Dr. Stone: Stone Age Science fiction? what the heck?

[Kato]

I'll join in : SCIENCE!

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Senku totally skips over the very invention of divorce.. In order to fix the relationship issue. And the party problem.
I wish I was better at organic chemistry so I could follow his exploits here but I will admit that I don't even understand his carbonated water generator. Didn't he have chalk already?
Also... I feel like this would make a pretty poor cola.. But if Gen is happy I won't complain.

... BTW, please someone tell me it's not entirely MY mind that thinks the last panel looks... Suggestive.
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[lord_khaine]

Omg that was hilarious!

Only Sengoku would go "then i guess.. i will need a divorce" a few minuttes after winning the hand of the gorgeous priestess and the position of chief that follows, just to get his hands on some vinegar and booze, and be able to return to work.

Also.. yes thats horrible cola.. but.. its as believeable good as the chemistry Sengoku did to make his wonder drug. This is stone age science fiction

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Also.. no.. here once you have mentioned it.. then i cant see it. You dont need to sit in that position to do that thing normally. You cut cut that into a hentai without anyone registering.

[LaZodiac]

Omg that was hilarious!

Only Sengoku would go "then i guess.. i will need a divorce" a few minuttes after winning the hand of the gorgeous priestess and the position of chief that follows, just to get his hands on some vinegar and booze, and be able to return to work.

Also.. yes thats horrible cola.. but.. its as believeable good as the chemistry Sengoku did to make his wonder drug. This is stone age science fiction

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Also.. no.. here once you have mentioned it.. then i cant see it. You dont need to sit in that position to do that thing normally. You cut cut that into a hentai without anyone registering.

Reminder that the artist for this series did...****in'...korean fight man series. Bell something or other. It has lots of porn bits in it.

[Fri]

Yes, the artist is infamous for his softcore-porn action manga, but he's also famous for his sci fi. Check his sci-fi short story manga collection "Hotel" which features the very beautiful, heartbreaking, titular short sci-fi manga (also there's a sillier sci-fi manga there about Tuna in that collection).

I can also recommend his manga "Origin," it's still somewhat fanservicey but less than his other manga, but it's a very solid sci-fi action manga about an advanced robot who tries to hide himself and live amongst human, because of his creator's final wish. It's a combination of silly sci-fi logistic series about him trying to pretend to be human (you'd feel familiar with it if you read Dr Stone), and intense action scene, because he's actually the prototype of six (or eight or whatever arbitrary number) of very advanced combat robots who are made based on him and also are trying to hide themselves but are less scrupulous about human life. So... yeah, it's megaman.

Interestingly, eventhough Boichi is korean, he's pretty much a full-fledged japanese manga artist. IIRC he lives in japan and most if not all of his manga that I know are actually published in japanese magazine?

[LaZodiac]

New chapter I missed aaaah oops sorry work in like 8 minutes fast reading go!

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They heal Ruri of her pnemonia! The end. And we finally learn the name of the village...it's Senku's last name I think? Ishigami can mean "the stone god/the doctor god". The village of science was waiting for him.

It's interesting, I just wonder what's gonna happen next!

[Kato]

New chapter I missed aaaah oops sorry work in like 8 minutes fast reading go!

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They heal Ruri of her pnemonia! The end. And we finally learn the name of the village...it's Senku's last name I think? Ishigami can mean "the stone god/the doctor god". The village of science was waiting for him.

It's interesting, I just wonder what's gonna happen next!

It just felt like there was little to say... A bit of medical discussion and the twist(?) at the end.. I didn't feel like commenting last week, sorry.
I guess I could wonder whether men and mice catch the same type of pneumonia... But eh.

[LaZodiac]

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So remember how Senku's dad sacrificed everything for him? Yeah Senku...returned that favor in spades. SPACE DAD!

And since he was off planet when the stone wave happened, he and the rest of the ISS were safe from harm. And so, the stone village was formed after he returned from space. I'm...curious as to how they got back safely (my guess is that they DIDN'T because there was no infrastructure left, which is why so much is lost). But yeah um...it's a good thing Senku divorced Ruri cause she's his great great great grand niece! Add in a few more greats though time takes awhile. Also this kills all ships Senku could have if anyone was trying to do that.

[Kato]

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So remember how Senku's dad sacrificed everything for him? Yeah Senku...returned that favor in spades. SPACE DAD!

And since he was off planet when the stone wave happened, he and the rest of the ISS were safe from harm. And so, the stone village was formed after he returned from space. I'm...curious as to how they got back safely (my guess is that they DIDN'T because there was no infrastructure left, which is why so much is lost). But yeah um...it's a good thing Senku divorced Ruri cause she's his great great great grand niece! Add in a few more greats though time takes awhile. Also this kills all ships Senku could have if anyone was trying to do that.

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It... is a bit weird we get this story only now... I mean... Damn, man, your dad is a astronaut. And nobody bothered to tell us? But otherwise it's a fun story and I have hopes we will learn something about the light soon, then.

In regards to science stuff... I think the ISS has some emergeny landing system? *check* Ah, they just keep a Soyuz capsule at hand. Stupid me. I guess they... decided to go to Japan with it? Or landed somewhere and dad walked to Japan? I guess there are still some questions open... But considering the time span it is a) likely Senku is related to EVERYONE either in the village or on Earth and b) it really does not matter in the slightest. From any biological point of view. There are so many greats in between any of his DNA is so washed thin I'm shocked they still have blonde hair, unless they had some damn strict breeding rules. Honestly, Senku should be proven wrong on that if the manga wants to keep it's scientific image.

[LaZodiac]

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It... is a bit weird we get this story only now... I mean... Damn, man, your dad is a astronaut. And nobody bothered to tell us? But otherwise it's a fun story and I have hopes we will learn something about the light soon, then.

In regards to science stuff... I think the ISS has some emergeny landing system? *check* Ah, they just keep a Soyuz capsule at hand. Stupid me. I guess they... decided to go to Japan with it? Or landed somewhere and dad walked to Japan? I guess there are still some questions open... But considering the time span it is a) likely Senku is related to EVERYONE either in the village or on Earth and b) it really does not matter in the slightest. From any biological point of view. There are so many greats in between any of his DNA is so washed thin I'm shocked they still have blonde hair, unless they had some damn strict breeding rules. Honestly, Senku should be proven wrong on that if the manga wants to keep it's scientific image.

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Well remember, the rest of the family have that weird black and blonde mix, so maybe Senku's genetics are just weird. Also given he was only an astronaut for three days before the world ended I don't think it's that bad he didn't mention it. He probably thought space people were hit by the wave as well until he saw the Naxa logo on the village.

[thethird]

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So remember how Senku's dad sacrificed everything for him? Yeah Senku...returned that favor in spades. SPACE DAD!

And since he was off planet when the stone wave happened, he and the rest of the ISS were safe from harm. And so, the stone village was formed after he returned from space. I'm...curious as to how they got back safely (my guess is that they DIDN'T because there was no infrastructure left, which is why so much is lost). But yeah um...it's a good thing Senku divorced Ruri cause she's his great great great grand niece! Add in a few more greats though time takes awhile. Also this kills all ships Senku could have if anyone was trying to do that.

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if it worked out for aragorn and arwen they will be fine

[Kato]

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Not much to say... iirc couples are actually not allowed on the iss, but I could be wrong there. Otherwise I guess nice enough even though I don't really have an idea where this is going now. But we do know where the gene pool of Isayama village Comes from... apparently they do have some rule about keeping the Idol blood line pure?

[LaZodiac]

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Not much to say... iirc couples are actually not allowed on the iss, but I could be wrong there. Otherwise I guess nice enough even though I don't really have an idea where this is going now. But we do know where the gene pool of Isayama village Comes from... apparently they do have some rule about keeping the Idol blood line pure?

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"No couples on the ISS" feels like something that they probably attempted but realized was impossible. I do think they...probably do enforce "no boning in space" though.

Yeah, it's...gonna be interesting to see how Byakuya manages to play all this out.

[Kato]

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"No couples on the ISS" feels like something that they probably attempted but realized was impossible. I do think they...probably do enforce "no boning in space" though.

Yeah, it's...gonna be interesting to see how Byakuya manages to play all this out.

Wait... why would that be impossible? I mean... honestly, why?
Also: Apparently Byakuya is going to be one sixth of humanity's gene pool. Hooray...? But now I wonder why they haven't repopulated Earth already if they were around for ... about 4000 years. At least Japan should be pretty full by then.

[LaZodiac]

Wait... why would that be impossible? I mean... honestly, why?
Also: Apparently Byakuya is going to be one sixth of humanity's gene pool. Hooray...? But now I wonder why they haven't repopulated Earth already if they were around for ... about 4000 years. At least Japan should be pretty full by then.

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You spend a year or two up in a metal box in the middle of the hell void, you either learn to never be in the same room with someone or become their best bud. Relationships are gonna propagate in space. It's like sailing only more.

And that's a good question. Maybe their community is just really insullar? Or maybe they just sucked at survival.

[Kato]

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You spend a year or two up in a metal box in the middle of the hell void, you either learn to never be in the same room with someone or become their best bud. Relationships are gonna propagate in space. It's like sailing only more.

And that's a good question. Maybe their community is just really insullar? Or maybe they just sucked at survival.

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Okay, that would be a good point but you don't spend a year in space... I think? Nah, half a year, at worst, with a few exceptions. I guess tiring but not impossible. Also, good buds are not quite a couple. Well, not always. *insert discussion about "men and women can't be friends"*

Well, they came from six astronauts, I feel they can't have been idiots... Even if they were not Senku level genius and not survival experts, they must have been decent to start with... though maybe the inbreeding did take a toll on them.
I feel like repopulating Earth and expanding would have been my main goal in their situation. And that's not a poor joke.

[lord_khaine]

Well.. as i recall.. to avoid inbreeding you need something along the line of at least 50 individuals. And thats while running a strict breeding program. Even if all 4 of the guys had a child with each of the 2 womens, then it would at most take a couple generations before siblings began to pair. Only way this would have been possible is if very early on other people began to break free of the stone curse.

[Kato]

Well.. as i recall.. to avoid inbreeding you need something along the line of at least 50 individuals. And thats while running a strict breeding program. Even if all 4 of the guys had a child with each of the 2 womens, then it would at most take a couple generations before siblings began to pair. Only way this would have been possible is if very early on other people began to break free of the stone curse.

It's 3/3, actually. And depending on how we look at half-siblings, inbreeding can be avoided for at least a while.. Sibling inbreeding can be avoided for quite a while. With 2/4 it would be far more difficult, yes, requiring definite break ups or three-people relationships. But then we could get four to eight distinct... er, gene lines (?) with no overlap. Of course once we reach grandchildren they would have to have only two grandmothers as opposed to the normal four. Then we can't avoid it, but assuming they don't have just two kids each, the next generation already has a far larger number of available grandparents.

Of course the dangers of inbreeding are usually exaggerated by cultural ideas and a healthy pair of siblings is far more likely to have healthy children than not. Long term inbreeding can go either way but if you are willing to do trial and error you should come out on top.

[Anonymouswizard]

Plus it's always possible that they managed to free some of the stone encased to boost their numbers, but never managed to get to the point where they had the resources to expand far enough to find Senku and company.

Until proven otherwise, my view is that there are other villages of a similar population that bring the local population up to a couple of hundred, but communication has broken down overt the intervening few thousand years.

[lord_khaine]

Well one of them is kinda androgene, so its a bit hard to tell. But alright, with 3 available mothers, If each of them then have a kid with each available father then they can begin with 9 different population lines. In those each line would have 4 other lines they dont share any lines with.

Of course it dont really matter. From what i could find on the matter
Article on space colonisation

Then it takes around 10.000 people to be somewhat certain of a stable beginning.
So the only scientific solution is that they have either managed to free people, or in previous generations allowed random breakthoughs to join in.

[LaZodiac]

You know maybe the inbreeding is why their as tribal as they are?

[Kato]

Well one of them is kinda androgene, so its a bit hard to tell. But alright, with 3 available mothers, If each of them then have a kid with each available father then they can begin with 9 different population lines. In those each line would have 4 other lines they dont share any lines with.

Of course it dont really matter. From what i could find on the matter
Article on space colonisation

Then it takes around 10.000 people to be somewhat certain of a stable beginning.
So the only scientific solution is that they have either managed to free people, or in previous generations allowed random breakthoughs to join in.

Which one looks androgene? The one that starts out saying the other man is their husband?
I feel we might be getting a bit off-thread and could move that into an science thread instead... but if we don't want to continue I'll at least add that yes, of course a larger population is better for all kinds of reasons, be it surviving catastrophes or genetic diversity, but we don't really have a choice here. My argument isn't related to whether a small population is btter but whether it's feasible.
It seems my google fu isn't quite up to date, as I would have expected to find some curious biologist who put a few mice in a cage and let them bang for a few generations to see what happens, I can't find anything on it.
The best I could find are a few works from a Robert C Lacy, University of Chicago, who wrote a few pieces related to genetics of endangered species, but I guess it's close enough to our problem. Though, he hasn't done any experiments on it, his outlook is much more pessimistic than mine, apparently, concerning bottlenecks in populations.
Of course a real repopulation endeavor would be exhausting in any case, even if we... well, let's say exhaust the women's ability to create as much offspring as possible, but four thousand years / 160 generations seems like a time when there could have been made some progress if they wanted to.
Or maybe the most kind assumption at least towards the scientists was, they never intended to repopulate but to cure and they failed because they never stumbled across Senku's cure. Still, it seems to me at some point their descendants would have set off on their own.

You know maybe the inbreeding is why their as tribal as they are?

You mean they just look (mostly) fine but are in fact genetically doomed to remain cavemen? Well, cavemen able to perfectly speak a 4000 year old language but still.

[lord_khaine]

No.. the small one with short hair and no visible breasts.

And yes, i were also considering long term survival. And finally found the source i had been thinking about.
Franklins 50/500 rule Link says a population needs 50 individuals for short term survival, and 500 for long term survival. Its also being contested for not being enough, but thats a minor detail.

So other people must have broken out of the stone shell earlier, the astronaouts just could not figure out why.

You mean they just look (mostly) fine but are in fact genetically doomed to remain cavemen? Well, cavemen able to perfectly speak a 4000 year old language but still.

And besides a large potion of them being closer to greek demi-gods than inbreed freaks? :P

[Kato]

No.. the small one with short hair and no visible breasts.

And yes, i were also considering long term survival. And finally found the source i had been thinking about.
Franklins 50/500 rule Link says a population needs 50 individuals for short term survival, and 500 for long term survival. Its also being contested for not being enough, but thats a minor detail.

So other people must have broken out of the stone shell earlier, the astronaouts just could not figure out why.



And besides a large potion of them being closer to greek demi-gods than inbreed freaks? :P

OK, there are three females : the diva, the one with pigtails and the, yes, short haired and not extensively busty one, who nonetheless introduced herself with something along the lines of "don't worry about my husband". Of course they might be a same-sex couple but...


Ah, that's a very nice paper. I don't have the time to read it right now and I'm much more interested in the cited works since it's more a review than a work on its own.
On a short skim I found box 2 most interesting, concerning a population of birds shrunk to about 60 but regrown up to 2000. Of course those are birds and ten times as many as our astronauts and birds but still a ray of hope.


My guess is the author did not put too much thought into that part of the story. But it's not like it's easy to predict.

[Kato]

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Well.. I kind of expected a bitt more backstory? Assuming that is the end. But honestly, I'd expect more from five astronauts in respect to scientific revival of humanity..........

[LaZodiac]

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Well.. I kind of expected a bitt more backstory? Assuming that is the end. But honestly, I'd expect more from five astronauts in respect to scientific revival of humanity..........

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Yeah the story is a little strained, but I feel like some of the details were probably lost along the years? Also I like how they make that little aside of "also Senku isn't blood related" because they want to make it very clear that Senku can be shipped with them without it being a little gross.

[Kato]

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Yeah the story is a little strained, but I feel like some of the details were probably lost along the years? Also I like how they make that little aside of "also Senku isn't blood related" because they want to make it very clear that Senku can be shipped with them without it being a little gross.

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Huh, I totally skimmed over that... did we get any prior notion of that? I wonder why they put that in... Really for the ships? Not that the shipping bit would have bothered me... considering the ratio of incest that must have happened among the six' descendants...
Also... so... who decided to leve that island after all? And why is Ishigami village were it is..

Sidenote: Girl... I appreciate music too, but I'm sure you could somehow help out to preserve it... maybe by, I don't know, effing writing it down! Also: I'm afraid I'm the only one who hesitated wen she was talking about "pleasures" even in this world..

[lord_khaine]

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I meanwhile was actually annoyed by the inclusion of Sengoku not being blood related to his father. It felt very forced to me. Like something that was only put in so that Sengoku could be shipped with the villagers.

[Braininthejar2]

Hmm.

It's not perfect, but I'll roll with that. It's implausible, but not any more than the feats of strength depicted in the same story.

And if you're going to try repopulating the Earth from an insufficiently large group, a bunch of highly diverse individuals fit enough to be astronauts is the best you could hope for.

[Jayngfet]

I think the obvious thing people are forgetting is that there were several towns displayed and odds are those weren't actually the only six people this whole time. It's entirely possible other people either came from stone, somehow didn't petrify, or were somehow woken up by other means.

[Kato]

I think the obvious thing people are forgetting is that there were several towns displayed and odds are those weren't actually the only six people this whole time. It's entirely possible other people either came from stone, somehow didn't petrify, or were somehow woken up by other means.

Which "several towns"? I mean, no, it's not unlikely some other people were as lucky as senku and got accidentally revived by nature; and some might have avoided petrification somehow, albeit we have no indication how that could be possible, as far as I can recall we have seen no indication of settlements apart from the village.