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    Quote Originally Posted by AMFV View Post
    Well if you aren't really close already you probably aren't going to hit that on 1800-2000 calories on a cut. I mean it's possible but not very likely. You would probably have to periodize somewhat to get that sort of thing. Also for martial arts stuff that's probably some wasted effort on your part. Since most of that is probably more than what you need for most martial arts stuff and getting to some of that is going to require effort and training that is counterproductive for martial arts stuff. I mean if lifting is your goal those are very good beginner steps, but if martial arts is your goal, you may be overreaching depending on your natural lifting talent and what-not.



    Well weight can be a good or bad metric, depending on your goals, if you're aiming to compete in your martial art of choice then you need to start looking at how competitive particular weight classes are and how tall you have to be in those classes to be successful. Also most fighters are very cut, so like if 185 would be where you'd be at to be a good looking dude, and you were a fighter you'd probably weigh in at 160 (at most).

    So pretty much everything here is goal dependent. I would say though that trying to lift heavy at a deficit like that is going to not give good results from the lifting and what-not. I mean you could maintain what you already have, maybe gain a little bit from CNS adaptation and improved form work, but there's no miracles there really.
    I said martial arts as a catch all. I plan on getting into krav-maga, mma, and defendu. In that order. I've had a rough life, and coupled with my natural paranoia I want to be in peak physical shape so that if the **** hits the fan I can protect myself and loved ones.

    That being said, I'll keep everything you've said in mind if/when I run into the problems you're predicting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sivarias View Post
    I said martial arts as a catch all. I plan on getting into krav-maga, mma, and defendu. In that order. I've had a rough life, and coupled with my natural paranoia I want to be in peak physical shape so that if the **** hits the fan I can protect myself and loved ones.

    That being said, I'll keep everything you've said in mind if/when I run into the problems you're predicting.
    That sounds like you're probably looking for something like "Enter the Kettlebell" or "Tactical Barbell" as opposed to a more conventional lifting program which probably won't be well suited to "when **** hits the fan" type situations, unless there are a very few specific when **** hit's the fan's that you're expecting.

    Honestly if you're talking practical fitness applications you run into a wall much sooner than if you're talking martial arts fighting, since practical fights tend to be much fastier and much dirtier and therefore conditioning is often less important than other factors like ruthlessness and training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AMFV View Post
    That sounds like you're probably looking for something like "Enter the Kettlebell" or "Tactical Barbell" as opposed to a more conventional lifting program which probably won't be well suited to "when **** hits the fan" type situations, unless there are a very few specific when **** hit's the fan's that you're expecting.

    Honestly if you're talking practical fitness applications you run into a wall much sooner than if you're talking martial arts fighting, since practical fights tend to be much fastier and much dirtier and therefore conditioning is often less important than other factors like ruthlessness and training.
    I agree, but right now I get winded going up a long flight of stairs. That's why I want to get to my baseline for "lifting heavy" before I get into krav-maga and mma, because I'd rather only be conditioning my muscle memory and my insticts, rather than trying to train my fitness as well.

    I want a stamina and power foundation to build on. Right now my fat is in the way more than anything else, so I need to cut. What's I'm in range of 200lbs I'll focus more on lifting rather than cutting. Once I have some power from my noob gainz, I'll start looking into local martial arts studios that cater to what I want. I'd love to fine a high level marine certified combatant that's willing to teach me military combat techniques, but I might as well be wishing for flying pigs there.
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    Went and did "an hour" of backstroke tonight. Who knew not doing something for five years would make you bad at it?

    I also made the mistake of buying a waterproof cellphone bag and waterproof bluetooth headphones, not knowing that the connection would cut out the instant the cellphone was underwater.
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    Rear delts watch you while you do push ups.

    Really, I think that they must be the least known posture muscles. It's also difficult to think of calisthenics for them.

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    Keep up the good work!
    I like cardio exercises that have a Martial Arts theme, so stuff like Tae-Bo or Body combat.
    Easier on the joints and badck than training with resistance (punching bags).
    You can find stuff on youtube and do that at home. Otherwise find a gym where they stuff like that and join the fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinyadan View Post
    Rear delts watch you while you do push ups.

    Really, I think that they must be the least known posture muscles. It's also difficult to think of calisthenics for them.
    Pull-ups and chin-ups would be the ones you want. Some variety of dips also work for that.

    Edit: And inverted rows I can't believe I forgot those.
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    I am prettu sure I am eating too much or working out less then I think. According to online calculators I should still be on target for 5lbs a month if I keep below 3000 calories a day, so the stall means I am eating closer to 3500 somehow or I am not burning as much as I think.

    My TDEE is supposedly 3700.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvtyrant View Post
    I am prettu sure I am eating too much or working out less then I think. According to online calculators I should still be on target for 5lbs a month if I keep below 3000 calories a day, so the stall means I am eating closer to 3500 somehow or I am not burning as much as I think.

    My TDEE is supposedly 3700.
    Check how your cooking things. Oil or butter in the pan can mess that up. It's what happened to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sivarias View Post
    Check how your cooking things. Oil or butter in the pan can mess that up. It's what happened to me.
    Oh good point. I had a fight this morning over buttering the pan or not, because they didn't want to wash stuck eggs and I did not want butter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvtyrant View Post
    Oh good point. I had a fight this morning over buttering the pan or not, because they didn't want to wash stuck eggs and I did not want butter.
    The 0 butter spray? It's <5 calories per half second burst, that's the measurement.

    2 tbsp of oil in the pan is ~180 cal give or take ~20 calories based on the oil.

    It adds up quick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvtyrant View Post
    I am prettu sure I am eating too much or working out less then I think. According to online calculators I should still be on target for 5lbs a month if I keep below 3000 calories a day, so the stall means I am eating closer to 3500 somehow or I am not burning as much as I think.

    My TDEE is supposedly 3700.
    It's probably not butter in the pan that's making a significant difference here, honestly. I mean you might just need to be more aggressive with your caloric stuff, like your calculator might not be right, if it doesn't taken into account body fat it almost certainly isn't, and if it does, if you don't have a very accurate measurement then you're off. And if there is something it isn't taking into account, like how active you are in the day even how fidgety you are. All kinds of things. Basically if you are losing weight and lbs, then you're probably close, if that slows down then maybe you need to adjust the numbers. Like try a week at 3200 or 3000, that definitely won't kill you.

    If you were I, and I was trying something I'd drop to like 2,800, even, although that's a pretty drastic drop so that will make it much harder as far as willpower goes. Basically until you're in the 800-900 range you aren't going to be seeing signs of severe malnutrition, and if you're carefully watching your supps you can definitely cut a lot more aggressively than 3,500 calories. Like I'm a serious lifter and when I was doing bodybuilding I cut more aggressively than that, and I'm not a small dude. So you're probably fine.

    The best advice I can give is to pay attention to the scale, and don't use exercise in your calculations. Like if your TDEE is 3700, take that without any of the added exercise stuff, and any exercise will be a bonus, unless you really have to improve lifting performance eating slightly under won't kill you, worst case is that you'll lose a little muscle and that's really easy to get back.
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    So the big issue is that I thought I was eating 3000 calories a day, and my weight loss for the last month reveals I am closer to 3500. Cutting down further is rough but I will do it, just shocked to realize how wrong my food scale calculations are.
    Now if everyone could please "Sig" something along the lines of "Gosh 2D8HP, you are so very correct (and also good looking)", I think that would be good progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvtyrant View Post
    So the big issue is that I thought I was eating 3000 calories a day, and my weight loss for the last month reveals I am closer to 3500. Cutting down further is rough but I will do it, just shocked to realize how wrong my food scale calculations are.
    As long as you're about the same wrong, you'll be okay. So if you're underestimating by 15% and that's consistent then you can play with it a lot more. The key is that you should trust the scale a lot more than your actual measurements, and also your activity might vary by a few hundred calories a day, like if you walk a mile more or a mile less some days (possible with just general movement) that can swing it like a hundred calories, and then after that you add other activity variations and you can get a 500 calorie swing pretty easily day-to-day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AMFV View Post
    As long as you're about the same wrong, you'll be okay. So if you're underestimating by 15% and that's consistent then you can play with it a lot more. The key is that you should trust the scale a lot more than your actual measurements, and also your activity might vary by a few hundred calories a day, like if you walk a mile more or a mile less some days (possible with just general movement) that can swing it like a hundred calories, and then after that you add other activity variations and you can get a 500 calorie swing pretty easily day-to-day.
    Good point. It is also difficult because I drink about 2 gallons of water a day (diabetes and keto are very water consumptive) and so my weight fluctuates wildly, which is why it took so long for me to be sure.
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    Now if everyone could please "Sig" something along the lines of "Gosh 2D8HP, you are so very correct (and also good looking)", I think that would be good progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvtyrant View Post
    Good point. It is also difficult because I drink about 2 gallons of water a day (diabetes and keto are very water consumptive) and so my weight fluctuates wildly, which is why it took so long for me to be sure.
    Hmmm you could be holding water, so depending on what you're eating that can affect water retention quite a bit. Which can make it very hard to figure out weight gain and loss. I would just cut more aggressively until you're on a pace to lose 1-2 lbs a week consistently. Also make sure that you're weighing yourself at a consistent time and after eating consistently (you probably already know this bit but it can make a huge difference), especially if holding water is an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AMFV View Post
    Hmmm you could be holding water, so depending on what you're eating that can affect water retention quite a bit. Which can make it very hard to figure out weight gain and loss. I would just cut more aggressively until you're on a pace to lose 1-2 lbs a week consistently. Also make sure that you're weighing yourself at a consistent time and after eating consistently (you probably already know this bit but it can make a huge difference), especially if holding water is an issue.
    I usually weigh myself after getting up in the morning, and at the gym before workouts. Making a weight journal has proved I weigh 3-5 pounds more by night as in the morning, and vary 2-3 pounds from night to night with less variation from morning to morning.
    Now if everyone could please "Sig" something along the lines of "Gosh 2D8HP, you are so very correct (and also good looking)", I think that would be good progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvtyrant View Post
    I usually weigh myself after getting up in the morning, and at the gym before workouts. Making a weight journal has proved I weigh 3-5 pounds more by night as in the morning, and vary 2-3 pounds from night to night with less variation from morning to morning.
    Three to five pounds is about normal morning to night. I'm somewhere between five and seven it depends how much you eat and how your digestive system is working. I would do daily weigh ins and then average over the week. Like take the trendline for your morning weigh ins.
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