Arrow, season 6

[random11]

First episode was unintentionally hilarious.

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- Show is so obsessed with flashbacks, it had to time-skip six months forward just for the chance to review what happened then in flashbacks.

- No one ever dies in these shows. This is getting ridicules.

- Base got invaded again? That's it, I'm changing the secret base name to "Princess Peach"

[Metahuman1]

Wait, did they ACTUALLY start showing flashbacks to season 1?!

[random11]

Wait, did they ACTUALLY start showing flashbacks to season 1?!

I think they did flashbacks of season 1 in the previous season.
Now they did a time-skip and then went back, so it's technically a flashback from season 6 to season 6.

[Rynjin]

I finally gave up about 3/4 of the way through last season. Anything worth making me pick it back up?

[Metahuman1]

Huh, figured season 5 flashbacks would be to the last year on/pretending to be on the Island.

[Seerow]

I finally gave up about 3/4 of the way through last season. Anything worth making me pick it back up?

Honestly, I -hated- the start of last season. Even into the middle of it. The new people weren't working for me, the villain felt bland, Oliver as Mayor seemed as meaningless as a day job in a soap opera.... just nothing was working.


But I stuck it out and by the last few episodes I was actually seriously invested and loving the show. If you didn't watch the whole season I would highly recommend at least finishing up the season, even if you disliked the start of it.

[random11]

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Just want to understand, who is this person in the organization, who heard the criticism for the CW shows and decided that the solution was to bring nazi version of the already too depressing heroes?

[Green Elf]

I'm currently on season 4 (I call every major-sometimes minor- events). Should I keep watching the show?

[random11]

I'm currently on season 4 (I call every major-sometimes minor- events). Should I keep watching the show?

If you take any kind of enjoyment out of it, sure.
If you only watch hoping it might get better, don't bother.

[Jayngfet]

Yeah, Season 4 may be the shows lowest point, but that's genuinely not saying much. Season 5 only had any improvement because it basically cycled out half the main cast and dropped basically every subplot from 4 like a hot mess. But now according to photos 6 decided it really did like that hot mess and we're going back to it.

Arrow really, really suffers because the producers and writers have no actual idea on where to take it. They're essentially jumping with no idea where they're going to land and it's incredibly obvious when they announce they'll kill someone off later, only to have never figured out which character it is they're going to be killing. Or when they introduce a new mysterious masked character, then just never reveal who's under the mask because they don't know any more than the audience does. Its a stupid mystery for the sake of mystery concept and they simply don't have any idea what they're doing to resolve the mystery.

The Flash is getting to the same point but there's at least something vaguely resembling a point so it's not as bad. Savitar had a really stupid execution and terrible CG design but at least you could say it was a mystery they resolved in one season with a bit of halfway clever looping of dialogue to at least make it seem like they knew what they were doing.

Legends of Tomorrow is a bit different in that the show basically cast off any attempts at being serious and gritty by like episode three and has basically just been wacky side characters screwing about for going on three seasons now. The show sets incredibly loose and slapdash rules for Time Travel and doesn't even follow those, but it does a good job of convincing you not to care because the show is about the journey, and not the destination of who is this mysterious fellow, find out next week!

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Just want to understand, who is this person in the organization, who heard the criticism for the CW shows and decided that the solution was to bring nazi version of the already too depressing heroes?

The CW is basically cribbing from Toei's Super Sentai rulebook. You can get as blatant about your stupid BS as you want in the base show, because big events and periphary sales are what drives this kind of thing forward. The crossovers are invariably the biggest ratings things that any of these shows get and are way up there on the networks as a whole. The Nazi bad guys aren't there to fix the show's many problems, they're there to drive ratings because you have a bunch of colorfull villains for all the heroes to punch at once.

[random11]

Every story has problems and weakpoints.
When it's good, it can distract us enough so we can still enjoy it despite its flaws.
When instead it focuses the story ON the flaws, it makes it harder to ignore.

For example, in most variations of the X-Men, it's a legitimate question to ask why the hell it's okay for a school have an armed hi-tech jet plane without anyone objecting (not to mention their training room).
In most stories, that's not the point of the episode, so we can ignore it. But when we are presented with a story that has characters that ask this specific question, it's just harder to accept the team as the good guys.

Now back to arrow.
There were always questions that bothered be in the back of my head about it, but it was distracting enough to avoid them.
Now I feel that the season so far focuses on them, and I wonder how long my interest will last.

- What makes "the arrow" special? After all, despite his skills, he's basically just a normal guy with a bow.
Now that he has a team that basically replaced him, along with a crossbow that shoots the arrows without requiring the years of training on the island, the only thing I see is how pointless he was.

- Is being a vigilante the right thing to do?
In the beginning, we had the notebook with names and the excuse that he was traumatized from what happened to him on the island.
Later, the names were ignored, and was replaced with villains that work from within the law, so something else was needed.
Now? He is the mayor, the police is described as competent, and along with the previous section the only advantage teal arrow has is the intel, which can be easily shared with the police.
Not to mention that the last two villains' motivation was revenge specifically against Arrow, which kind of adds to the fact that he does more damage than good now.

[khadgar567]

Every story has problems and weakpoints.
When it's good, it can distract us enough so we can still enjoy it despite its flaws.
When instead it focuses the story ON the flaws, it makes it harder to ignore.

For example, in most variations of the X-Men, it's a legitimate question to ask why the hell it's okay for a school have an armed hi-tech jet plane without anyone objecting (not to mention their training room).
In most stories, that's not the point of the episode, so we can ignore it. But when we are presented with a story that has characters that ask this specific question, it's just harder to accept the team as the good guys.

Now back to arrow.
There were always questions that bothered be in the back of my head about it, but it was distracting enough to avoid them.
Now I feel that the season so far focuses on them, and I wonder how long my interest will last.

- What makes "the arrow" special? After all, despite his skills, he's basically just a normal guy with a bow.
Now that he has a team that basically replaced him, along with a crossbow that shoots the arrows without requiring the years of training on the island, the only thing I see is how pointless he was.

- Is being a vigilante the right thing to do?
In the beginning, we had the notebook with names and the excuse that he was traumatized from what happened to him on the island.
Later, the names were ignored, and was replaced with villains that work from within the law, so something else was needed.
Now? He is the mayor, the police is described as competent, and along with the previous section the only advantage teal arrow has is the intel, which can be easily shared with the police.
Not to mention that the last two villains' motivation was revenge specifically against Arrow, which kind of adds to the fact that he does more damage than good now.

lets face it current arrow sucks. wake me when arrow verse merges with super girl<goes back to snoring>

[Seerow]

Every story has problems and weakpoints.
When it's good, it can distract us enough so we can still enjoy it despite its flaws.
When instead it focuses the story ON the flaws, it makes it harder to ignore.

For example, in most variations of the X-Men, it's a legitimate question to ask why the hell it's okay for a school have an armed hi-tech jet plane without anyone objecting (not to mention their training room).
In most stories, that's not the point of the episode, so we can ignore it. But when we are presented with a story that has characters that ask this specific question, it's just harder to accept the team as the good guys.

Now back to arrow.
There were always questions that bothered be in the back of my head about it, but it was distracting enough to avoid them.
Now I feel that the season so far focuses on them, and I wonder how long my interest will last.

- What makes "the arrow" special? After all, despite his skills, he's basically just a normal guy with a bow.
Now that he has a team that basically replaced him, along with a crossbow that shoots the arrows without requiring the years of training on the island, the only thing I see is how pointless he was.

- Is being a vigilante the right thing to do?
In the beginning, we had the notebook with names and the excuse that he was traumatized from what happened to him on the island.
Later, the names were ignored, and was replaced with villains that work from within the law, so something else was needed.
Now? He is the mayor, the police is described as competent, and along with the previous section the only advantage teal arrow has is the intel, which can be easily shared with the police.
Not to mention that the last two villains' motivation was revenge specifically against Arrow, which kind of adds to the fact that he does more damage than good now.

Personally I feel like the show exploring these questions gets me more interested rather than the inverse. Seeing how the team does without Oliver, and what it is that makes him special compared to others who could take up the mantle is important. Taking a few weeks off from the hood is one of the best things the show could have given Oliver.

[Hopeless]

Regarding the crossover wouldn't it make more sense to link it with that animated feature using some of the same voice actors?

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For example the Ray escapes to Super Girl's Earth drawing Gipsy's attention she's captured by the Goon squad who narrowly fail to capture Ray after Cisco escorts him to his Earth.
Super Girl visits to find out more as the wedding is going on the Goon Squad kidnaps Iris to force them to trade her for the Ray.
Ollie scares off Over Girl but they're unaware why she's scared of him.
They go to rescue Iris & Gipsy getting help from the Legends as it's clear they need lots of backup and a cloaked time ship will help...

Is that likely?
So far I'm not impressed with what's been revealed so do you know more about this?

[Reddish Mage]

What makes "the arrow" special? After all, despite his skills, he's basically just a normal guy with a bow.
Now that he has a team that basically replaced him, along with a crossbow that shoots the arrows without requiring the years of training on the island, the only thing I see is how pointless he was.

- Is being a vigilante the right thing to do?
In the beginning, we had the notebook with names and the excuse that he was traumatized from what happened to him on the island.
Later, the names were ignored, and was replaced with villains that work from within the law, so something else was needed.
Now? He is the mayor, the police is described as competent, and along with the previous section the only advantage teal arrow has is the intel, which can be easily shared with the police.
Not to mention that the last two villains' motivation was revenge specifically against Arrow, which kind of adds to the fact that he does more damage than good now.

The original plan was for a five year show with a definite end date that also followed Olivers journey on the island. The last episode was going to finish with a flashback of Oliver leaving the island just as he did in the first episode, only it was going to be a spiritual leaving.

The point was that Oliver, as the Arrow, is still mentally very much on that island and the show would follow his long path to abandoning that isolation.

Only, they clearly threw out that narrative somewhere in season 2. I never felt the show had a direction since season 1 and now I just follow it on the forums. Where I hear things that don't give me confidence in the show. It sounds like the show is in a constant state of figuring out what it wants to be.