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    https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8096183...the-Natural-20

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    This is the story of a Dungeons & Dragons minimax/rules lawyer wizard put into the Potter verse.

    At the same time, we see some intelligent, thinking and planning police officers in the Muggle world.

    How do people like Malfoy react to intelligent police? How does the wizarding world in general react?

    And of course, how do two different groups of people operating under different sets of rules interact in combat?
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    Glad to see it is back again.

    At the same time, we see some intelligent, thinking and planning police officers in the Muggle world.
    I like that it shows what would most likely happen: they are thought to be crazy.

    How do people like Malfoy react to intelligent police?
    Same as everyone else intimidate, bribe or make a deal.

    How does the wizarding world in general react?
    Not well but they do have some government liaison already in place and memory erasers

    And of course, how do two different groups of people operating under different sets of rules interact in combat?
    From what we have seen so far they mesh chaotic but as best benefits the story, I liked the aside about historical crossbow speed verse DnD crossbow reload speed.
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    It's back? Yay!
    Tonitrius Adhael, self-named the Thunder Phoenix, wandering historian and combat mage extraordinaire. When he discovered a genuine magical artifact from the mythical Tower Era, a long gone age when benevolent wizards ruled, he expected it to change the world. He didn't expect to be attacked by demon-worshiping cultists, or for mythical creatures and spells to return to the world...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeb View Post
    Glad to see it is back again.

    I like that it shows what would most likely happen: they are thought to be crazy.
    I just like the idea of a walkman with "here's what happened to you".

    Same as everyone else intimidate, bribe or make a deal.
    Well, the tax agencies don't go for those ...

    Not well but they do have some government liaison already in place and memory erasers

    From what we have seen so far they mesh chaotic but as best benefits the story, I liked the aside about historical crossbow speed verse DnD crossbow reload speed.
    I still like the whole "forgetting over summer" vs "perfect memory of skills never used".
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    I had stopped checking for updates entirely. Thanks for posting!

    I like how this story reads because it pokes fun at 3.5 rules, which I have a love hate relationship with. And also manages to the best harry potter fan fiction I have read.

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    Excellent!
    I'd almost given up on it.

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    It back? good I like it because its a character learning to stop being a munchkin and become an actual person while realizing that his rules don't work with harry potter rules and thus can't use the same tricks he is always used to.

    .....but where was I again?

    frack, I think I almost completely forgot how it went, even though I read the whole thing through.

    I think I'll have to read the whole thing again....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Raziere View Post
    It back? good I like it because its a character learning to stop being a munchkin and become an actual person while realizing that his rules don't work with harry potter rules and thus can't use the same tricks he is always used to.

    .....but where was I again?
    I especially liked him making his mother a level 20 wizard baker (who never uses magic in her baking), and then later introducing the next incarnation of The Munchkin to the wonders of food that has flavor. "First time he's used his taste buds since his backstory."

    The neverending succession of things that Milo considers normal but Potterverse people consider crazy, or the reverse, is always good for a laugh too.

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    frack, I think I almost completely forgot how it went, even though I read the whole thing through.

    I think I'll have to read the whole thing again....
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    One thing I really liked about that whole baker issue is the reference to OOTS. V's significant other was a baker. There was a discussion on the forum at one point as to whether or not baker was a "prerequisite class" (sorry, I don't know the exact term) for magicians. I think there was even a scene around the three fiends time where the little imp had a what if scene where he ran into a baker.

    My favorite abuse has to be that because a quarterstaff is worthless, not only can he turn a wall of wood into a pile of quarter staffs, he can turn a giant ship's mast into a giant quarterstaff. Of course, a baby using a standard move action to reload a crossbow isn't too far behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keybounce View Post
    My favorite abuse has to be that because a quarterstaff is worthless, not only can he turn a wall of wood into a pile of quarter staffs, he can turn a giant ship's mast into a giant quarterstaff. Of course, a baby using a standard move action to reload a crossbow isn't too far behind.
    Speaking of quarterstaffs, the fact that Milo has more physical combat ability than anyone at Hogwarts due to his BAB is pretty fun.

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    It's back? Yay!

    Let me reiterate that YAY!!!

    Luckily I just gave it a reread 3 weeks ago due to recommending it to a friend.
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    Phew. I have reread the whole thing now. Can't wait for the next update! Hope he's back to weeklies...
    Tonitrius Adhael, self-named the Thunder Phoenix, wandering historian and combat mage extraordinaire. When he discovered a genuine magical artifact from the mythical Tower Era, a long gone age when benevolent wizards ruled, he expected it to change the world. He didn't expect to be attacked by demon-worshiping cultists, or for mythical creatures and spells to return to the world...

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    Hurray! I thought it was a deadfic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas View Post
    Not exactly a hardship.
    I've reread, its great.

    I forgot that this fic had a Muggle actually try to find out about the wizarding world by herself. I mean I remembered that there was a fic that did that, but I forgotten that it was this specific one. but thats the great thing about it; the reason why she is a problem for wizards at all is not because she is special or anything but because her police station got a computer, and wizards don't deal with technology so they never think to erase the files on there or get rid of her tape recorder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Raziere View Post
    I've reread, its great.

    I forgot that this fic had a Muggle actually try to find out about the wizarding world by herself. I mean I remembered that there was a fic that did that, but I forgotten that it was this specific one. but thats the great thing about it; the reason why she is a problem for wizards at all is not because she is special or anything but because her police station got a computer, and wizards don't deal with technology so they never think to erase the files on there or get rid of her tape recorder.
    I'd argue she is a bit special. Maybe not 'potentially limitless cosmic powers' sort of special, but definitely 'unusually skilled and hard to find and kill' special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWR View Post
    I'd argue she is a bit special. Maybe not 'potentially limitless cosmic powers' sort of special, but definitely 'unusually skilled and hard to find and kill' special.
    As a major character, I agree that she is special. That being said, I feel that she isn't annoyingly special that breaks suspension of disbelief. Reading Fiona's story arc so far fits with the reaction I expect from a competent Muggle in the modified Harry Potter universe. Reading through the story, she is called out in having aikido training, with the level of training unspecified.

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    She's competent, was willing to take the possibility of magic seriously when she found some hard to explain evidence of it, and approached the problem of how to deal with it in a clever and truly intelligent way. That's pretty much the full extent of her specialness, but she's leveraged it into some major accomplishments anyway.

    Her memory of magic events was erased once, she quite reasonably assumed it could happen again (where many protagonists, and even real people, would assume the opposite or just not even consider it), and she created a recovery safeguard for it that they'd be unlikely to ever find but that she would almost be guaranteed to trigger. That by itself was enough for me to like her, and her treating the entire investigation with similar genuine intelligence just kept making it better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas View Post
    She's competent, was willing to take the possibility of magic seriously when she found some hard to explain evidence of it, and approached the problem of how to deal with it in a clever and truly intelligent way. That's pretty much the full extent of her specialness, but she's leveraged it into some major accomplishments anyway.

    Her memory of magic events was erased once, she quite reasonably assumed it could happen again (where many protagonists, and even real people, would assume the opposite or just not even consider it), and she created a recovery safeguard for it that they'd be unlikely to ever find but that she would almost be guaranteed to trigger. That by itself was enough for me to like her, and her treating the entire investigation with similar genuine intelligence just kept making it better.
    I'm looking forward to Milo and her getting into a spiral of paranoia together.
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    I will say that I like the effects of a Dementor for Milo. It's a good cross world interaction.

    I dislike it because level drains suck, but it works well for the story.

    The one thing that drives me a bit nuts on the re read is Milo's meta reactions to narrative forces. I know he's improved from the start of the story, but it will be nice if this improvement continues.

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    I love the fic in general, there's a good back and forth rather than 'watch the lead dominate everyone.' I feel like the copper stuff overstayed its welcome, though, it came to a natural conclusion and then kept going past it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire Guard View Post
    I love the fic in general, there's a good back and forth rather than 'watch the lead dominate everyone.' I feel like the copper stuff overstayed its welcome, though, it came to a natural conclusion and then kept going past it.
    I think having Fiona still around is useful, since this fic restarts the war while the kids are still more bound to Hogwarts. Having a point of view character that is able to move and observe the war in it's initial stages from the protaganist side isn't a bad thing in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire Guard View Post
    I love the fic in general, there's a good back and forth rather than 'watch the lead dominate everyone.' I feel like the copper stuff overstayed its welcome, though, it came to a natural conclusion and then kept going past it.
    Except that to stop her story, Fiona would have had to be killed or crippled or undergone a radical personality change. She has been shown to be smart, resourceful, doggedly determined to uncover this conspiracy, and clever enough to keep backup information around where she will easily find it and enemies won't. Since she was left alive at the end of CC, she pretty much has to be in the ongoing story in some way. Personally, I very much enjoy her angle on things. Milo is fun but the more 'real character' he becomes, the less interesting he is. As usually happens with stories, the more emphasis you put on detailed and developed characters and plot, the less humorous it becomes. Since humor seems to be taking a back seat to plot these days, Fiona helps the serious aspect of the story immensely, since she is far more interesting than any of the original HP crew and better than them for a serious treatment.

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    One thing I love about the way Sir Poley is taking the story is how Milo trivializes many of the original plot points and seems powerful, but doesn't achieve any better results. It could be argued that he's actually making things worse.

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    I am curious if Milo will complete the Rainbow Servant PrC in story to see all of that in story.

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    I kind of doubt it. By then he'd be at least 15th level, which means 8th level spells. Considering how well he's done with, to start with, just 2nd, this would be overkill. Wouldn't have to worry about AK with Death Ward around unless Poley randomly determines that's too broken to permit. it would be fun to see, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWR View Post
    I kind of doubt it. By then he'd be at least 15th level, which means 8th level spells. Considering how well he's done with, to start with, just 2nd, this would be overkill. Wouldn't have to worry about AK with Death Ward around unless Poley randomly determines that's too broken to permit. it would be fun to see, though.
    Considering how much Voldemort and Death Eaters like AK spam in combat, Death Ward is probably high on Milo's research list. Could make for a fun Oh Crap! moment when they realize their spells aren't effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adderbane View Post
    Considering how much Voldemort and Death Eaters like AK spam in combat, Death Ward is probably high on Milo's research list. Could make for a fun Oh Crap! moment when they realize their spells aren't effective.
    There's already been that to some extent when Milo summoned something undead (I think it was a skeleton), and the summon proceeded to be completely unaffected by AK.
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    I just had the amusing fan theory pop into my head: There has been a cross-over between Milo's world and Harry Potter universe before, and it was Death that the Peverell Brothers robbed blind.

    The wand is a magic item that allows for a limited cross over between magic systems. It is the most powerful wand in the world because it is sentient and harvests XP for fueling itself. It grows stronger upon defeating its opponents.

    The Cloak is a perfect Invisibility Cloak which is rare by HP standards, not so much by Milo's

    As for the Stone, Perhaps a Stone of Necromancy? One that summons ghosts and allows one to Speak with the dead. However, in the Harry Potter verse, there is no means of dismissing the ghosts unless the summoner dies.

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