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2017-09-20, 10:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Major Creation Question
So my group, had been using a Malik - Noble Efreeti Ice Assassin to get some free wish SLA's from and then realized a noble djinn has the same wish SLA AND a Major Creation SLA.
Can you use that Major Creation SLA to create a scroll of Major Creation OR can the SLA be used to make say a full grown oak?
There is a side need to expand the Neverwinter Woods and they were thinking about improving the efficiency of their process somehow. Otherwise another thought was that they use the wish SLA to create Feather Token Oak or Fey Cherry trees and then just plant them.
Also, I assume the act of Sim'in a good aligned creature isn't a bad thing if approved of the process?
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2017-09-20, 10:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major Creation Question
major creation can't create magic items
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2017-09-21, 08:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major Creation Question
If the scroll is a no what about a full grown tree?
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2017-09-21, 08:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Major creation can make vegetable matter with a duration of 2 hours per level. 1 cubic foot per caster level as per minor creation.
Ordinary Trees, are living,lack wisdom and charisma scores, and thus are objects, and eligible for creation.and ineligible for creation which only creates non living vegetable matter. You can make dead trees though.
Good luck with your temporary creepy dead but full grown forest, hope a good story results!Last edited by mattie_p; 2017-09-21 at 08:17 AM.
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2017-09-22, 08:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major Creation Question
But if you look up some of the various write ups on Major Creation from a Djinn, they notate vegetable matter is permanent. Not sure where that comes from but...
With that said, surely an oak tree, is an option no?
I am thinking the wish SLA to make feather tokens would be an easier all around solution to expanding a forest.
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2017-09-22, 09:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major Creation Question
Why not simply wish for the forest to be expanded?
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2017-09-22, 10:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Shows what I get for not rereading djinni. Major creation of vegetable matter is permanent, yes, but you still need to reference minor creation, which specifies unliving veggies
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2017-09-22, 02:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-09-22, 02:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-09-22, 07:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major Creation Question
So this works, major creation (created vegetable matter is permanent)?
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2017-09-22, 07:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-09-22, 07:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Again, the created trees must be unliving as well, dead creepy corpse trees only.
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2017-09-22, 08:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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They don't have to be creepy. They could be art objects, like trees carved from large blocks of wood. Heck, mushrooms aren't even allowed.
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2017-09-22, 10:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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I take "non-living" as in not shambling mounds or whatever, not a living breathing sentient thing. Technically, salad isn't alive once you cut it off...
And yes, I mean to have the Djinn cast the major Creation as his SLA...Last edited by kalos72; 2017-09-22 at 10:07 PM.
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2017-09-23, 04:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Actually the RAW is very clear on this.
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2017-09-23, 07:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major Creation Question
Umm... unless you replied to the wrong person, Major Creation says:
Originally Posted by SRD
Minor Creation does specified that vegetable matter must be nonliving:
Originally Posted by SRDOf course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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2017-09-23, 10:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-09-23, 11:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major Creation Question
So a tree, even though living to some degree, is still an object. Major Creation can make object of vegetable matter. A Noble Djinn casting Major Creation can make a permanent tree then... of between 7-21 cubic feet of matter based on the size of the Noble Djinn.
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2017-09-23, 11:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Except that Jack_Smith reposted the pertinent rules where minor creation mandates the vegetable matter must be unliving. You may use this ability to make an unliving tree, whatever that means. It would mean, at a minimum, it would no longer grow and reproduce. Would it be green? Maybe. A branch cut from a tree stays green until it wilts and browns. Some cuttings can grow anew (although if created this way, would not).
I like the idea of green static and slowly rotting trees, thus my fascination with calling it creepy, but if you don't want creepy trees then refluff it otherwise. But they won't be alive.Blank 3.5 Character Creator Iron Chef Style Tables (in Google Sheets)
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2017-09-23, 02:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry but what sense does that make, Major Creation a 5th level spell that creates only dead plants? Not sappron or tomatoes or wheat, unless its brown and dead...
The question is what is considered living versus non-living. Technically we could extend that to alive and undead, cause technically undead aren't...alive? And what would be the point of saying its permanent if its not real plant/vegetable material? Why do you need permanent dead flowers?
That just doesnt make sense to interpret, and that is an interpretation, dead versus non-living that way imho.
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2017-09-23, 03:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Doesn't really have to make sense does it. It's magic. It's the RAW.
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2017-09-23, 03:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thats an interpretation of RAW, imho, that doesnt make sense.
Living as in a living breathing creature and living as in a daisy are NOT the same thing. Unliving is not the same as dead, or else it would say dead.
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2017-09-24, 12:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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2017-09-24, 03:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-09-25, 08:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-09-25, 04:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-09-28, 08:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major Creation Question
I'm not sure how people feel about the devices from ravenloft, but since those arent actually magic items couldn't you use major creation to make them?
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2017-09-28, 09:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major Creation Question
I know the thread has died down a bit, but the undead argument fails because creatures are not considered objects, and Creation explicitly creates an object.
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