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    Do you need a plan beyond being massively OP on your home soil? Plus, the entire war is on his soil
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    Because as soon as he looses that advantage he basically just rolls over to die.

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    Because as soon as he looses that advantage he basically just rolls over to die.
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    I did finish it yes, and i do know that he loses that boost when he enters the hanging garden. Im honestly amazed he loses that much power once he leaves, cuz holy crap did he get nailed with the nerf bat. Which is shocking as hes a very high rank Lancer right up there with Karna, but its like he suddenly got weaker than Diarmund.
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    I did finish it yes, and i do know that he loses that boost when he enters the hanging garden. Im honestly amazed he loses that much power once he leaves, cuz holy crap did he get nailed with the nerf bat. Which is shocking as hes a very high rank Lancer right up there with Karna, but its like he suddenly got weaker than Diarmund.
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    Finish it? Isn't it still ongoing?

    I suppose it could be down to being on the Hanging Gardens counting as an invading action which goes against his legend as a defending hero meaning he gets a big hit to his abilities.

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    Finish it? Isn't it still ongoing?

    I suppose it could be down to being on the Hanging Gardens counting as an invading action which goes against his legend as a defending hero meaning he gets a big hit to his abilities.
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    I mean finish as in the context of me having watched all the English episodes.

    Also that has to be it, cuz he suddenly became the weakest Servant on the field.
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    What was Vlads plan apart from being massively OP while on home soil?
    To wear Karna out until the point he either needs to retreat, and Vlad can clean up the Red Faction, or Karna's master dies from Karna's ridiculous mana cost and thus defeats Karna as well.

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    I mean finish as in the context of me having watched all the English episodes.

    Also that has to be it, cuz he suddenly became the weakest Servant on the field.
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    Vlad suffers from a few problems in the War that you don't really see up until his demise.

    1. He has a frankly OBSCENE bonus to his power because he was summoned practically a stone's throw from his actual castle and the sheer adoration the people have for him.

    2. His Demonic Defender of the State ability gives him ANOTHER big boost so long as he is within his kingdom.

    With a combination of those two buffs, Vlad is a massively powerful Servant with a dangerous NP that according to other materials could match up to Artoria summoned in Britain or Heracles summoned in Greece. Its what makes him one of the most powerful servants in the Black Faction and deservedly so, when Darnic says they can't lose the war so long as Vlad is on the field he's not exaggerating by very much. Darnic isn't taking into account the servants the Red Faction has summoned (like Rider of Red and Karna) but he's still righti n the sense that Vlad is a big trump card. However this all leads to fact number three...

    3. Vlad going to the Hanging Gardens to lead the Black Faction on to claim the Greater Grail deprived him of BOTH of those buffs at the same time and Vlad didn't realize cause both are passive skills and he assumed the Gardens would still count as his territory when they very much don't.

    Vlad, without those buffs, is a decent servant but really only comes into his own when he uses Legend of Dracula Noble Phantasm, which he hates. And Karna is so ridiculously powerful that its an honest question about who would win a fight between him and Gilgamesh. So in other words, we see Vlad at his absolute best without using Legend of Dracula fighting for the majority of Part One when in reality he's around the same level as the rest of his faction (minus Siegfried). Mostly because when he DOES use Legend of Dracula, as we see, he's capable of fighting five other Servants at the same time and not be blatantly losing which is damn impressive!

    He seems like the weakest servant on the field after going to the Gardens (he's not, but that's beside the point) but the fact is you just get a false impression of his 'normal' strength for all of Part One.
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    As someone who just watched this on Netflix without having any context about the other Fate series (only became aware that this was part of an ongoing continuity when I went to google things), I must say this felt a bit incoherent.

    Part of that is obviously that I am missing a lot of background knowledge, but it also seems like developing 30-ish characters (7 masters + 7 servants on each side + Sieg and Jeanne d'Arc) in 12 episodes was maybe a bit much.

    Regardless, I liked the fighting scenes and the mythological/historical nods so I'll probably watch the second season when it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Swift View Post
    As someone who just watched this on Netflix without having any context about the other Fate series (only became aware that this was part of an ongoing continuity when I went to google things), I must say this felt a bit incoherent.

    Part of that is obviously that I am missing a lot of background knowledge, but it also seems like developing 30-ish characters (7 masters + 7 servants on each side + Sieg and Jeanne d'Arc) in 12 episodes was maybe a bit much.

    Regardless, I liked the fighting scenes and the mythological/historical nods so I'll probably watch the second season when it comes out.
    I can see how it would be a bit strange to walk into if you haven't experienced another Fate series before. This show kind of takes for granted that viewers will be familiar with the concept of the Holy Grail War, the master/servant relationship, and the different servant classes.

    If you would like to change that, Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works are both also on Netflix. Both are also quite good, though I would recommend Zero first since a) it's a prequel to UBW, and b) it's my favorite.

    Also, none of the characters have names as stupid as "Yggdmillennia," so there's that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Swift View Post
    As someone who just watched this on Netflix without having any context about the other Fate series (only became aware that this was part of an ongoing continuity when I went to google things), I must say this felt a bit incoherent.

    Part of that is obviously that I am missing a lot of background knowledge, but it also seems like developing 30-ish characters (7 masters + 7 servants on each side + Sieg and Jeanne d'Arc) in 12 episodes was maybe a bit much.

    Regardless, I liked the fighting scenes and the mythological/historical nods so I'll probably watch the second season when it comes out.
    This is not a good entry point into the Fate series; this is the weird remix what-if Earth 44 where Superman was raised by Lex Luthor. I second the Fate Zero recommendation, it's excellent and a prequel and sets up a lot of the stuff subsequently discussed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanqol View Post
    This is not a good entry point into the Fate series; this is the weird remix what-if Earth 44 where Superman was raised by Lex Luthor. I second the Fate Zero recommendation, it's excellent and a prequel and sets up a lot of the stuff subsequently discussed.
    I wouldn't say that Zero sets up much of anything for Apocrypha but it does a very good job (arguably a better job than UBW) of establishing the very setting that Apocrypha takes place in. Or at least the basic fundamentals of it with the first few episodes of Apocrypha telling you how this series (Apocrypha) is different from a normal Holy Grail War and the normal setting for Fate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Swift View Post
    As someone who just watched this on Netflix without having any context about the other Fate series (only became aware that this was part of an ongoing continuity when I went to google things), I must say this felt a bit incoherent.

    Part of that is obviously that I am missing a lot of background knowledge, but it also seems like developing 30-ish characters (7 masters + 7 servants on each side + Sieg and Jeanne d'Arc) in 12 episodes was maybe a bit much.

    Regardless, I liked the fighting scenes and the mythological/historical nods so I'll probably watch the second season when it comes out.
    Oh you will enjoy Apocrypha so much more if you watch Fate Zero now prior to waiting for months for Season 2 of Fate Apocrypha to come out.

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    Speaking as a huge Fate fanboy who can go on and on, if you are going to be anime only please just watch Fate Zero for it is so good and a great starting point if you are going to be anime only.

    Fate Apocrypha is an alternate 4th grail war while Fate Zero is the 4th grail war in the main FSN story universe.

    Now Fate Zero is the prequel that takes place 10 years prior to something called Fate Stay Night (the original story), and FSN is actually 3 stories for what happens 10 years later could happen 3 different ways (and thus 3 different animes) well...FORGET ALL THIS ABOUT FSN...I tell you this for Fate fans who are not me can scare people off the franchise with how confusing we are speaking of these secret mysteries of things called different routes and different time lines and so on.

    Instead Rejoice watch Fate Zero, fall in love with it, and then realize you got 3 more wonderful animes to watch after that so rejoice for the story expands.

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    And after watching Fate Zero decide due you want to wait more months for Apocrypha or instead watch the FSN animes.
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    Thanks for the recommendations everyone, guess I'm off to watch Fate Zero then!

    Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works are both also on Netflix.
    That's probably American Netflix only then, as neither show up over here in Europe. Not really a problem, as there are other ways of watching it, just slightly less convenient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramza00 View Post
    Fate Apocrypha is an alternate 4th grail war while Fate Zero is the 4th grail war in the main FSN story universe.
    Is it the 4th? I've been under the impression it was an alternate 5th grail war.


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    That's probably American Netflix only then, as neither show up over here in Europe. Not really a problem, as there are other ways of watching it, just slightly less convenient.
    Ah, that didn't occur to me. I'm used to thinking of what Netflix doesn't have in the US (like the new Star Trek) rather than the other way around. Didn't even occur to me that you might not be able to access it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velaryon View Post
    Is it the 4th? I've been under the impression it was an alternate 5th grail war.
    FSN 5th grail war takes place in 2004, and Fate Zero 4th grail war takes place in 1994.

    Fate Apocrypha is the 4th grail war of its timeline and we do not know what year. Most likely in the 2000s based off cameos, but we also have a character saying he has been preparing 60 years since the 3rd grail war. In the FSN continuity the 3rd grail war took place sometime during the 1930s. Honestly the year number of Apocrypha that makes sense is probably closer to 2004 than 1994 but no definite year is given and it is loose and fast with timelines.

    Thematically the 15 servant holy grail war of Apocrypha has a lot more in common with Fate Zero a a story than FSN. Thus my comments it is an alternate 4th grail war for it is literally the 4th grail war of its timeline, and story wise it is more similar to zero.
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    So the lesson of Fate/A is always be yourself, unless you can be a dragon. Then be the dragon.
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    The 2nd and Final Season / Cour of Fate Apocrypha will be entering Netflix (coming to the States) on Feb 9th.

    So that is 4 weeks, 28 days from now.
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    So the lesson of Fate/A is always be yourself, unless you can be a dragon. Then be the dragon.
    Yes, yes it is.
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