" person could be a cis woman, trans man, trans woman...you get the idea.
    Female-presenting or male-presenting is the closest I can think of. It’s not always as clear as afab/amab, since those often refer to what was on your birth certificate on the other hand different people may make different assumptions about your gender at any given moment, whereas you usually just have one birth certificate.


    Also, some people may perceive me as seemingly female even if I am trying to present as male, or vice versa.

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    Dire Moose, it's not the same situation as yours, but maybe it could be helpful to look into the stories of people like Norrie May-Welby and other nonbinary people, see if they can offer any guidance or at least a feeling of camaraderie. Maybe see if any of these people have autobiographies? Not to go looking for someone with the exact same story as you, but to get an idea of how other people have dealt with at least vaguely similar issues.

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    Is there a term that means something like "female assumed" or "male assumed"? Kind of like AFAB or AMAB, but talking about current external perception rather than birth assignment.
    Try "Read as X".
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    So, several things happened this weekend. I'm not sure what to make of them.

    First, I went to my first therapy session on Saturday, where I was confronted with the idea that I may have to give up certain things I enjoyed as male if I want to move forward with expressing myself as female. I didn't respond very favorably to that, so we ended up agreeing that something unrelated to gender was involved.

    I watched Star Wars that evening, cosplaying as Rey. While I do like the character of Rey I still found myself wishing I could still identify with Luke, especially during a certain scene near the end which I'm not going to spoil.

    The next day, a sudden thought came to me: "What do you have to gain by being female?" The answer was "nothing, really." Maybe the fulfillment of a few fantasies and a broader perspective on life might be gained, but very little beyond that.

    So at that point, I lost most of my desire to be female. At the same time, I came down with a really horrible flu that has kept me feeling really bad and unable to work for the last few days.

    I'm really confused. Am I really just a guy with weird fantasies I had to try out? Am I genderfluid as I suggested earlier and this is a temporary switch back to male? And does this awful flu have anything to do with this?
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    The next day, a sudden thought came to me: "What do you have to gain by being female?" The answer was "nothing, really." Maybe the fulfillment of a few fantasies and a broader perspective on life might be gained, but very little beyond that.
    I come from a sexist upbringing. What do I have to gain by being female? Nothing tangible. Extra chores. Less pay. I get listened to less. I could be telling guys the building is on fire and they would talk over me and ignore me. I lost most of my upper body strength. It's a pain. Boobs get in the way because they wander into your way when you least expect. Clothes are expensive and lack pockets. Voice training is a pain. Makeup is spendy and tastes bad.

    I'm still female.

    It has nothing to do with a cost-benefit analysis.
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    I come from a sexist upbringing. What do I have to gain by being female? Nothing tangible. Extra chores. Less pay. I get listened to less. I could be telling guys the building is on fire and they would talk over me and ignore me. I lost most of my upper body strength. It's a pain. Boobs get in the way because they wander into your way when you least expect. Clothes are expensive and lack pockets. Voice training is a pain. Makeup is spendy and tastes bad.

    I'm still female.

    It has nothing to do with a cost-benefit analysis.
    You're answering Dire Moose's question pretty directly though -- because in DM's case the cost/benefit logic does apply as soon as they feel like it does, which they do.

    In your case the answer was obviously "you're female, so, go ahead and transition".

    In DM's case it's the opposite: if you find yourself weighing the pros and cons of each gender, then don't transition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dire Moose View Post
    So, several things happened this weekend. I'm not sure what to make of them.

    First, I went to my first therapy session on Saturday, where I was confronted with the idea that I may have to give up certain things I enjoyed as male if I want to move forward with expressing myself as female. I didn't respond very favorably to that, so we ended up agreeing that something unrelated to gender was involved.
    I'm happy to hear that you're seeing someone to work through your feelings on all of this. Too many people don't get the assistance they need. I hope it helps you!

    I'm really confused. Am I really just a guy with weird fantasies I had to try out? Am I genderfluid as I suggested earlier and this is a temporary switch back to male? And does this awful flu have anything to do with this?
    This isn't really something any of us can answer. Like JusticeZero did, we can only give you our stories, and let you maybe learn from them.

    If you want a label (it can help to come to terms with something if you know what to call it), you might want to go with a simple "non-binary". As a blanket term, it kind-of-includes genderfluid as well (I think) as well as a variety of other positions on the spectrum of gender.

    It may be that now that you've tried it and thought about it, you're just male. It may be that you're genderfluid, but being sick has reverted your mental state to the more familiar gender for comfort. It may just be that, as a genderfluid person, you will inevitably switch back and forth at times, and this time coincided with your flu. Or it may be that you're just somewhere on the non-binary scale, neither fully male nor female, and you just need to figure out where on that scale you lie.

    As a cis (or at least cis-adjacent) guy, all I can really offer is understanding, but I wish you the best in your therapy sessions and whatever progress you make on your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dire Moose View Post
    So, several things happened this weekend. I'm not sure what to make of them.

    First, I went to my first therapy session on Saturday, where I was confronted with the idea that I may have to give up certain things I enjoyed as male if I want to move forward with expressing myself as female. I didn't respond very favorably to that, so we ended up agreeing that something unrelated to gender was involved.

    I watched Star Wars that evening, cosplaying as Rey. While I do like the character of Rey I still found myself wishing I could still identify with Luke, especially during a certain scene near the end which I'm not going to spoil.

    The next day, a sudden thought came to me: "What do you have to gain by being female?" The answer was "nothing, really." Maybe the fulfillment of a few fantasies and a broader perspective on life might be gained, but very little beyond that.

    So at that point, I lost most of my desire to be female. At the same time, I came down with a really horrible flu that has kept me feeling really bad and unable to work for the last few days.

    I'm really confused. Am I really just a guy with weird fantasies I had to try out? Am I genderfluid as I suggested earlier and this is a temporary switch back to male? And does this awful flu have anything to do with this?
    My understanding is that if you're fluid, you should expect to bounce back and forth between the genders over time. Permanent changes (or things that take months to reverse) probably aren't the way to go, at least until your sense of gender stays on one side or the other for an extended period of time. If that happens, you can re-evaluate.

    In the meantime, keep seeing your therapist. SOMETHING is clearly still up.

    Maybe I'm reading into this too much, but it sounds like you don't like the idea of being "just" a guy with a fetish/gender-related fantasies or someone who is only a little genderfluid. If it turns out one of those descriptions is what best suits you, the "optimal" life adjustment for you is going to look very different than it will for someone who is highly genderfluid or transgender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lio45 View Post
    In your case the answer was obviously "you're female, so, go ahead and transition".
    In DM's case it's the opposite: if you find yourself weighing the pros and cons of each gender, then don't transition.
    Actually, my point is: That's the wrong question! Mu! "'Should I open the left door or the right door?' . o O ( They're both trapped but now I can't tell you to use the teleport circle! )
    Track your gender for awhile. You already SAID you were fluid, so by definition of the previous definition you would flip flop, so it will surprise nobody if you go male for now and diary your feelings so you can revisit the question later if you find yourself clawing at the walls wanting skirts and estrogen. Labels describe past behavior and can be changed.

    As I recall, I have had two talks with people who are gender fluid where they said that they would think they were being kind of silly when they thought back about their other mode times. I have a hard time understanding that mindset, but what you just described sounds.. a lot like one of their switches.

    Also: Just had to have a discussion about insurance garbage with HR. No resolution and now I am feeling kind of sort of hopeless and dysphoric-ish.
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    I have exhibitionist tendencies. I'm feeling quite conflicted about them at the moment. I've just spent the evening on a group video call with a bunch of friends, and (as such things occasionally happen), all the guys involved ended up topless. And I spent the evening wanting to follow suit. I'm not attracted to any of them, I just wanted to strip off my top and be sexy on camera. And I'm deeply conflicted about that urge. I've got the social conditioning that says Nice Girls Don't Do That, I've got the fact that I don't want any of them to get the wrong idea and think it means something it doesn't (even though I know they probably wouldn't, because most of them are kinksters of various flavours and understand such things), I've got the little voice telling me I wouldn't be able to look them in the eye after they've seen my boobs.

    I don't know how to fight the voice telling me that they'll all just think of me as "that slut who likes getting her tits out on camera". I don't know if I should fight it. It feels like a weird thing to want to do, and that I'm a bad person for wanting to do it.
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    I've just spent the evening on a group video call with a bunch of friends, and (as such things occasionally happen), all the guys involved ended up topless. And I spent the evening wanting to follow suit. I'm not attracted to any of them, I just wanted to strip off my top and be sexy on camera. And I'm deeply conflicted about that urge. I've got the social conditioning that says Nice Girls Don't Do That, I've got the fact that I don't want any of them to get the wrong idea and think it means something it doesn't (even though I know they probably wouldn't, because most of them are kinksters of various flavours and understand such things), I've got the little voice telling me I wouldn't be able to look them in the eye after they've seen my boobs.

    I don't know how to fight the voice telling me that they'll all just think of me as "that slut who likes getting her tits out on camera". I don't know if I should fight it. It feels like a weird thing to want to do, and that I'm a bad person for wanting to do it.
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    Doesn't seem weird at all to me. It seems like a completely reasonable thing to want to take off an annoying elastic top in a situation where it is the social norm for EVERYBODY ELSE to do the same thing.

    And it is completely understandable to be reluctant of doing that for the simple reason that men are, to me at least, terrifying, dangerous, horribly emotional, and pretty unpredictable. Disclaimer with 'not all' statements however makes you masculine types okay about that statement of course. It's just a few that are actually dangerous. Your mileage may vary and the perceptions of a trans girl from a sexist rural background who watched a lot of abusive men going about their business and targeting lots of people who were not her before she was out aren't exactly typical. But the fact of the matter is that it is common knowledge that taking one's top off in front of a bunch of men while being a boob-possessing person creates all sorts of opportunities for things to potentially go incredibly, horrifyingly bad unexpectedly.

    So wanting to take your top does NOT make you a bad person at all, and neither does deciding not to.
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    I have exhibitionist tendencies. I'm feeling quite conflicted about them at the moment. I've just spent the evening on a group video call with a bunch of friends, and (as such things occasionally happen), all the guys involved ended up topless. And I spent the evening wanting to follow suit. I'm not attracted to any of them, I just wanted to strip off my top and be sexy on camera. And I'm deeply conflicted about that urge. I've got the social conditioning that says Nice Girls Don't Do That, I've got the fact that I don't want any of them to get the wrong idea and think it means something it doesn't (even though I know they probably wouldn't, because most of them are kinksters of various flavours and understand such things), I've got the little voice telling me I wouldn't be able to look them in the eye after they've seen my boobs.

    I don't know how to fight the voice telling me that they'll all just think of me as "that slut who likes getting her tits out on camera". I don't know if I should fight it. It feels like a weird thing to want to do, and that I'm a bad person for wanting to do it.
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    I sometimes have the same urge both on the wanting to wander around topless and on the wanting to look sexy angle. It's part of why some of my cosplay outfits are much lower cut than is strictly needed. Being desired and knowing that can be freaking hot. So yeah nothing too weird there.

    As for how you decide to deal with the urge that's up to you. I do exhibitionism in carefully controlled circumstances where no one knows my real name and where I have backup in case anything does go wrong. But that's just me. I won't judge you whatever you do.

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    I have exhibitionist tendencies. I'm feeling quite conflicted about them at the moment. I've just spent the evening on a group video call with a bunch of friends, and (as such things occasionally happen), all the guys involved ended up topless. And I spent the evening wanting to follow suit. I'm not attracted to any of them, I just wanted to strip off my top and be sexy on camera. And I'm deeply conflicted about that urge. I've got the social conditioning that says Nice Girls Don't Do That, I've got the fact that I don't want any of them to get the wrong idea and think it means something it doesn't (even though I know they probably wouldn't, because most of them are kinksters of various flavours and understand such things), I've got the little voice telling me I wouldn't be able to look them in the eye after they've seen my boobs.

    I don't know how to fight the voice telling me that they'll all just think of me as "that slut who likes getting her tits out on camera". I don't know if I should fight it. It feels like a weird thing to want to do, and that I'm a bad person for wanting to do it.
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    I have the urge to go around topless because who decided that modesty requires me to have an annoying, over-expensive padded sweaty thing stuck on my chest anyway? Plus bra sizing in cheap stores is actually extremely restrictive compared to the size variation in women.

    Sadly, with the internet, all it takes is one person to take a picture, and it's online forever.
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    I have exhibitionist tendencies. I'm feeling quite conflicted about them at the moment. I've just spent the evening on a group video call with a bunch of friends, and (as such things occasionally happen), all the guys involved ended up topless. And I spent the evening wanting to follow suit. I'm not attracted to any of them, I just wanted to strip off my top and be sexy on camera. And I'm deeply conflicted about that urge. I've got the social conditioning that says Nice Girls Don't Do That, I've got the fact that I don't want any of them to get the wrong idea and think it means something it doesn't (even though I know they probably wouldn't, because most of them are kinksters of various flavours and understand such things), I've got the little voice telling me I wouldn't be able to look them in the eye after they've seen my boobs.

    I don't know how to fight the voice telling me that they'll all just think of me as "that slut who likes getting her tits out on camera". I don't know if I should fight it. It feels like a weird thing to want to do, and that I'm a bad person for wanting to do it.
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    Yep, totally makes sense. The programming of society is complete. To avoid discomfort to others, we are all programmed to never deviate from the norm, this programming goes extremely deeply and has an important purpose.

    So, here is my advice, realize the very fact that you had the backlash against your deviant behavior means you understand the social programming, and by understanding something you can overcome it.

    Shorter advice: Let out a loud WOO! like a roller coaster, and rip that top off like a band aid next time.


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    Well, that definitely didn't last. I'm back to being a boygirl again, and I'm glad to be there. The more I experience things, the more I'm persuaded that "both" is where I best fit.

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    Also, I'm staying on this low-dose "halfway" version of HRT for now as it's working for me so far. The point is basically to achieve a "perfectly neutral" appearance by default. Biggest thing I'm noticing lately are that my breasts have developed little buds inside that are rock-hard and ache a lot.

    To go along with what Heliomance said.... yes, a part of me is going to miss being able to go topless in public as well, and it's silly that we're so hung up on certain taboos. I personally enjoy casual home nudity myself and would gladly do so in more of a social context if people were more open-minded. Although seeing a half-boy, half-girl in that state would probably raise more than just a few eyebrows in most places...
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    So . . . not to hijack the thread from what the most excellent Dire Moose and Heliomance have been talking about, but I could use a quick tip or two.

    I really wanna come out (as bi) to my family early in this coming year, but I'm rather apprehensive of their reaction. I can predict a lot of "are you sure?" which is why I've waited a while (I want to be able to say that yes, I'm sure, I gave myself a lot of time to figure it out and observe how I felt). The thing is, I've only ever dated guys - I know that doesn't make me straight, but it makes me look straight, if you know what I mean.

    I could use some advice on how to present it so I'm taken seriously.

    I'm also a little worried about how to deal with any fallout. I know my Nana (paternal grandmother) is fairly conservative. My Grandma (maternal grandmother) believes in rights for homosexual and trans people, but I'm not sure she sees bisexuality as a legitimate thing. Grandpa does not discuss his political leanings. My mom and dad would probably accept me after the initial "are you sure," but they're not the people I spend all day every day with. My grandparents are.

    And then, of course, Grandma will out anybody to anyone (literally as the new minister is shaking hands with people after her first service at our church: "I think she's a lesbian!"). I can expect everyone in my congregation to know as soon as someone mentions LGBTAI+ stuff and, while I do want to be totally out eventually, I'd rather have a bit more control over the process.

    TL;DR: standard teenage worries over coming out to my family. How do I:

    1. be believed?

    2. deal with possible negative reactions?

    3. keep it from becoming the latest bit of coffee table conversation before I'm ready for that?

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    1. be believed?
    Don't use the term "bisexual" until you have explained your experience in full. Just like one should never say "I am transgender" until after hammering people with a long description of their gender dysphoria.
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    2. deal with possible negative reactions?
    Have a place to sleep figured out and be ready to leave forever in five minutes from telling them. Make sure they can't drain your bank account immediately. Have personal paperwork and ID ready to go. Bring a friend with a vehicle.
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    3. keep it from becoming the latest bit of coffee table conversation before I'm ready for that?
    No idea. I find that people are very apathetic really. I don't come out to people often because it just doesn't come up, and it isn't going to be any easier for others to work you into their conversations.
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    Don't use the term "bisexual" until you have explained your experience in full. Just like one should never say "I am transgender" until after hammering people with a long description of their gender dysphoria.
    Okay, that sounds good, thank you. "I've been having crushes on other girls," then "I still like guys," then "After a fair amount of thought, I've figured out that I'm bisexual"?

    Have a place to sleep figured out and be ready to leave forever in five minutes from telling them. Make sure they can't drain your bank account immediately. Have personal paperwork and ID ready to go. Bring a friend with a vehicle.
    Ye merciful heavens, did I accidentally present this as worse than it is? I'm quite sorry if I got you unnecessarily worried! To clarify: I sleep at my parents' house anyway, and I'm worried about generally unpleasant dynamics (nasty lectures, invasive questions and the like), not being thrown out. That's really not how we do things.

    No idea. I find that people are very apathetic really. I don't come out to people often because it just doesn't come up, and it isn't going to be any easier for others to work you into their conversations.
    I shall hope you're right, though this is a lady who for some reason seems to really like pointing out which people are LGBTAI+. Thank you again!

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    You're also not actually obligated to come out to people who aren't going to handle it respectfully.
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    You're also not actually obligated to come out to people who aren't going to handle it respectfully.
    Oh I know that, and I thought about it, but at the end of the day I would like my family to know this about me and accept it. If that's a bit of an adjustment for them, all the more reason to do it soon and properly.

    I have a lot of faith in my parents - it might take a little while but they'll be fine - and my grandparents shouldn't be too impossible (if, again, they're approached properly). I was just hoping for some tips on how to do that proper . . . idk, procedure. If there really is one. Playing it by ear is scarier but possible.

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    One thing I'd suggest is staggering coming out. Tell the people you trust most to accept you and not to gossip first and make sure they're on your side and understand the situation. Then later move on to the ones that are more touchy.

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    Alternately, just tell it to the most gossipy person and let everyone else find out. That way you don't have to come out to them directly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Recherché View Post
    One thing I'd suggest is staggering coming out. Tell the people you trust most to accept you and not to gossip first and make sure they're on your side and understand the situation. Then later move on to the ones that are more touchy.
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    Alternately, just tell it to the most gossipy person and let everyone else find out. That way you don't have to come out to them directly!
    Heh. Maybe a mix of both XD

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    Talk to people one at a time, have your facts straight, present it as fact, do not be even the slightest bit altered, don't present unusually when you have the talk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeZero View Post
    Talk to people one at a time, have your facts straight, present it as fact, do not be even the slightest bit altered, don't present unusually when you have the talk.
    Sounds very solid. Can you tell me a little more of what you mean by presenting unusually?

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    Just popping here to keep in touch of fellow LGBTAI+ forum member
    Seems like Stickverse is at same time defying and validating Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus propositions 1. and 1.1. Also, it weirdly confirms proposition 6.44...

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    Most obviously, if you are AMAB, don't show up in a dress. Don't show up dressed for a Pride parade. Don't change your appearance before the meeting drastically from what they are used to.
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