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Thread: Firefox Quantum
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2017-11-20, 03:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Firefox Quantum
That just reinforces veti's point. If Mozilla really are so slack in their testing regimen that they never test their browser non-maximised then there's something very wrong. Also, would need a [citation needed] on your "most people have the browser window maximized"? At least two people in this thread (myself and veti) do not. I don't know veti's reasons for that, but mine are quite simple--I need to be able to see other things onscreen at the same time as the browser window, especially when I'm at work, and I don't have (or desire) two monitors.
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2017-11-20, 07:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-11-20, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Firefox Quantum
Again though; it went through a lot of testing over at least a year if not more. And it fits me like a glove. But again they're going more mainstream with their interface; the button size and window placement etc matches both Chrome and Edge.
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2017-11-21, 06:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Firefox Quantum
NoScript finally released for Firefox 57. UI has changed somewhat, though.
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2017-11-21, 11:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Firefox Quantum
And it's lost of a lot of the functionality it used to have, specifically it's having the same issues that the new gestures addon is where it won't work on some pages because the new FF version disables addons on them.
Really I just don't get Quantum. I understand you want speed and security, but if you're sacrificing usability and functionality to get there...well then you're getting rid of a lot of your market to serve a few. Based on the way things have been going with addons it looks like I'm going to have to move away from core FF because it can no longer do what I need it to do, and that's really quite sad. Why would anyone think it was a good idea to remove functionality in the new version of your browser? Seems very backwards to me. The reason FF was my primary browser for years was because it could do everything I wanted a browser to do. Now it can't...and that's kind of sad.
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2017-11-21, 02:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Firefox Quantum
I get that. I don't get what you need it to do, but I get the frustration.
I NEED my browser to do the following:
1. Correctly display homepages
...And that's it.
I WANT my browser to also do:
2. Be reasonably safe
3. Allow for addons to block ads
4. Allow for addons to improve life, such as better controlling Youtube
Again, that's it. When it comes to basic security I trust the combination of my IP:s hardware firewall, my router's hardware firewall and my computer's software firewall in conjunction with a good DNS servce and a good anti-virus/anti-malware program. Adding additional security in the actual browser is a bonus, but if it gets annoying the functionality will be removed immediately.Last edited by Avilan the Grey; 2017-11-21 at 02:10 PM.
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2017-11-21, 02:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Entirely fair. That's why multiple browsers is great, because everyone can get what they want. I've recommended Chrome to many people who just wanted a simple browser, because it's not as bloated as (pre-57) FF and it gets the job done. Now I can recommend Quantum to them, but I've also lost the browser I used to use, the one that let users customize it to their heart's content. I suppose it was to be expected, it kind of started with them pulling the addon bar suddenly and without warning, but it's sad to see the browser that used to be the customizer's dream become just another Chrome. We already have Chrome, why do we need FF to be Chrome as well?
I want a browser that can save pages and easily access those saved pages, like FF 56 with Scrapbook. One that has full gesture support (like Chrome does, but not the cut-down 'works on some pages but not others' stuff Quantum has right now). And one that lets me disable all scripts on sites I don't visit that often so I don't have to deal with popup ads and annoyances that someone thought would be just 'so cool' to put on their page while I'm just trying to read. FF 56 was capable of all of that, and 57 isn't.
But hey, there's probably a browser out there I can use (I've heard of two spinoffs from FF 52, so will have to look into those). Just means moving further away from the mainstream browser to get what I need. It just irks me to see every browser becoming Chrome, first MS did it with Edge (although in that case IE did need to do something) and now FF has done it with Quantum. Chrome isn't even that great of a browser, why does every browser company want to become it?
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2017-11-21, 03:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Waterfox - which I have literally just switched to - IS basically Firefox, but a 64-bit version and it's at v55 a week or two ago. (So you can even import your stuff and stuff like Classic Theme Restorer (and theorhetically some, but not all of your addons) will function.
I've gone and asked them whether they plan to "upgrade" (sic) to v57 eventually (with all that that entails), but in the immediate short term, Waterfox seems like the best option.
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2017-11-21, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Firefox Quantum
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2017-11-21, 06:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-11-21, 07:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Firefox Quantum
I loved Firefox's tab groups, and when they removed it, I had an extension to download. Unfortunately, the Tab Groups extension is no longer functional. I'm wondering if anyone here has any suggested extensions similar to Tab Group - I've been searching around, and I haven't really found anything, but I figured it couldn't hurt to ask.
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2017-11-21, 09:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Firefox Quantum
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2017-11-22, 01:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-11-23, 04:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Firefox Quantum is so buggy for me it's nearly unusable. New tabs frequently fail to display anything at all. I thought that maybe it was a bad interaction with NoScript, but I turned the extension off for a bit and it didn't fix anything. Is anybody else seeing behaviour like this?
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2017-11-23, 04:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Firefox Quantum
I don't, or I wouldn't have started this thread.
It does sound like my wife's issues with the last version of firefox. We never really got to the bottom of what was causing it before she got a new computer and on that one it worked. Sorry I can't be more helpful; the only thing I can say for sure is that it might not be version specific but something else.Blizzard Battletag: UnderDog#21677
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2017-11-23, 05:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Firefox Quantum
You all need to turn off updates. Turn them off and leave them off. If you're satisfied with your browser than you don't need updates.
And also switch to the Pale Moon fork and abandon regular Firefox
http://www.palemoon.org/Last edited by Bohandas; 2017-11-23 at 05:16 PM.
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2017-11-23, 06:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Firefox Quantum
From what I've seen of it, it is slightly faster at rendering Javascript applications than previous versions but it is still significantly slower than Chrome at rendering Javascript.
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2017-11-23, 07:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Firefox Quantum
Well, that's been Mozilla's aim since AT LEAST Australis (what, 29?). (Really, their UI has been on a downward spiral since the version-boosting started around 4, apart from moving stuff from pop-ups into tabs). ESR versions, CTR and S4E kept me going until this point. No more. Quantum is the last straw.
I still have ESR 52, but I'm trying out Waterfox right now (although I'm concerned about its longevity since only one guy seems to be working on it) and side-eyeing Pale Moon. With the crippled add-on support, Quantum is useless to me. If I want Chrome, I'll use... well, Chromium or Vivaldi, but close enough.
[Oh, and FF Android 57 also forces white theme with no dark option, except in Private Browsing. Yay...]Last edited by Reboot; 2017-11-23 at 07:20 PM.
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2017-11-24, 02:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Firefox Quantum
That's extremely dangerous from a security point of view. Keeping OS & browser up to date is the single most important thing you can do to keep your computer safe. (Yes, more important than an anti-virus program.)
If you're running an old version of Firefox, I promise you the hackers have figured out many, many ways to corrupt it and make it download their ransomware / keylogger / redirection tool / whatever. The maker of Firefox have fixed most of those but... you're choosing not get those fixes.
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2017-11-25, 04:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Firefox Quantum
To each his or her own. This is the best UI for firefox yet, IMHO.
Still not sure why they insist on the separate search bar, since you have been able to use the main adress bar for search for years though.
Edit: Huh, apparently it is not supposed to be enabled by default, but mine was. Maybe because I'm on the Beta release channel.Last edited by Avilan the Grey; 2017-11-25 at 04:24 AM.
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2017-11-25, 06:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Firefox Quantum
I have a separate search bar as well and I've never touched beta versions of Firefox--I think it's more likely they decided to keep it separate for people who upgraded from earlier versions, rather than installing 57 clean, so that they didn't get as many "Where's the search bar gone?" questions.
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2017-11-26, 03:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Firefox Quantum
The issue with using the main address bar for search is that if you have that enabled, every keystroke you enter into it gets sent immediately to Google. Even if you paste a complete URL straight into the address bar, Google (or your favoured search provider) gets it within milliseconds.
Some people, me included, find that troubling from a privacy point of view. So Mozilla, wisely I think, gives you the option not to do it. (Unlike Chrome, which is all about sending as much information to Google as humanly possible.)"None of us likes to be hated, none of us likes to be shunned. A natural result of these conditions is, that we consciously or unconsciously pay more attention to tuning our opinions to our neighbor’s pitch and preserving his approval than we do to examining the opinions searchingly and seeing to it that they are right and sound." - Mark Twain
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2017-11-26, 06:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Firefox Quantum
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2017-11-27, 12:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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