OOTS #1106 - The Discussion Thread

[Fyraltari]

It's not slang, surprisingly, but a reference to any number of old tales where the knight has to get past the guardian to get the girl. Most famous example currently would be the subversion in the first Shrek movie, which ends up going straight (so, a double subversion, I guess).

"Slipping one past the goalie" is a euphemism for impregnating a woman. (I think it maybe originated from Seinfeld?) I'm assuming hockey doesn't exist in OOTS-world, so "guardian" is the universe-appropriate substitute.

Thanks

What kind of turn of phrase would that be?

...Not including the French one.

The Undead kind of course.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

I think what this strip does tell us is that Rich doesn't intend to clear up the mystery of Hilgya's motivations at this time - it's a deliberate ambiguity.

I'm baffled by this assertion. Her motivation seems quite clear: to kill the father of her baby for having gotten her pregnant and then abandoning her.

The interesting thing will be to how she reacts to Durkon already being dead and his former body now being taken over by Greg.

GW

[2D8HP]

"Not now, Mommy's making a dramatic entrance"

Priceless!

[Fyraltari]

Or, for the hypocrisy of lecturing her on duty, while not doing his duty to either A) avoid impregnating her or B) check to see if he has and then do his duty to his child...

If it's B it's a double serving of hypocrisy since she could have Sent to him anytime.
Aaaaaaah break-ups are always such messy things.

[AutomatedTeller]

Awesome, as always!

This was probably answered in the 50+ pages of the 1105 thread, but why is it that Roy took no damage from that Flame Strike the vamp used? Is it because of his sword?

[Liwen]

I was just about to comment about Haley saying : '"Ok, guys, here's the the thing:", but then the Giant ninja edited the comic before I logged in to post.

In other news, we need to name this baby. I propose Lokor Fireshield, after Loki and Thor and Durkon and Hilgya's last names.

I never said I was good at naming things.

[Lheticus]

I was just about to comment about Haley saying : '"Ok, guys, here's the the thing:", but then the Giant ninja edited the comic before I logged in to post.

In other news, we need to name this baby. I propose Lokor Fireshield, after Loki and Thor and Durkon and Hilgya's last names.

I never said I was good at naming things.

Hey, you may be a regular Asgore when it comes to that, but in this case I honestly think it sounds pretty good.

[FlawedParadigm]

Awesome, as always!

This was probably answered in the 50+ pages of the 1105 thread, but why is it that Roy took no damage from that Flame Strike the vamp used? Is it because of his sword?

While we're pointing out things someone else has already gotten to; has it been noted that Minrah anagrams to "in harm?" That may bode poorly for her.

[2.5 cats]

This was probably answered in the 50+ pages of the 1105 thread, but why is it that Roy took no damage from that Flame Strike the vamp used? Is it because of his sword?

I always assumed that OotS characters had to take a certain % of their hit points as damage before we start seeing visible wounds. Assuming the cleric was level 9, rolled below-average on damage, and Roy made his save, he took around 10 hit points damage, which could be a tiny enough fraction of his total not to be visible.

[WindStruck]

If it's B it's a double serving of hypocrisy since she could have Sent to him anytime.
Aaaaaaah break-ups are always such messy things.

I think she already has tried sending to Durkon many times previously. Only for him to ignore them. Thus the title, Answering the Call might also be referring to the fact that someone (Loki) finally answered.

[The_Weirdo]

Huh. So I guess we can write out "dramatic alignment shift."

I still don't think she's CE at current - neither do I think she was then.

Though it remains an open question as to why she wanted to know Durkon's location, whether for reconciliation or for revenge -- possible she asked for it and Loki told her how to find him with the instructions "go kill him".

Now, now. Let's be honest. She wants to kill Durkon.

[Ruck]

In other news, we need to name this baby. I propose Lokor Fireshield, after Loki and Thor and Durkon and Hilgya's last names.

I never said I was good at naming things.

I'm going with "Durkson" until I get an actual name or the child is revealed not to be Durkon's.

[schmunzel]

It feels like an euphemism for sex, given that it is Belkar. In any case, I've never heard of it before, if it is indeed slang.



All lampshades are in-universe. That's what makes them lampshades.

GW

I would assume the guardian was the contraception spell Hylgia *supposedly* was assumed to have used
Thus Freyas involvement (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0501.html) perhaps the strip marked durkonsens birth (cave: wild theory)??

sch

[Fyraltari]

I think she already has tried sending to Durkon many times previously. Only for him to ignore them. Thus the title, Answering the Call might also be referring to the fact that someone (Loki) finally answered.

Is that even possible ?

[Coolio Wolfus]

Is that even possible ?

It's OotS, nuff said.

[Vendanna]

I would assume the guardian was the contraception spell Hylgia *supposedly* was assumed to have used
Thus Freyas involvement

sch

I thought guardian was that spell from d1 with the hydra head shooting flaming bolts :P

Well, even thou freya makes more sense, I still will vouch for "fertility goddess" taking a revenge on thor for passing her saving throw.

Love how the lil' baby is moving his tiny hands towards the family heirloom, and as everyone knows with lil babies, if you leave them alone they will take 1 round to get themselves a choking hazard on their lil mouths. >.< You cannot leave them alone.

[Morquard]

Well, whoever called it that Roy has no clue who she is, just won :)

[Kardwill]

Is that even possible ?

If things were as simple as "She could have SENT to him", she would have used it to lure him to a trap, or at sent a scathing message about his child, long ago. So we should assume it's not as simple as a phone call.

[Kantaki]

All I can say is Elan is awesome.
Not only does he remember who Hilgya is and how they met her, no he greets her like an old friend.

I guess having a inn-keeper mom helps with stuff like that.

[Kardwill]

Well, even thou freya makes more sense, I still will vouch for "fertility goddess" taking a revenge on thor for passing her saving throw.

By having a Thor follower impregnate and abandon a Loki follower, thus repeating what happened to her? Don't sound very logical, even for a petty revenge.

[Skull the Troll]

New comic is up.

56 pages of intense argument made moot in 2 panels. :)

I still think Hilgya is CN, but that doesn't preclude revenge.

I think what this strip does tell us is that Rich doesn't intend to clear up the mystery of Hilgya's motivations at this time - it's a deliberate ambiguity.

What part of "Help murder Durkon" is ambiguous? Honestly I think the bigger issue will come when she realizes its probably possible to reconcile with the new Durkon and live with him ever after. (which would be short, but she doesnt know that)

[schmunzel]

I thought guardian was that spell from d1 with the hydra head shooting flaming bolts :P

Well, even thou freya makes more sense, I still will vouch for "fertility goddess" taking a revenge on thor for passing her saving throw.

Love how the lil' baby is moving his tiny hands towards the family heirloom, and as everyone knows with lil babies, if you leave them alone they will take 1 round to get themselves a choking hazard on their lil mouths. >.< You cannot leave them alone.

well the guardian is whoever is tasked with guarding the entrance.

sch

[Keltest]

If things were as simple as "She could have SENT to him", she would have used it to lure him to a trap, or at sent a scathing message about his child, long ago. So we should assume it's not as simple as a phone call.

Its on the cleric spell list and Durkon wasn't under the Cloister spell at any point. So far as we know theres nothing stopping her from sending to him if she wanted to. That suggests that her goals at such that he wouldn't appreciate them.

[hroþila]

I'm not particularly happy with the idea of Hilgya obsessing over Durkon, or anyone else really, simply for revenge over being spurned. Therefore, I choose to stick to my personal and increasingly unlikely theory: she knows Durkon is a vampire and wants to help destroy him (Loki told her), and the reason she had been praying to Loki hoping to learn of Durkon's whereabouts is that she wanted to tell him about Hilgyuson and she figured it'd be only proper to do it in person.

I will probably only be able to stick to this theory until the next strip comes along, so humour me.

[Ionbound]

Again: SoD talks about Evil gods defending the Dark One, and shows Loki defending the Dark One. At this point, I would say it is more likely that Loki is an Evil god who hates undead and therefore grants turning rather than rebuking. Lots of gods, even Evil ones, are known to have issues with undead and thus do not allow their clergy to command them - and I can easily imagine that Hel might have had a bit of a hand in ensuring she was the only undead deity of the northern pantheon.

Grey Wolf

I mean honestly Loki being CN and defending the Dark One just 'cus still kinda fits his personality. Or yeah CE and hates undead. Either or works.

[Fyraltari]

Well, whoever called it that Roy has no clue who she is, just won :)

Exactly, this is the oots world, you gotta do your entries properly.


Roy and Belkar probably forgot about her the moment she was not in their line of sight.
V and Haley could go either way.
Elan has probably been watching for this chekov's gun the whole time.

Yay, I won! Nobody cares.
Also, I'am glad that Hilgya agrees with meabout entrances.

If things were as simple as "She could have SENT to him", she would have used it to lure him to a trap, or at sent a scathing message about his child, long ago. So we should assume it's not as simple as a phone call.

Good point. I trust this will be adressed either in a couple comic or during Durkon and Hilgya's reunion.

[KorvinStarmast]

Also who is this guardian Belkar talks about, or is that slang ?

A colorful allusion, Belkar style, to Durkon having sex with Hilgya and the result thereof.

Yeah, belkar said durkon got laid, which was a bit unlikely. Short, bearded, smelly men are not so hot.

Hmm, seems uncharitable.

It's not slang, surprisingly, but a reference to any number of old tales where the knight has to get past the guardian to get the girl. Most famous example currently would be the subversion in the first Shrek movie, which ends up going straight (so, a double subversion, I guess).

I'd forgotten about Shrek, good point.

I'm sure she's here for revenge at this point. Which is funny, because I'm sure if she were to ask Durkon to help raise the baby he would, Cause duty.

That's what I'd guess.

I love how many punchlines are basically direct jabs at forum users.

Forum users had 56 pages worth of potential estimation and guessing. I am not sure Rich needs to do that ....

"Not now, Mommy's making a dramatic entrance"

Priceless!

Great opening line.

I also love how I was right about Elan and Haley remembering Hilgya, and how some of the forum posters were right that Roy would not remember ...

Thank you Giant!

[Psyren]

If it's B it's a double serving of hypocrisy since she could have Sent to him anytime.

And reveal that she's looking for him?

This is the same chick who kept feeding her loving husband poison. She may not be all there.

[Tundar]

OG LG indeed!

Someone explain the OG part to me please

[ThePhantasm]

This strip strikes me as a bit odd. Hilgya is peculiarly nonchalant about meeting the order again. Shouldn't she assume that they are still allied with Durkon and would attempt to prevent her from killing him? How does she know their "strategy concerns" discussion doesn't involve subduing her? Why isn't one of her first questions "so where is Durkon, anyways?"

She obviously doesn't know about the Godsmoot but the fact that she doesn't ask these questions makes me think she does know that Durkon is vamped.