Incredibles 2: Well, he'll look fabulous anyway!

[Ramza00]

The Incredibles 2 is in theaters June 15, 2018.^USA

That is only 6 months away 6 months and 28 days away!

[The Glyphstone]

Oh yes. All of the yes.

[Ramza00]

Oh yes. All of the yes.

2017 may not get any worse, but their is still beauty and justice at the end of the tunnel!



Bring on 2018!!!

[Blackhawk748]

Please don't screw this up, Please don't screw this up, Please don't screw this up, Please don't screw this up, Please don't screw this up, Please don't screw this up, Please don't screw this up, Please don't screw this up....

[Palanan]

The Force is strong with this one.



Search your feelings...you know it to be true.

[No brains]

I don't know... if we fall from The Incredibles down into Superbabies: Baby Geniuses 2 territory, that will be the greatest fall in all of mythology. Those winged guys will feel better about themselves.

[Scowling Dragon]

People dont understand craft. They just eat like pigs. Pearls before swine I guess.

The Incredibles did not need a sequel. Its themes where well done, action, characters, and elements perfectly executed. Anything now would only undermine the first movie.

Pearls before swine. We have the industries we deserve.

[Douglas]

People dont understand craft. They just eat like pigs. Pearls before swine I guess.

The Incredibles did not need a sequel. Its themes where well done, action, characters, and elements perfectly executed. Anything now would only undermine the first movie.

Pearls before swine. We have the industries we deserve.

It's been 13 years since The Incredibles was released, and this still has a lot of the production cycle to go through too. If they just wanted to cash in on the popularity of the first movie, they've had plenty of time for that before now. I have a vague memory of seeing a quote years ago that Incredibles 2 wasn't in the works at all because they didn't have an idea for it that was good enough, too.

After this much time, and if my memory of that quote is accurate, if Incredibles 2 is in production now then there's a good chance that it's because they now have a good idea for it. With that and Pixar's track record, I'm optimistic about this and curious about what they came up with.

[Scowling Dragon]

It's been 13 years since The Incredibles was released, and this still has a lot of the production cycle to go through too. If they just wanted to cash in on the popularity of the first movie, they've had plenty of time for that before now. I have a vague memory of seeing a quote years ago that Incredibles 2 wasn't in the works at all because they didn't have an idea for it that was good enough, too.

Im sure thats exactly why they made Finding Dory 2, Monsters Inc 2 and are working on Cars 3.

At best its pointless.

[Kantaki]

It's been 13 years since The Incredibles was released,

Has it really been that long?
Well, now I feel old.

But I'm definitely optimistic about the sequel until I see a reason to think otherwise.
The Incredibles is one of my favourite superhero stories and seeing more of it sounds great.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Im sure thats exactly why they made Finding Dory 2, Monsters Inc 2 and are working on Cars 3.

At best its pointless.

No, it's the reason why they made Toy Story 2 and 3.

Rejecting a sequel based on the argument that "most sequels are cash-grabs" is faulty logic at its worst. Yes, 90% of all sequels are crap. But if you are going to extrapolate that to be 100%, then I would suggest that you never watch films ever again, because 90% of all films are crap. Sequels are not special in that regard.

Grey Wolf

[Traab]

I have to admit im very curious to see what the incredibles world will be like. Its been awhile, but iirc heroes and bad guys are back at the end of the first film. So will this maybe be something like the fantastic four and dealing with bad guys trying to steal their super baby? After all, little franklin jack jack seems pretty strong.

[Scowling Dragon]

Rejecting a sequel based on the argument that "most sequels are cash-grabs" is faulty logic at its worst.

Then what kind of logic is it at its best?

No Im making that extrapolation because I have been finding Pixars output mediocre at best the last 6 years, and In general sequels made with a 13 year difference tend to be the worst sequels. Toy story 3 is now 7 years old.
On top of that you don't understand craft. A good work of art isn't this burger you just shove down your gullet one after another until you puke. Its a self-contained experience. Some stories I can say benefit from sequels, whilst others don't.

Good stories aren't just good by what they tell you, but also what they don't tell you because more information serves to unbalance the creation. Even if its good execution, its not good in the whole context of the story.

In general character arcs in films are about the most INTENSE moments of their lives. Some major change brought about by circumstance, and how they dealt with those changes. The reason they don't show you what happens after "And they lived happily ever after" is because the idea would be that anything after that would be less exciting then what happened before. The character had grown and changed, and you had witnissed that change. Either the sequel would be a pretty simple A->B affair that serves as nothing but padding that serves to just make the whole experience more bloated (Since often enough its designed in such a way to leave it off to be satisfying to the imagination, that your imagination will be channeled in such a way to be more interesting then whatever they can come up with) , or the worse thing:

It would have to start undermining the elements that came before. By the virtue of just raising the intensity point again to the same level as before (Or Higher) it already undermines the notion that the characters had successfully overcome, making whatever sacrifices or achievements that came before lessened or pointless.
I like certain ongoing series, but those are designed that way from the start. They are either designed to have character growth on a slow burn, or just entertaining on a episode by episode basis.

The Incredibles is not such a movie, and I have been yet convinced that it any way would benefit from an additional hour tacked on the end.

[Ramza00]

On top of that you don't understand craft. A good work of art isn't this burger you just shove down your gullet one after another until you puke. Its a self-contained experience. Some stories I can say benefit from sequels, whilst others don't.

Eat some turkey scowling dragon and be quiet.

People can disagree with you about craft for there is not only a single ideal way of making good craft. There was not a single god of music and inspiration with the Greeks --it is the muses as in plural not a single muse-- and the other cultures, I can post long winded thousand of years arguments between different "experts of craft" where said experts disagree on the best way to tell a story.

The best thing about your arguement is this though ironically, the way to "beat your arguement" is to tell a good story in a way that is counter to your premises and said stories happen all the time. So lets reverse the question what are sequels that demonstrated their own ability to tell a good story even though in your opinion the story ended in the first tale?

[Douglas]

It would have to start undermining the elements that came before. By the virtue of just raising the intensity point again to the same level as before (Or Higher) it already undermines the notion that the characters had successfully overcome, making whatever sacrifices or achievements that came before lessened or pointless.
I like certain ongoing series, but those are designed that way from the start. They are either designed to have character growth on a slow burn, or just entertaining on a episode by episode basis.

The Incredibles is not such a movie, and I have been yet convinced that it any way would benefit from an additional hour tacked on the end.

So your objection is about the main characters' development arcs? What if the sequel focuses on a different character, or a vastly different kind of challenge? The teaser seems to be hinting that it will have a heavy focus on Jack Jack, who was almost ignored for the whole first movie. That's both a switch to a new focus character and the family having to deal with a superpowered baby, which is a very different kind of challenge from the school-age behavior issues and fighting a supervillain from The Incredibles. I'm sure there will be supervillains to be fought, but that could easily be more of a background "this is just how everyday life is now" thing.

[Kantaki]

Meh. If „understanding craft” means taking Scowling Dragon's hate everything preemptively approach I'll pass.
That much negativity can't be healthy.

And I mean sure, Sharknado... whatever number they're at is unlikely to be gold- mostly cause the movie it's based on isn't -but using that as the base to judge... lets say... The Empire Strikes Back without watching it would mean you miss a pretty good movie.

As my grandparents used to say (To get me to try eating new stuff. When I was young enough to occasionally be manipulated by comments like that.) „For every time you try something new you live one day longer.”.

Also something about farmers not eating what they don't know.
Both are originally about food, but I think they're pretty fitting here as well.

[Scowling Dragon]

Meh. If „understanding craft” means taking Scowling Dragon's hate everything preemptively approach I'll pass.

Ignorance is bliss afterall. You can ignore that Chicken Nuggets contain hair product ingredients (And is only about 50% meat) but that doesn't make them not contain it.

And I find it rich that your talking about "trying new things" ABOUT A SEQUEL.

So your objection is about the main characters' development arcs?

No my objection is to when a story is finished so you destroy their previous arcs because you don't get the concept of a finish.

Star Wars started out as a story about how Luke overcame the seemingly impossible odds of the Empire. Now its a story about how all his sacrifices where in vain and how the Empire can reconstitute itself 20 times stronger on a whim even from a splinter faction.

Unless you don't think about it, and only concentrate on the second to second explosions and gags, the overall theming and structure as been lost for instance.
Nobody here has even mentioned how The Incredibles would even benefit from a sequel, only the insistance to not think too hard.

What you listed is what to me falls under " pointless padding filler". The Indredibles was about more then just literally what was seen on screen. The school "Life" issues had to deal with social problems and fell under themes of exceptionalism, family dynamics, and social conciousness. Public perception, inadequacy, helplessness in society. The followup to that being:
"Now watch the established characters deal with-A magic Baby!" again does in no way inspire confidence, as its one of the classic "We have no ideas" tropes as a story focus (Jack Jack existed in the first movie but was not the focus).

[Reddish Mage]

The school "Life" issues had to deal with social problems and fell under themes of exceptionalism, family dynamics, and social conciousness. Public perception, inadequacy, helplessness in society.

The followup to that being:
"Now watch the established characters deal with-A magic Baby!" again does in no way inspire confidence, as its one of the classic "We have no ideas" tropes as a story focus (Jack Jack existed in the first movie but was not the focus).

Magic baby out of control is a indeed a cliche, but I think we need more than a pre-trailer to conclude that is the entirety of the movie. Indeed, Jack Jack embodied that trope in the first movie, and did it incredibly.

[Lethologica]

" pointless padding filler"

As good a description of your one-note commentary as any. But apparently it's very important to you to let us all know what ignorant swine we are.

[Future Sword]

and are working on Cars 3.

Cars 3 came out months ago, dude.

Ignorance is bliss, after all. You can ignore that Chicken Nuggets contain hair product ingredients (And are only about 50% meat), but that doesn't make them not contain it.

Yep. Every single brand of chicken nuggets contains exactly 50% meat, as well as "hair product ingredients". Chicken nuggets are a monolithic food, with universal ingredients, regulated by extremely-strict laws.

This all seems well-informed and above the level, yessir.

[Ramza00]

Cars 3 came out months ago, dude.

Nods Cars 3 came out in theaters in the US June 16, 2017 and in specific markets even earlier in May 2017. The Bluray and DVD came out Nov 7, 2017.

And the thing I care more about the CinemaSins for Cars 3 came out today. (I really never cared for Cars 1 and stop caring Cars with Cars 2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nlo2ekTRvI

97 sins, described in 14 mins

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Sidenote, it infuriates me John Lasseter's passion project was greenlight with Cars ^{(oh yeah John Lasseter is in the news, he is stepping down from Pixar and Disney due to "missteps" but really will not announce what the missteps are, other news sources that are not disney press release imply it is creepy touching, groping, hugs).} and we get 2 sequels to Cars, yet John Musker and Ron Clements passion project with Treasure Planet was sabotage by the execs in 2002 (note the execs who sabotage it are not the same execs who initially green-light Treasure Planet for the late 90s and early 2000s of disney is really messy and there are different teams in charge of Disney during those years.)

[DomaDoma]

As Pixar is, indeed, now stooping to the cheap cash-in, and as the trailer had all of ten seconds of movie footage, I'll give this one the detriment of the doubt. But I would love to be able to change my mind.

[Ramza00]

As Pixar is, indeed, now stooping to the cheap cash-in, and as the trailer had all of ten seconds of movie footage, I'll give this one the detriment of the doubt. But I would love to be able to change my mind.

It is a Teaser Trailer, it is not supposed to show much if any footage from the movie. Compare this to the 2004 Incredibles Teaser Trailer



Note none of these scenes appeared in the final movie for Incredibles.

[DomaDoma]

...Huh. And that really bears no relation to the movie itself, other than the fact that it involves an over-the-hill superhero with a wife who does housewifely things. Okay, perhaps the new teaser trailer is similarly there just to inform us that the movie exists, and we are really in the dark otherwise.

[Renegade Paladin]

...Huh. And that really bears no relation to the movie itself, other than the fact that it involves an over-the-hill superhero with a wife who does housewifely things. Okay, perhaps the new teaser trailer is similarly there just to inform us that the movie exists, and we are really in the dark otherwise.

Congratulations, you have successfully grasped the entire point of a teaser.

[Traab]

I mean, just the fact that jack jack was 95% of the entire teaser is enough to let us know he is going to be a main focus of the film. All that remains is to guess HOW. Is it crazy magic baby and trying to contain the chaos he causes? Is it going to be supervillains trying to capture super baby for a wide variety of reasons? Is it going to be the incredibles trying to fight crime while also having to worry about their super baby destroying the neighborhood by accident while they are gone? Dunno, maybe in a few months we will get our first trailer of the actual film.

[Kantaki]

Yep. Every single brand of chicken nuggets contains exactly 50% meat, as well as "hair product ingredients". Chicken nuggets are a monolithic food, with universal ingredients, regulated by extremely-strict laws.

This all seems well-informed and above the level, yessir.

While that is certainly a good point Scowling Dragon's point seems to be more along the lines of „most chicken nuggets are bad, so don't even try out the fries. Instead judge all food based on those bad chicken nuggets.”

[The Glyphstone]

The rumors seem to point to Mrs. Incredible being the viewpoint/focus character the way Mr. Incredible was in the first movie, with her doing more active heroine work while he becomes a stay-at-home dad caring for Jack-Jack and the other kids.

Also, this trailer has already become the most-watched animated movie trailer of all time. Pixar is really playing with fire on this one with their reputation and I am certain that they know it.

[Future Sword]

Mrs. Incredible being the viewpoint/focus character

a stay-at-home dad

So...when is this meant to come out?

[The Glyphstone]

So...when is this meant to come out?

June 15, 2018?