League of Legends LXVIII: "MY PICK'EMS!" Part II: Who Didn't Get Out of Groups?

**Ivellius** · 2017-10-19, 04:34 PM (ISO 8601)

League of Legends LXVIII: "MY PICK'EMS!" Part II: Who Didn't Get Out of Groups?

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PREVIOUS THREADS
Behold the discussions of the past!

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**mrcarter11** · 2017-10-19, 06:45 PM (ISO 8601)

Spoiler: LZ vs SSG

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Well now a single person has a perfect pick ems. That was fun to watch though.

**McDouggal** · 2017-10-19, 07:40 PM (ISO 8601)

Bah, "This Is Why We Don't Do Topical Titles" was superior.

**Ivellius** · 2017-10-19, 08:50 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by McDouggal

Bah, "This Is Why We Don't Do Topical Titles" was superior.

Oh, we've always done topical titles. Activity has just dried up over the past year. This way is much more subtle shade at that fact. (Probably too subtle, but still.)

Edit: So I may curate the material in the first post. I already pulled all of the streamers, as none of them seem to be doing League stuff anymore. Does anyone have strong feelings about preserving the other categories (guides / videos)? I would be fine leaving the videos in just as a sort of time capsule (most of them are pretty amusing), but I'd probably rather pull all of the guides and just put in some informational links (na.op.gg, at the very least).

**Norin** · 2017-10-20, 03:28 AM (ISO 8601)

Can you add me to EUW server list in OP?

Summoner name: Varaghul

Also, in to follow. :)

**Olinser** · 2017-10-20, 03:43 AM (ISO 8601)

Spoiler: SKT vs Misfits game 1

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God this is a slaughter. 10k gold lead at 20 minutes.

Spoiler: Game 3

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OK seriously WHAT IS THIS CLOWN FIESTA

**lord_khaine** · 2017-10-20, 06:48 AM (ISO 8601)

Spoiler: Worlds

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Omg!.. what on earth have they been doping Misfits with? That was so close to end in game 4

**Joran** · 2017-10-20, 09:39 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by lord_khaine

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Omg!.. what on earth have they been doping Misfits with? That was so close to end in game 4

Spoiler: Misfits vs. SKT

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Didn't watch the games, but I'm guessing it's "f the meta, let's go ham". SKT has had very shaky early games, while Misfits were one of the stronger early game teams in Group Stage.

I caught the end of game 4 and it's sad that Misfits overdived that inhibitor turret; they were pretty close to closing that game out.

**Ivellius** · 2017-10-20, 09:50 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Norin

Can you add me to EUW server list in OP?

Summoner name: Varaghul

Also, in to follow. :)

Added.

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And I was getting really close to pointing out how appropriate the thread title would be again this year. SKT-MSF was a great series, though.

If you do have comments about the opening post stuff, please leave them soon. I'm not sure much of it is worth keeping in a welcome thread anymore.

**Lethologica** · 2017-10-20, 11:50 AM (ISO 8601)

Most of the guides are 4-7 years old. Easy out.

**Forum Explorer** · 2017-10-20, 06:44 PM (ISO 8601)

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Holy crap that series was amazing. Came down to a smite fight at Elder. Imagine if Misfits won that one. 6 Inferno Drakes?

Overall, absolutely an incredible series with only game 1 being boring.

**Olinser** · 2017-10-20, 07:29 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Joran

Spoiler: Misfits vs. SKT

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Didn't watch the games, but I'm guessing it's "f the meta, let's go ham". SKT has had very shaky early games, while Misfits were one of the stronger early game teams in Group Stage.

I caught the end of game 4 and it's sad that Misfits overdived that inhibitor turret; they were pretty close to closing that game out.

Two words.

Spoiler: Misfits vs SKT Game 3

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Fervor Leona.

**Anarion** · 2017-10-21, 02:14 AM (ISO 8601)

Spoiler: SKT v. Misfits

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I want to give Misfits some credit for their coaching, or shotcalling or something. They spent a whole year doing average at best and managed to figure out some aspect of the meta and the teams they were playing against well enough to make an extremely strong run all the way up to SKT.

**Ivellius** · 2017-10-21, 09:16 AM (ISO 8601)

Spoiler: Worlds: RNG v. FNC

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I got up in time to catch the latter part of the series. Boy, Game 3 was a fiesta. (In a kind of good way, I guess.)

FNC was in trouble from the start in Game 4, though: drafting 4 tanks? Come on.

**Anarion** · 2017-10-21, 02:34 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Ivellius

Spoiler: Worlds: RNG v. FNC

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I got up in time to catch the latter part of the series. Boy, Game 3 was a fiesta. (In a kind of good way, I guess.)

FNC was in trouble from the start in Game 4, though: drafting 4 tanks? Come on.

Spoiler: FNC v. RNG

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Fanatic had two ways to win the 4th game. One was to win harder early, the other was to get a strong pick late.
The mistake they made early, imo, was not around the Shen, but rather in letting Corki roam too freely. I think it's just that Caps wasn't good enough at the Galio pick. He needed to do a better job pushing in Corki and then roaming first so that Fanatic could dive bot with four people repeatedly (they made it work once, but that wasn't enough). If you set Uzi far enough back on that Twitch and make Soraka underleveled and squishy, then they could have forced a Baron teamfight and won it.

Second problem was relying on Baron too much (and messing up the rift herald to some extent). I think baiting around baron was a mistake because they didn't have a fast take. If they'd set up and then pushed into an ambush in RNG's red jungle, they might have been able to land a solid pick on Twitch or Soraka and burst them, which wins a teamfight and then gives them baron. They were very uncreative though, imo, and wound up giving RNG 15 minutes of free farming time around baron to hit the Twitch late game fantasy before they finally fought.

Side note, they could have won the final fight even with all that. Shen managed an absolutely crucial last second block on Sejuani ult that likely would have killed Soraka really early in the fight otherwise and allowed Fanatic to push up, negate the elder dragon advantage and possibly threaten a tower with their baron minions.

**Olinser** · 2017-10-21, 04:08 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Anarion

Spoiler: FNC v. RNG

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Fanatic had two ways to win the 4th game. One was to win harder early, the other was to get a strong pick late.
The mistake they made early, imo, was not around the Shen, but rather in letting Corki roam too freely. I think it's just that Caps wasn't good enough at the Galio pick. He needed to do a better job pushing in Corki and then roaming first so that Fanatic could dive bot with four people repeatedly (they made it work once, but that wasn't enough). If you set Uzi far enough back on that Twitch and make Soraka underleveled and squishy, then they could have forced a Baron teamfight and won it.

Second problem was relying on Baron too much (and messing up the rift herald to some extent). I think baiting around baron was a mistake because they didn't have a fast take. If they'd set up and then pushed into an ambush in RNG's red jungle, they might have been able to land a solid pick on Twitch or Soraka and burst them, which wins a teamfight and then gives them baron. They were very uncreative though, imo, and wound up giving RNG 15 minutes of free farming time around baron to hit the Twitch late game fantasy before they finally fought.

Side note, they could have won the final fight even with all that. Shen managed an absolutely crucial last second block on Sejuani ult that likely would have killed Soraka really early in the fight otherwise and allowed Fanatic to push up, negate the elder dragon advantage and possibly threaten a tower with their baron minions.

Spoiler: RNG vs FNC

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Caps in general was pretty ineffective throughout the series. He had a good game on the Malzahar but I wasn't particularly impressed with his Taliyah play, sure he was bringing the damage but his ultimates were pretty terrible, when you lock in a Taliyah you need more than just damage.

Man Soaz was playing out of his MIND on that 3rd game though. Assassinating Letme in a literal 1v5 was ludicrous.

**Olinser** · 2017-10-22, 03:24 AM (ISO 8601)

Spoiler: C9 vs WE champ select

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Oh SNAP diving right into the meta busting with the Jensen Aurelion Sol!

Lets see how it works out

Spoiler: Post game 1

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Man that baron fight was so forced by C9, Sneaky going way too far forward. That just put them behind forever, and they just couldn't bring it back before 5-6 item Kog started laying waste.

EDIT - In addition they just said that Sneaky broke the world record for Damage per Minute in that game.

**Lethologica** · 2017-10-22, 05:32 AM (ISO 8601)

Spoiler: C9 vs. WE through game 2

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These games are so great, holy s***. I don't want to stay up but I don't want to go to sleep and I won't want to watch the VODs tomorrow. Ugh.

Taric-Singed-Jarvan was a brilliant front line for game 2. Enough to overwhelm the peel once Janna was banned. SO close, though.

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Mystic, Ben, and Condi completely dunked on themselves. When the Maokai jungle couldn't do a thing to half-health Tristana on the first gank, it was a sign of just how ineffectual this comp was going to be on the bottom half of the map. And then to opt into a losing bot lane duel?! They just took their entire team concept and drowned it at birth. Xiye must be sad about wasting that magnificent Jayce performance.

"GG my dudes" l0l

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I don't understand giving over Kog'maw every game. Well, I can sort of understand it if you can build your comp against Kog'maw, which happened in game 2. But I especially don't understand banning Xayah over both Kog and Galio in game 5. Then building protect-the-AD around an AD that doesn't scale as well as Kog, in a lane that won't win early because of Galio. C9's turn for a self-own in the pick phase.

**sonofzeal** · 2017-10-23, 01:21 PM (ISO 8601)

Hey all!

I'm in the process of introducing my kid, at his own insistence, to LoL. He's the kind of bad that even "Wood Division Adventures" would be a step up, but then he's pretty young, and never played anything with remotely similar control schemes before. He's up to the point where he can get score lines like 0/1/5 vs beginner bots, and is quite proud of the games where he manages not to die, especially if he's up there auto-attacking the enemy Nexus when it goes down. Soraka's his main right now, which can be a challenge because he's yet to successfully use his W heal on me unless we're both standing still. Hopefully that gives you some insight into what I'm working with here.

So, for obvious reasons, I'm trying to find beginner guides on youtube. Shurelia's Zoning Tutorial from '09 is still the best I've found, because the others either throw a lot of gamer jargon ("cc", "tank", "dps") around, are profanity-laden, are dry as stale cardboard, talk too fast for him to really process what they're saying, or some combination of the above. Surely there's something better though, preferably post-map-rework so it looks more familiar.

What would you guys recommend for (free) ways to introduce him to respecting enemy zone control, last hitting, etc? How do I help turn my little dude into something other than a walking bloopers reel?

**Vogie** · 2017-10-23, 03:35 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by sonofzeal

Hey all!

I'm in the process of introducing my kid, at his own insistence, to LoL. He's the kind of bad that even "Wood Division Adventures" would be a step up, but then he's pretty young, and never played anything with remotely similar control schemes before. He's up to the point where he can get score lines like 0/1/5 vs beginner bots, and is quite proud of the games where he manages not to die, especially if he's up there auto-attacking the enemy Nexus when it goes down. Soraka's his main right now, which can be a challenge because he's yet to successfully use his W heal on me unless we're both standing still. Hopefully that gives you some insight into what I'm working with here.

So, for obvious reasons, I'm trying to find beginner guides on youtube. Shurelia's Zoning Tutorial from '09 is still the best I've found, because the others either throw a lot of gamer jargon ("cc", "tank", "dps") around, are profanity-laden, are dry as stale cardboard, talk too fast for him to really process what they're saying, or some combination of the above. Surely there's something better though, preferably post-map-rework so it looks more familiar.

What would you guys recommend for (free) ways to introduce him to respecting enemy zone control, last hitting, etc? How do I help turn my little dude into something other than a walking bloopers reel?

What I've found is that people, regardless of age, won't click with something that doesn't resonate with them. It doesn't help that most tutorials are either already out of date, or will be as soon as next month.

I would encourage him to try other champions to get more of a feel of a champ with more agency with their abilities. Specifically those champs that have a built-in bonus to get them involved with last hitting such as Annie, Pantheon, Cassiopeia, Gangplank. Then let them play, and explain things as needed. If you try to frontload a bunch of information, like zoning or ward jumping, it'll be too much.

You will probably be able to explain certain things better than a video could... from basic rules of thumb, like "autoattacking draws minion aggro, so use abilities instead", to asking them why they think they died here but didn't die over there. You will probably have to sit down next to them, in the practice tool, to explain the differences in certain unseen things, such as autoattack range, so they can see when you're on Caitlyn and they're on Ashe, and you're both shooting the same dummy.

Also, let them watch some of the well-edited streamers on Youtube. Redmercy, Dyrus, Brofresco, et cetera, will usually drilldown into whatever they've done wrong, as soon as they do something wrong, and launch in to what they should have done in that situation, without taking themselves too seriously. Less so on the full streams or worlds stuff - that requires an inside-baseball type of knowledge that will be completely overwhelming outside of the most basic objectives.

**Ivellius** · 2017-10-23, 07:30 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Vogie

What I've found is that people, regardless of age, won't click with something that doesn't resonate with them. It doesn't help that most tutorials are either already out of date, or will be as soon as next month.

I would encourage him to try other champions to get more of a feel of a champ with more agency with their abilities. Specifically those champs that have a built-in bonus to get them involved with last hitting such as Annie, Pantheon, Cassiopeia, Gangplank. Then let them play, and explain things as needed. If you try to frontload a bunch of information, like zoning or ward jumping, it'll be too much.

You will probably be able to explain certain things better than a video could... from basic rules of thumb, like "autoattacking draws minion aggro, so use abilities instead", to asking them why they think they died here but didn't die over there. You will probably have to sit down next to them, in the practice tool, to explain the differences in certain unseen things, such as autoattack range, so they can see when you're on Caitlyn and they're on Ashe, and you're both shooting the same dummy.

I second all of this. One of the best things for last-hitting for me was playing Annie and Nasus (depending on lane). It was admittedly a different "era" of League, but that more than anything taught me the value of CS. Carrot v. stick, if you will--they immediately reward you for doing what you're supposed to, rather than making you feel like a failure for not meeting a CS target.

**McDouggal** · 2017-10-24, 09:49 AM (ISO 8601)

As well, turning on quick cast with range indicators might help.

IMO it's better than just plain quick cast in all but extreme scenarios.

**Dienekes** · 2017-10-24, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by sonofzeal

Hey all!

I'm in the process of introducing my kid, at his own insistence, to LoL. He's the kind of bad that even "Wood Division Adventures" would be a step up, but then he's pretty young, and never played anything with remotely similar control schemes before. He's up to the point where he can get score lines like 0/1/5 vs beginner bots, and is quite proud of the games where he manages not to die, especially if he's up there auto-attacking the enemy Nexus when it goes down. Soraka's his main right now, which can be a challenge because he's yet to successfully use his W heal on me unless we're both standing still. Hopefully that gives you some insight into what I'm working with here.

So, for obvious reasons, I'm trying to find beginner guides on youtube. Shurelia's Zoning Tutorial from '09 is still the best I've found, because the others either throw a lot of gamer jargon ("cc", "tank", "dps") around, are profanity-laden, are dry as stale cardboard, talk too fast for him to really process what they're saying, or some combination of the above. Surely there's something better though, preferably post-map-rework so it looks more familiar.

What would you guys recommend for (free) ways to introduce him to respecting enemy zone control, last hitting, etc? How do I help turn my little dude into something other than a walking bloopers reel?

How old is this kid?

Honestly, I understand the desire to want to play some tougher stuff. But if he’s steadily progressing (even slowly) and having fun supporting his old man. That sounds pretty great already. Show him some of the easier champions, if he picks out one he likes for whatever reason (maybe aesthetics maybe he wants to support to play with you more, maybe he just ends up finding last hitting boring) and talk to him as you play.

Making the kid watch videos and essentially do homework for a game seems counterproductive unless he’s actually asking to do it.

Says the guy who's never had a kid and has no intention of ever raising one, anyway.

**Ivellius** · 2017-10-24, 10:54 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Dienekes

How old is this kid?

Honestly, I understand the desire to want to play some tougher stuff. But if he’s steadily progressing (even slowly) and having fun supporting his old man. That sounds pretty great already. Show him some of the easier champions, if he picks out one he likes for whatever reason (maybe aesthetics maybe he wants to support to play with you more, maybe he just ends up finding last hitting boring) and talk to him as you play.

Making the kid watch videos and essentially do homework for a game seems counterproductive unless he’s actually asking to do it.

Says the guy whose never had a kid and has no intention of ever raising one, anyway.

I will second this as well, says the guy who has a kid. (Even if she's just over a year old.)

**Anarion** · 2017-10-24, 11:15 PM (ISO 8601)

It sounds like if the Shurelia tutorial is usable (meaning the kid is old and cognizant enough to not just spam the shiny stuff but actually pay attention to things and try to learn strategy), then I think the best thing to do is just play together. Also try, and I know this is incredibly hard, but try not to showboat around while he's doing stuff. Just kind of hang out in a side lane last hitting.

I would not recommend Soraka though. It's weird to say, but she's high stress early because now he has to concentrate on you and not just on the game. Especially if the situation is that hand-eye coordination is lacking yet learning is on the table. Annie, as already noted, is great, as is Nasus because they're really easy to last hit with and reward you for doing so. They both also kind of reward just clicking all your buttons around the spot on the screen where the enemy champion is.

I'm kind of guessing that your kid hasn't played too many real time games generally though. Which is actually kind of odd. Usually, learning League assumes pretty competent hand-eye coordination from gaming in some other context (RTS, FPS, at least platformer) and then the challenge is processing the incredibly high quantity of information that most players have already internalized into muscle memory. But here, we've got a kid who you've described as capable of studying and learning, but having laughably bad hand-eye coordination and reflexes under pressure. So...maybe focus on training that. If he switches champions, practice fights with Annie and Nasus will help a lot, and then he can switch back to Soraka and learn to focus on you as a teammate instead of focusing on just enemies.

Also, like, try some other games and maybe even real life stuff like basketball, baseball, or target practice with a nerf gun. People do not start life with the ability to see something and then manipulate an external object to go where they are looking. Using a mouse to do that is a trained skill, but if the basic concept isn't very strong, doing it with literally anything will help.

**Olinser** · 2017-10-24, 11:39 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by sonofzeal

Hey all!

I'm in the process of introducing my kid, at his own insistence, to LoL. He's the kind of bad that even "Wood Division Adventures" would be a step up, but then he's pretty young, and never played anything with remotely similar control schemes before. He's up to the point where he can get score lines like 0/1/5 vs beginner bots, and is quite proud of the games where he manages not to die, especially if he's up there auto-attacking the enemy Nexus when it goes down. Soraka's his main right now, which can be a challenge because he's yet to successfully use his W heal on me unless we're both standing still. Hopefully that gives you some insight into what I'm working with here.

So, for obvious reasons, I'm trying to find beginner guides on youtube. Shurelia's Zoning Tutorial from '09 is still the best I've found, because the others either throw a lot of gamer jargon ("cc", "tank", "dps") around, are profanity-laden, are dry as stale cardboard, talk too fast for him to really process what they're saying, or some combination of the above. Surely there's something better though, preferably post-map-rework so it looks more familiar.

What would you guys recommend for (free) ways to introduce him to respecting enemy zone control, last hitting, etc? How do I help turn my little dude into something other than a walking bloopers reel?

I'd have him switch champions to somebody less complicated than Soraka. I'd recommend Sona - all of her basic abilities are auto-targeted and her auras do a good job of helping understand location and zone control, and you still have decent healing. Her ult is the only thing that actually needs to be targeted.

**McDouggal** · 2017-10-25, 08:32 PM (ISO 8601)

Galio is currently aggressively busted.

https://clips.twitch.tv/IronicAdventurousCrowBrokeBack

https://youtu.be/YMN7910m9EM

https://twitter.com/ly_keane/status/923243363486199808

B_N G_LIO

**Dienekes** · 2017-10-25, 08:58 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by McDouggal

Galio is currently aggressively busted.

https://clips.twitch.tv/IronicAdventurousCrowBrokeBack

https://youtu.be/YMN7910m9EM

https://twitter.com/ly_keane/status/923243363486199808

B_N G_LIO

Well that’s hilarious and stupid. Isn’t PBE supposed to catch this kind of thing?

I thought Riot didn’t like things like assassins that can 100->0 enemies.

**Olinser** · 2017-10-25, 10:45 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Dienekes

Well that’s hilarious and stupid. Isn’t PBE supposed to catch this kind of thing?

I thought Riot didn’t like things like assassins that can 100->0 enemies.

Fun fact. On the PBE they actually INCREASED the %max health damage from 2% to 3%. Because apparently they weren't paying attention.

This isn't even something that's hard to see. In the freaking patch notes '3% target's maximum health per 100 AP per half second'. Anybody with a quarter of a functioning brain could see how ludicrous this is if you just build AP. A relatively weak 6 item AP build of 600 AP means you are doing 18% max health PER HALF SECOND, or 36% max health PER SECOND on one ability. And that's not even talking about the 710 base damage you get on your Q from 600 AP.

In addition both your punch and Q have 0.9 AP ratios on them.

So assuming you land your punch and Q, with 600 AP that means a FLAT initial damage of 1470 damage from just those 2 abilities, followed by 36% of your target's health every second.

What monkey thought this was acceptable to go live? They need to be straight fired.

**Techwarrior** · 2017-10-25, 11:23 PM (ISO 8601)

I mean... they still let Cho'gath run around stacking health... That's infinitely more of an issue.

Did you see the worlds clip of Huni one shotting a full hp Taliyah with Feast? Literally just Feast. The scream knocked off her banshee's veil and the rupture lands after she's dead.

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