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2017-11-03, 04:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1104 - The Discussion Thread
V would've had three 8th spells. One of which must be an Evocation spell because of specialization.
If V is casting a second Mind Blank, the Evocation is the one lost to level drain.
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2017-11-03, 04:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1104 - The Discussion Thread
And next we find that Elan learned "mass cure moderate wounds" and was just waiting the most dramatically appropriate moment to reveal it.
"yeah, I honestly don't know why I'm even surprised"
which make sense, because if Elan have at least 22 in Charisma (probable) he have a bonus slot at 6th level, and I don't think we have ever seen him using a 6th level spell, and considering his new role as party healer MCMW is perfectly logical choice (even by Elan's standard).
And 2d8 + 16 damage can fry a good number of spawn.I don't make the crazy rules, I just twist them to my purpose
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2017-11-03, 04:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1104 - The Discussion Thread
What gets me is the "I understand"
Its the same sentence Roy used to the Xykon is feeling chilly today uttered by V. -> http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0928.html
So yes I think that they (hopefully) will surprise us next strip or so ...
PLUS I still think Mind blank will be used for something else.
Screw the giant's remarks about me fitting my assumptions to his text and not vice versa!!
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PS dammit (s)he really cast a spell with purple aura - no less ... :(Last edited by schmunzel; 2017-11-03 at 04:16 PM.
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2017-11-03, 04:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-11-03, 04:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1104 - The Discussion Thread
I think I understood that once - but now I've forgotten what I thought it meant. Hell freezing over?
I think that you're right and that he cast a silent spell of some sort and just said Mind Blank. Thus his 8th level spell is still available.
Not sure if it will be if he's saving the 8th level one for later. It would be v. (pun intended) anticlimactic to break out a surprise.... 'Mind Blank' Wooo...
But, you know, I've been wrong before.
A lot.
I'm starting to recognise the signs.
It's when I post. Or speak. Or write something somewhere. Or think my wife's birthday is tomorrow.Last edited by Caractacus; 2017-11-03 at 04:47 PM.
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2017-11-03, 04:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1104 - The Discussion Thread
I'm hoping this leads into something interesting, since they're systematically dismissing or countering some of the more obvious strategies that the Order might employ.
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2017-11-03, 04:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1104 - The Discussion Thread
How was he not the last to fall? Everyone else on panel is dead and Sandstone is desperately firing off a spell as he dies; in the next comic, which appears to continue immediately afterward, the vampires act as though all the clerics etc. are dead.
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2017-11-03, 05:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Mind Blank was cast on-panel just now, so no, it won't be used for something else, nor has it been used for something else.
Roy has been Mind Blanked. I actually somewhat agree with this, given that Durkon* has a personal beef with him.
Thoughts on Brother Sandstone: Did he get a chance to rest and regain spells? Mass Resist Fire doesn't exactly seem like the kind of spell one just prepares in the course of his regular duties, especially since it's such a choice fit for a vampire leading a group of spawn against a known wizard.
Secondly, it seems like all of the spawn in the area are answering to his orders, but it doesn't really seem like he could have turned any of them himself. It kind of seems like this one might be free-willed, or granted enough leeway/authority to plan that it's essentially the same.Even the wind will know agony.
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2017-11-03, 06:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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See above for forumers discussing the possibility of casting something while stating something else. Though if whatever they do to get out of this does not involve V having casted something secretely here I will accept that Roy has just been MB'd.
The vampires attacked before dusk, since vampires clerics of Hel pray for spells at dusk I'd say Fangstone has all of his spells slots (except the one he just used) filled and ready for action.
Brother Sandstone seemed to be the highest-level fighter / highest authority present here so the Creature Preacher would naturally make him leader of this squad.Last edited by Fyraltari; 2017-11-03 at 06:18 PM.
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Re: OOTS #1104 - The Discussion Thread
The glaring complication I see there is that Roy's eyes are open, and the vampires outside the forcecage don't really have anything better to do than try dominating someone. If Vaarsuvius did cast a spell without a verbal component (either natively or via Silent Spell) while saying "mind blank", it's either a
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2017-11-03, 07:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1104 - The Discussion Thread
We don't know if Elan is high enough level yet. We do know that he can cast Mass Cure Light Wounds - which is 1d8+CL. As vampire spawn have 26 hit points on average, that might not be enough on it's own... if V's Quickened Fireball manages to deal some damage to the spawn, maybe Elan's spell could finish them off.
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Re: OOTS #1104 - The Discussion Thread
As we've seen in the past, this isn't the first time Roy's been far too cocky about announcing his plans out in the open - a key example being the part where he dismissively talked about how they were only telling half-truths to Shojo about pursuing a known associate of Xykon when they went hunting for Julia in front of Shojo's wizard. I will say that it's nice to see reality finally set in for Roy for once. Now all we have to do contrive a scene where he directly finds out about the risks of not listening to NPCs and we're set.
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2017-11-03, 08:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1104 - The Discussion Thread
"I still get to make Listen checks when I'm three feet away, you know."
Roy should have remembered that.
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2017-11-03, 08:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ah, yes, another good one. I'd forgotten about that.
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2017-11-03, 09:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1104 - The Discussion Thread
A possibility that defies the entire rest of the page (like Roy opening his eyes and taking for granted that he has Mind Blank on when determining the rest of their tactics).
I guess it's my bad for forgetting that if the spell being cast on-panel isn't concrete, me stating the obvious isn't either.Last edited by Chei; 2017-11-03 at 09:07 PM.
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2017-11-03, 09:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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I was laughing so hard at this comic my grandmother got worried. The arrogance of heroes assuming the foes right in front of them can't hear what they are saying never gets old. In fact I've really enjoyed the last three comics a lot. I'll be curious to see how they get out of this one in time.
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2017-11-03, 10:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1104 - The Discussion Thread
You're missing the argument being presented. Assume Mind Blank was not cast, and a separate spell with either no verbal component or a Silent spell was cast instead, while Back simply stated "Mind Blank." The vampires now take for granted that Roy has Mind Blank, and wouldn't waste their time trying to dominate him, thus saving V his Mind Blank spell and spell slot.
Not saying I agree or disagree with it, but Roy opening his eyes is not proof one way or the other against this argument.Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2017-11-03, 11:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1104 - The Discussion Thread
Well, two things.
First, Roy has a decent enough Will that, even if Mind Blank wasn't actually cast, he's not liable to blow the errant check before closing his eyes again. A coordinated volley of saves might work, but not the one or two he's liable to be hit with by curious vampires.
Second, we've already had foreshadowing that people don't just have to announce what they're doing, at various times, throughout the comic. Comedic ones, but still.
Third, Roy was cut off when saying "when you drop the cage, cast it on...", but casting Fireball on someone doesn't make sense, given that the radius is such that it will absolutely hit everyone in the entire combat.
So it's entirely plausible that he was faking out the bad guys then.