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2017-10-11, 09:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Need to have 21 Charisma and 17 Wisdom without templates.
OK. GM is letting me count as a half-demon without taking Half-Fiend, because the template is what he deems to be too strong. That's great for me. Saves an average of 2 levels not progressing class levels. But I still need 21 Charisma and 17 Wisdom on 25 point buy with a Catfolk (or Kitsune). I'll probably take Kitsune, because the wisdom penalty Catfolk give.
That's actually really quite difficult. At best I could put a 17 in Charisma and Wisdom, and a 9 in something else, and have used up all 25 points. And I still need 2 Charisma (6 levels by standard level up rate).
Are there any classes I could take that boost my charisma, or is it possible to qualify for stat-based things based on bonuses from items?
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2017-10-11, 09:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Need to have 21 Charisma and 17 Wisdom without templates.
Why in particular do you need such high ability scores?
Throwing most everything else down the drain, you can get a 17 in wis and 20 in charisma(post +2 racial mod to CHA) on a 25 pt by, but you will have to be high enough level to afford to make or buy a charisma headband, or at level 4 increase your charisma by 1 to 21.Guides
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2017-10-11, 10:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Need to have 21 Charisma and 17 Wisdom without templates.
Last edited by SangoProduction; 2017-10-11 at 10:00 AM.
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2017-10-11, 10:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Need to have 21 Charisma and 17 Wisdom without templates.
If I recall correctly, in pathfinder, items count as permanent bonuses (for example, headband of intellect gives you skill points after wearing it for 24 hours). By that logic, yes, you could qualify through an item.
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2017-10-11, 10:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Need to have 21 Charisma and 17 Wisdom without templates.
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2017-10-11, 10:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Need to have 21 Charisma and 17 Wisdom without templates.
Age categories? They exist in PF just the same as per here. You need mental stats so middle-age is a huge buff towards both. Even old is consideration-worthy if you're willing to use lower physicals.
Campaign Journal: Uncovering the Lost World - A Player's Diary in Low-Magic D&D (Latest Update: 8.3.2014)
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2017-10-11, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Need to have 21 Charisma and 17 Wisdom without templates.
That definitely works. Especially since most of the character's career is intended to be inside someone else's body. I can't believe I forgot about that. Perhaps because I always kinda see it as a min-maxy type of deal and write it off as not actually usable. But in this case, I'd probably use it if I can. Any other methods?
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2017-10-11, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Need to have 21 Charisma and 17 Wisdom without templates.
Hm, well, a Scroll of Planar Binding could get you a Succubus whose Profane Gift would enable you to push your Cha too. Or any way to access it really works. Candle of Invocation or whatever but that's bonkers. All I can think of off the top of my head; there are no stat boosting feats or classes for Cha so it comes down to point buy, racials and items, and items are mostly out of the realm of possibility due to cost outside cheesing them.
Campaign Journal: Uncovering the Lost World - A Player's Diary in Low-Magic D&D (Latest Update: 8.3.2014)
Being Bane: A Guide to Barbarians Cracking Small Men - Ever Been Angry?! Then this is for you!
SRD Averages - An aggregation of all the key stats of all the monster entries on SRD arranged by CR.
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2017-10-11, 11:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Need to have 21 Charisma and 17 Wisdom without templates.
And spells---extract gift is duration:permanent while Nixie's grace is a persistable spell granting a +8 enhancement.
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2017-10-11, 11:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Need to have 21 Charisma and 17 Wisdom without templates.
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2017-10-11, 04:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Need to have 21 Charisma and 17 Wisdom without templates.
If you have backwards compatibility with 3.5, you could consider Vow of Poverty. I have no idea how that interfaces with your planned half-demon though.
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The Fortunar Base Class: A Fortuneteller wielding a minor Deck of Many Things. Mid T3.
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The Grandmaster : A master of animated stattuettes and tactical magic. High tier 3.
The Hidden Word: An infiltrator with a wide range of abilities that works best in small teams. Tier 2-3
Web-Spinner: A martial class based around using webs. Mid T3.
The True Warrior: A swift mundane martial combat class that can dodge and slice their way to victory. Low Tier 3.