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    His Conquerer's trilogy I remember liking too.
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    I really loved how that whole thing was a massive misunderstanding, and that the Zhirrzh's entire empire is built off that misunderstanding. I also loved how both factions are terrified of the other's technology without realizing how afraid the other race is.


    Sapphire Guard, in really hoping when you finish the series you'll do the Thrawn Duology. I think it's vastly better than the trilogy, and I'd love to hear your take on it.
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    The duology is probably my favorite set from the EU. I still get the feels when I read a certain moment.

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    If nothing else, that duology spends some of its time agreeing with SG's criticisms of this trilogy, although that may mainly be in the back half of it.

    Really though, glad you're enjoying it. I think it's nonspoilers now that this trilogy doesn't really contain one singular "superweapon" as is standard for Star Wars. Instead what it has is disparate pieces and tools, and the fun is guessing how Thrawn is going to combine them. Delta Source, the New Republic's structural problems, cloaking devices, C'Baoth, the Noghri, the Katana fleet, and now clones (which they'll explain the details of in the next book, don't worry). It's an endless combinatorial explosion of wacky strategies.
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    Sapphire Guard, in really hoping when you finish the series you'll do the Thrawn Duology. I think it's vastly better than the trilogy, and I'd love to hear your take on it.
    Hmm... maybe. My impression by vague reputation was that this was Thrawn at his best, and afterwards he deteriorated. I will most likely pick up Outbound Flight as it's actually in my local library. After that, we'll see what my mindset is.

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    Sadly, Outbound Flight is very nticably a retcon novel.
    Its not horible, but much much worse than both trilogy and Doulogy. The only "Good" Part in my opinion is ... spoilery. ;)
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    By the time of the Thrawn Duology, Thrawn isn't the leader that he used to be and has a lot of limitations.
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    (and the issues with that are significant for both books). I don't think that spoils too much either now or then.

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    By the time of the Thrawn Duology, Thrawn isn't the leader that he used to be and has a lot of limitations.
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    (and the issues with that are significant for both books). I don't think that spoils too much either now or then.
    Without spoiling anything, I wholly disagree.

    For reals, Sapphire Guard, this and Jayem"s post aren't spoiling anything. I can say this with a good amount of confidence, knowing full well what has been said about spoilers in this thread, but I can't go into detail.
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    I think let's just let SG finish the trilogy so we can discuss things more openly before arguing for the duology as a rec.
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    Hmm... maybe. My impression by vague reputation was that this was Thrawn at his best, and afterwards he deteriorated. I will most likely pick up Outbound Flight as it's actually in my local library. After that, we'll see what my mindset is.
    Outbound Flight has a sequel, Survivor's Quest, that is worth a read. It finishes up a plot-line or two introduced in places.

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    Sadly, Outbound Flight is very nticably a retcon novel.
    Its not horible, but much much worse than both trilogy and Doulogy. The only "Good" Part in my opinion is ... spoilery. ;)
    Since the Thrawn Trilogy was written before any prequels, Zahn would have needed to make some retcons, especially since the prequels effectively wrecked nearly everything that had come out prior to Episode 1. Each prequel ended up adding more and more required retcons. Lucas didn't have any of the prequel story worked out really, so that was a bit natural, but Zahn's clone wars ideas sound more interesting than what Lucas gave us.
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    It's also worth mentioning that the Thrawn duology is a prerequisite for Outbound Flight/Survivor's Quest. Also, Survivor's Quest precedes Outbound Flight despite taking place later in the timeline.

    Specifically, these two novels spoil.
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    Are we eventually getting a read through of The Last Command? :-D

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    I haven't forgotten. But I recently found out how badly Amazon treats its workers, so I'm looking into finding the book somewhere else. I will probably cave if it takes too much effort somewhere else.

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    It should be rather easy to jsut go to a well sorted book store in your area and order it there, no?

    I do that with all of my books (same reason for avoiding amazon), and even the fact that I want most of them in English (which is not the lingua Franca of my country) never delays them more than a few days.
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    I haven't forgotten. But I recently found out how badly Amazon treats its workers, so I'm looking into finding the book somewhere else. I will probably cave if it takes too much effort somewhere else.
    AddAll.com turns up quite a few results for ISBN: 0553-56492-7. As of right now, the cheapest two on their list are not from Amazon.

    Also, if you buy used books from Amazon, most of the time you're supporting someone's local book store that uses Amazon as their digital storefront. If that book isn't fulfilled by Amazon, then you also aren't supporting Amazon's treatment of their warehouse workers.
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    I used to work for one of those places. That particular one (which goes by a great many names, so is almost impossible to avoid) made an Amazon warehouse look like a workers paradise, and nearly killed me. I am not speaking figuratively.

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    I haven't forgotten. But I recently found out how badly Amazon treats its workers, so I'm looking into finding the book somewhere else. I will probably cave if it takes too much effort somewhere else.
    I'd think most libraries would either have it or be able to request it for an inter-library loan.
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