4th edition!

[CabbageTheif]

Zee Game Weel Reemaeen De Saim!

[MrNexx]

You're not. It looks like they're paying actual money for it.

I'm detecting some Elmore influence on the Wayne Reynolds individual. This is a good thing.

[MrNexx]

The only thing I can think of is a cross between Jacques Cousteau and the D&D in Quebec video that was going around.

[Matthew]

Gah! Thread Merger!

Yeah, I'm quite liking this new Art so far, but I haven't been to the website yet.

[Roland St. Jude]

Sheriff of Moddingham: Two threads (one quite short) have been merged so expect some wierdness above.

Also, please stop the 1) profanity and 2) chatspeak. Thank you.

[Kizara]

Here's a thought.

Hire a narrator that's a native speaker of the language in question.
If its in Chinese, get a chinese guy that has a good projection.

If its in English, get an amercian/canadian that doesn't have a thick accent ffs.

This is really a straightforward enough concept that I believe WotC can understand it.

[Wonderboy]

Here's a thought.

Hire a narrator that's a native speaker of the language in question.
If its in Chinese, get a chinese guy that has a good projection.

If its in English, get an amercian/canadian that doesn't have a thick accent ffs.

This is really a straightforward enough concept that I believe WotC can understand it.

No madder ow mush you camplane, zee okzent weel remaine de same!


And I'm pretty stoked, but the last splatbook I purchased was the Dragonlance campaign setting (I think), so I don't have much money invested in it.

[geez3r]

Well after considering all of the information that has been released, I will admit that I am interested as to what 4e will be like. However, I am not easily parted with my money, so I am going to sit and wait. I want to see what WoTC does with 4e and I sincerly hope they do a good job of it.

[Destro_Yersul]

*looks at Wizards site*
Expletive.
*cries*

[Matthew]

Yay, I am finally on the wizards site now everyone has gone off to bed! Now to draw my own conclusions... aw, I can't get past the main page now...

[brian c]

Yay, I am finally on the wizards site now everyone has gone off to bed! Now to draw my own conclusions... aw, I can't get past the main page now...

I'm still getting the technical difficulties screen...

[Hurlbut]

The server weep for mercy.

[Svethnika]

Hey... it sounds really positive that they were testing some concepts with TOB and the star wars RPG. I heard someone theorize that was what they might have been doing too. It sounds good. Glad I've only bought one book from 3.5 so far too, lol Faster combat is almost always a good thing.

[Jarlax]

i was not impressed by that trailer, it really just said every edition including the current one, in fact especially the current one are all slow and boring. but 4th edition will be better than them all, especially 3.5 which is the slowest yet.

so basically instead of a message of "hey 4th edition is coming, were doing some exciting stuff with it your gonna enjoy, here are a few small quick teasers" which could have just been a rehash of the stuff presented in all the articles that came with the announcement.

instead they said "hey 3.5 is slow and boring, stuff like grapple takes too long to understand and needs an overhaul and its coming in 4th edition, but your all stuck with this lousy edition until mid next year"

focusing on the negative points of all their previous editions, and coming down hard especially on 3.5 is an insult to their current player base and leaves me thinking, "if you say every edition so far sucked, why should we believe 4th edition will be so much better".

[Fireball.Man.Guy.]

I've spent over $700 dollars in the last year buying splatbook. This news is some of the worst so far in my life. I'm honestly to shocked to cry.

[Bosh]

I've spent over $700 dollars in the last year buying splatbook. This news is some of the worst so far in my life. I'm honestly to shocked to cry.

This sort of attitude confuses me a bit. You've spent $700 on 3.5 ed splatbooks and you're upset that you won't the chance to spend even more money on 3.5 ed splatbooks in the future. I would think that once you have $700 of splatbooks for one game system you wouldn't need so many more...

[skywalker]

Good Lord. That's insane! How high a load do they have?!

I thought we were going 10 years between editions, and that I had another three years. Not less than one! My splatbooks, they're useless!!!

[Destro_Yersul]

I have decided to deny that 4th exists. I have 3.5, and that's good enough for me.

At least until someone tells me 4th doesn't suck.

[tainsouvra]

leaves me thinking, "if you say every edition so far sucked, why should we believe 4th edition will be so much better".

I like your logic, but logic and propaganda rarely go well together. They're releasing 4E fast on the heels of 3.5E--if they don't convince people that 3.5 sucks, they run the risk of people being happy with their 3.5 games, which hurts their sales. Just pay no attention to the man behind the curtain and everything will be fine...

[Matthew]

It's about a year ahead of what I would have expected, but it won't be up and running properly for at least fifteen months, that's my bet.

[horseboy]

The only thing I can think of is a cross between Jacques Cousteau and the D&D in Quebec video that was going around.

It kinda reminds me of that guy on that retarded retro sitcom. What's his name, "Pez"?

[brian c]

Hey... it sounds really positive that they were testing some concepts with TOB and the star wars RPG. I heard someone theorize that was what they might have been doing too. It sounds good. Glad I've only bought one book from 3.5 so far too, lol Faster combat is almost always a good thing.

Hey, since you mentioned it... what is the star wars RPG like? I've never played it, but I'm curious as to what game mechanics from that they might incorporate into D&D. I know it uses Wound/Vitality, but I doubt that would become a core D&D thing instead of just a variant. Anybody wanna give a short version of SW game mechanics?

[Matthew]

I don't really know Saga, but here's what I have picked up about it:

1) Iterative Attacks = Gone
2) BAB = +1 AB and +1 DB
3) Off Hand Strength Damage Bonus Multiplier = x 1.0
4) Two Handed Strength Damage Bonus Multiplier = x 2.0
5) Saving Throws Scale by Level 1:1
6) Skills can be purchased and then automatically scale by level or used Untrained at Level -5(?).
7) Armour Class replaced by Defence Value

Almost all good changes (i.e. almost all changes I would make to 3e).

It also uses 'Talent Trees', but I don't pretend to understand that.

[Bosh]

I don't really know Saga, but here's what I have picked up about it:

1) Iterative Attacks = Gone
2) BAB = +1 AB and +1 DB
3) Off Hand Strength Damage Bonus Multiplier = x 1.0
4) Two Handed Strength Damage Bonus Multiplier = x 2.0
5) Saving Throws Scale by Level 1:1
6) Skills can be purchased and then automatically scale by level or used Untrained at Level -5(?).
7) Armour Class replaced by Defence Value

Almost all good changes (i.e. almost all changes I would make to 3e).

It also uses 'Talent Trees', but I don't pretend to understand that.

That does sound good. Now they just need to make shields not suck.

[RoboticSheeple]

Why do people need to stop playing 3.5 now that 4 is annoucned. This pissed off attitude about this doesn't make too much sense. I have a PS2, the PS3 is out, no new games are going to be made for the PS2, it isn't suddenly worthless, I can still boot up an old game and have fun with that too.

[Em Blackleaf]

Wow.
I tried accessing the website, and the servers are still too busy.

I was watching the countdown with my brother, and he clicked the link, and the servers were too busy already.
I think everyone in the world was on that website...

[Matthew]

Hmn, a certain family resemblance, are you related to Krimm, Em?

[Em Blackleaf]

Hmn, a certain family resemblance, are you related to Krimm, Em?

Yes.
He introduced me to the website.[/off topic]

I thought Wizards of the Coast would wait a few more years until 4th edition...

[Matthew]

A laudable pedigree. Welcome to the Forums and all that; good luck getting out...

I thought we had one more year of 3e than we did.

[Correction]
Apparently it's +1 DB per 2 Character Levels, I was thinking of a D&D proposal using a similar mechanic; still the D&D proposal would probably be better, Fighters with high BAB should do more Damage than Wizards from the same source.

Here are some links to previous Threads:

Star Wars Saga Edition Preview Discussion
Star Wars Saga Edition General Discussion
Star Wars Saga Edition Light Sabres and Block
Star Wars Saga Edition Character Examples

There's also a Skill Focus thing that grants +5 to a Skill. Talent Trees apparently are just Feats disguised as Class Features.

[RTGoodman]

Well, I've spent the last twelve hours writing music, teaching kids to play percussion, and all the other stuff that comes with helping teach a marching band, and now I'm finally back to what's important - checking out all that's been revealed about 4E since I left.

Now that I've read the articles above about races, classes, and such (since I'm pretending to have never seen that teaser trailer ), I have to admit that I'm complete excited about 4E now.

That's not to say that I'll be buying everything the minute it comes out, but the system sounds pretty good. I fear for the Half-Orc, though - I'm nearly positive that's he's gonna be the race to get the boot (for a while, at least). That class that's going? I'm sort of hoping Monk is cut (until and Oriental Adventures style supplement comes out), and that Warlock becomes Corelock. Oh, and I'm nearly sure that Paladin will either become more like the ToB Crusader or (more likely) it'll be split into four separate classes a-la the variants in UA.

And I still can't access the site...