OOTS #1099 - The Discussion Thread

[Svata]

I mean, Blur/Displacement remain useful buffs throughout the campaign.

[danielxcutter]

I mean, Blur/Displacement remain useful buffs throughout the campaign.

I guess? I dunno...

[Svata]

Miss chances are good. No matter the attack bonus they have a flat chance to just not hit you. (yes, true seeing gets around it, but it really, really helps vs martials still)

[danielxcutter]

Miss chances are good. No matter the attack bonus they have a flat chance to just not hit you. (yes, true seeing gets around it, but it really, really helps vs martials still)

I see. Got it.

[Clistenes]

Minrah's cute. I hope she survives and then she and Durkon hit it off.

Hey, he's only 50 or so.

I hope she joins the team, but I don't think she will hit it off with Durkon. Not until she gets more life experience... right now she's like a newborn baby when compared to him...

Poor Blackwing.



Your day will come!

Don't worry, V will cast PaO when (s)he reaches level 17, and he will become a Thunderbird or Battletitan Dinosaur or an Great Wyrm...

[alwaysbebatman]

Comparing Polymorph with Polymorph Any Object, I don't see why Vaarsuvius couldn't transform Blackwing into a more formidable creature for the duration of combat with just Polymorph...

[Keltest]

Comparing Polymorph with Polymorph Any Object, I don't see why Vaarsuvius couldn't transform Blackwing into a more formidable creature for the duration of combat with just Polymorph...

He could, conceivably. Doing so is somewhat risky, because it turns Blackwing from a largely unimportant class feature into a threat that enemies need to take down. If Blackwing dies, V suffers some rather painful consequences.

[alwaysbebatman]

Well, yeah. Point being: Polymorph Any Object wouldn't change that situation appreciably, so likely it is a tactical reason not to choose that tactic, not the fact that the elf doesn't have a more powerful version of the spell...

[The MunchKING]

Comparing Polymorph with Polymorph Any Object, I don't see why Vaarsuvius couldn't transform Blackwing into a more formidable creature for the duration of combat with just Polymorph...

The problem is, as a Familiar his Hit Points are set to 1/2 V's, no matter how big or tough a creature he turns into. AND A Wizard's BAB, and saves which makes him a lot less useful in a melee monster build then those actual monsters would be.

[8BitNinja]

Would you know that if you're playing D&D? Previously, we've only seen the swirly eyes when everyone knew they were being dominated, so couldn't it just be that we don't see that Minrah is being dominated?

If the DM said that a character had swirly eyes.

[georgie_leech]

He could, conceivably. Doing so is somewhat risky, because it turns Blackwing from a largely unimportant class feature into a threat that enemies need to take down. If Blackwing dies, V suffers some rather painful consequences.

Well, that and Blackwing is a character that team knows and likes, and they generally don't want those getting dead

[Keltest]

Well, that and Blackwing is a character that team knows and likes, and they generally don't want those getting dead

True, but that's the case for everyone in the Order except Belkar, and that's hardly stopped them from allowing each other to fight.

[Svata]

Sure. But all of them have at least double the HP of Blackwing (Who has half the HP of the ELVEN wizard. The one with the penalty to constitution. Because Elf.)

[danielxcutter]

Sure. But all of them have at least double the HP of Blackwing (Who has half the HP of the ELVEN wizard. The one with the penalty to constitution. Because Elf.)

Plus they're all better at fighting than him. Even Mr. Scruffy is probably better than him.

[Kardwill]

The Vampire were standing out of the gates that leads into the city the Order came through the gates that leads to the slopes of the mountain.

Well, if you don't mind the absence of swirliness, she could have ben dominated during the initial attack, before the gates were closed. But then, they would have used her to open the gates and slaughter everyone inside, instead of wasting spells on the door. So no, she probably isn't dominated.

[Goblin_Priest]

If the DM said that a character had swirly eyes.

That, and a rather low check to notice the character is dominated, if I remember correctly.

[Riftwolf]

That, and a rather low check to notice the character is dominated, if I remember correctly.

The last kobold in the Linear Guild (I forget his name) is a good example of dominated, even without the swirly eyes you can tell he's under a spell (few facial expressions, stilted movement, doesn't speak unless commanded). Charm is harder to detect, if I recall the rules, as the victim still has free will (if skewed).

[zimmerwald1915]

That, and a rather low check to notice the character is dominated, if I remember correctly.

DC 15 Sense Motive in 3.5. Down from DC 25 for enchantments generally.

[Clistenes]

Sure. But all of them have at least double the HP of Blackwing (Who has half the HP of the ELVEN wizard. The one with the penalty to constitution. Because Elf.)

Come on, at least let poor Blackwing eat a few low-level mooks, just for fun!

[Ruck]

The last kobold in the Linear Guild (I forget his name) is a good example of dominated, even without the swirly eyes you can tell he's under a spell (few facial expressions, stilted movement, doesn't speak unless commanded). Charm is harder to detect, if I recall the rules, as the victim still has free will (if skewed).

I think we've seen a successful charm spell cause the target's eyes change color to the dweomer of the caster. (See Nale and Elan in strip 390-whatever.)

[alwaysbebatman]

I looked that up out of curiosity.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0393.html

Actually, that was Suggestion, not Charm Person. But I wouldn't be surprised if Charm used the same visual, since they are both spells that change the castee's perspective on something without blatantly making them a puppet.

[Jasdoif]

I looked that up out of curiosity.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0393.html

Actually, that was Suggestion, not Charm Person. But I wouldn't be surprised if Charm used the same visual, since they are both spells that change the castee's perspective on something without blatantly making them a puppet.

Turns out, charm person is swirly eyes.

[Hamste]

Turns out, charm person is swirly eyes.

Suggestion also is sometimes (V used it on the dragon in 183 and it got swirly eyes).

[alwaysbebatman]

Hmmm. No consistency!!

Actually, I think I can No-Prize this:

Maybe if the enchantment is one that is possible to cast surreptitiously (unlike Domination) and the caster is trying to fool others that the castee is not acting under an enchantment, (Nale was trying to trick Haley with Elan's behavior, but did not care that Belkar's allies would know that he wasn't behaving normally,) THAT'S when the more subtle color-change eye effect comes into play.

Maybe? Sure, why not?

[Jasdoif]

Maybe if the enchantment is one that is possible to cast surreptitiously (unlike Domination) and the caster is trying to fool others that the castee is not acting under an enchantment, (Nale was trying to trick Haley with Elan's behavior, but did not care that Belkar's allies would know that he wasn't behaving normally,) THAT'S when the more subtle color-change eye effect comes into play.

Maybe? Sure, why not?

I'm going to guess 393 lacks the comedic swirly eyes because that would have interfered with the scene's deliberate raising of tension.

[alwaysbebatman]

That's what I said! Except, y'know, simpler and clearer.