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Re: OOTS #1107 - The Discussion Thread
That's why I didn't give it higher odds. Though his hair whitening couldbe the result ofthe failed poisining.
Look what happened to Red in the same time.
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Yes, those, and these:
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/shows...&postcount=127
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/shows...&postcount=128
Those two were the first "Hilgya needs to get a baby sitter" posts in the 1105 thread. You can say they predicted/foreshadowed Roy's suggestion in this strip perfectly.
Friend Keltest was the one who first brought up Rich's aversion to harming kids in the 1105 thread:
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/shows...&postcount=151
And there was much further discussion after that, and in a couple of subsequent threads.
@hamishspence: hmm, fair point.Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2017-12-07 at 04:59 PM.
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Absolutely nothing, AFAICT.
That said, I think her reasons to not trust the Temple of Thor are fairly self-evident. Plenty of religious people distrust other religion's intentions when raising children, because they'll naturally raise them in that other religion. I'm guessing Hilgya would want her child to either be a free spirit, or a devout follower of Loki, depending on how much of a hypocrite she is, but in either case she would NOT want her child to be "indoctrinated" into being a follower of Thor.
Yes, it's a bit irrational when the kid cannot possibly be indoctrinated in the space of time she'd leave him with them, but that's were her paranoia* might kick in and be thinking "they'll take him away from me if I give them half a chance, just like they took my life from me when they forced me to marry" or the like.
Seems so. Sorry I was short with you. I've taken a breather now and put Korvin in my Ignore list and am feeling much better.
Edit: by the way, can you find the quote about children going to their mother's plane? There was something about githkari doctors cutting the astral umbilical cord that I remember being rather amusing.
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*By the way, I do NOT fault her if she has this kind of paranoia. I myself am currently afflicted with it. I blame hormones.Last edited by Grey_Wolf_c; 2017-12-07 at 05:05 PM.
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Happened off screen might be the answer for you?
As to the young dragon being killed: I seem to recall that the young black dragon was killed before OoTS meets Miko, thus I am not sure that one should call that part of "V's arc" beyond the consequences of disintegrating the young black dragon that came two books later. (Dragon disintegrated in Aint no Cure for Paladin Blues, consequences were in Don't Split the Party). If they'd left a body, part of the vengeance/grief scene would have been robbed of its poignance when V and the parent dragon meet on that Island) .
(Hmm, did anyone ever discern which age category the black dragon was whose mother later came to avenge?)Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2017-12-07 at 05:05 PM.
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Well, yeah, maybe. Backstory might be exempt from that.
I think they were referring to here, though, where one of the familicide targets depicted was a nest of dragon eggs (so yes, dead dragon babies... or aborted dragon babies? I'm not sure which is worse.)
As for the other dragon... Young Adult.
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Ah, yeah, forgot.
As for the other dragon... Young Adult.Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
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...Well, I guess we know who failed their Spot check a few minutes ago, huh?
(It's me. Normally I wouldn't spoil the joke, but this thread's had some inflammatory points, so just wanna be clear.)
Also, I'm noticing a lot of those dragons were in the air when they died... I gotta feel sorry for the poor adventurers who suddenly have a black dragon corpse fall on top of them for no apparent reason.Last edited by Ironsmith; 2017-12-07 at 05:16 PM.
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If the baby appears to be a threat to Hilgya's foe? Yeah. But I think, on a practical level, that with Hilgya and the rest of the Order, and Minrah, being the major threats/combatants, a spell like Dispel Magic would more likely be cast to deal with the more pressing problem of the party than with the baby being carried by Hilgya. (but there's no guarantee, since the party is dealing with Vampires here, whose stock in trade is pretty deep evil).
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I can't find the posts at the moment, but I think that in the discussion thread where Forcecage's details were run to ground after V cast it, dispel magic wasn't one of the ways to get rid of it. I'll see if I can find that post.Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2017-12-07 at 05:33 PM.
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Re: OOTS #1107 - The Discussion Thread
Forcecage isn't affected by dispel magic. Also, that none of the vampires there used it, does not mean none of the other vampires have it prepared.
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My position on the practical level is that Roy makes a hell of a lot more sense than Hilgya, from an OOC RL perspective. See my comments about whether or not I'd take my kids to a battle when I was in the Navy. No, I would not.
You put your finger on something IC that matters, though:regardless of what she herself believes?
Would that not (in her own mind and in her own experience) lead her to take the position we see her taking?
We don't know if that's the case, and I thought I made clear that this was a what if in terms of what (unknown things) happened in the year and a half or so since her last on screen scene.Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2017-12-07 at 05:41 PM.
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Dispel Magic is also an area effect spell, remember. Someone just has to decide to make Hilgya a bit spongier and Kudzu's protections are gone too.
Or just hit her with an AoE attack spell she didn't ward against. Like, say, Mass Inflict X Wounds. Hurts enemies, heals vampires, kills baby.
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Why should a man be scorned if, finding himself in prison, he tries to get out and go home? Or if, when he cannot do so, he thinks and talks about other topics than jailers and prison-walls?
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Just wondering: how does Haley know anything about the Church of Loki? I know they had one in GreySky City, but I don't remember her spending any time with them.
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She was in the thieves guild there for a number of years before OoTS happened, and it appeared in the story that the Guild and the Loki clerics had a long standing relationship. (This during the Belkar comes out of coma, Haley Pickle attacked by Crystal, etc in Don't Split the Party). The cleric of Loki who releases Belkar from his curse is actually doing this under the table.
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Why should a man be scorned if, finding himself in prison, he tries to get out and go home? Or if, when he cannot do so, he thinks and talks about other topics than jailers and prison-walls?
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Dispel Magic as used against Hilgya would almost certainly be a targeted Dispel aimed at all spells affecting her, rather than an area dispel to remove one random spell within 20 feet of the caster. This /could/ affect Kudzu if dispelling a protective spell that Hilgya has cast on both also removes the effect on Kudzu, but also might not do that.
Why should a man be scorned if, finding himself in prison, he tries to get out and go home? Or if, when he cannot do so, he thinks and talks about other topics than jailers and prison-walls?
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Haley said the entire church is affiliated with the Thieves' Guild, which she and her father were both members of.
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I agree about whther it informs us of Hilgya's character. My question was just to clarify my understanding of your overall point. I'll admit to being somewhat... confused by how heated the argument was getting.
Related, to GreyWolf: would it be fair to say that you hold the safety of your.children, hypothetical or otherwise, as being of greater importance than pretty much any other possible consideration?
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Sad to see Hilgya this bitter about what happened, but hey, if familiarity breeds piercing damage, I'm not about to correct her until after the problem is dealt with.
Meanwhile, Kudzu is a little undead-slayer in the making and he is precious. What's the rule on XP gain for toddlers?Last edited by Psychronia; 2017-12-07 at 06:16 PM.
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Based on her reaction I suspect "I am being told what to do and I hate being told what to do, however rational it may be" factors in there somewhere.
Once the Forcecage was up, waiting for it to eat up one of Vaarsuvius' actions to dispel was far superior to spending one of their actions dispelling it.
Also...there's a rather large gap between "at least level 5 and thus able to prepare Dispel Magic" and "realistically able to succeed on a dispelling check against Vaarsuvius."
Also also, and this one obviates the rest of it but I'm leaving the rest of my post in because shut up that's why, Dispel Magic doesn't work on Forcecage.Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II