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    Default Highest damage using only cantrips...

    Inspired by the useless character concept thread, and further to the cantrip caster thread I made ages ago, I thought I'd see how much damage I could do in a round using only cantrips.

    Minimum build:

    Warlock 2 (AB invocation)/sorcerer 3 (quicken + twin metamagic)

    Firebolt Twinned, EB Quickened, 3 sorcery points per round, so it's not sustainable at early levels and expensive at any level.

    At level 5: (CHA 16)
    2d10 + 2d10 + 2d10+6, plus 3d6 if Hex was cast beforehand,
    avg 39 +10.5 (Hex)


    At level 11: (CHA 20, hex lock and fire dragon sorcerer)
    3d10+5 + 3d10+5 + 3d10+15, plus 3d6 if Hex was precast, plus Curse +16
    avg 118.5, +10.5 (Hex) +16 (Curse)

    (with 2 setup rounds for Hex and Curse, this is pretty much theory only, I admit)



    Alternative:
    Assuming any sorcerer, and Hexblade blade pact with great sword, booming blade, and AB

    At 6th level, CHA 16
    2(2d6+3) +2(1d8) + 2d10+6 (EB), +2d8 for each target that moves
    Base Avg 46, + up to additional 18 more for movement, +10.5 if Hex was precast, +9 for Curse

    At 11th level, CHA 20, GWM
    2(2d6+5+10) +2(2d8) + 3d10+15 (EB)
    Avg 93.5, with possible additions of
    +27 for movement, + 10.5 for hex, +16 for curse.

    (not sure how to add hit chance in here, or crit chance, GWM, or advantage due to, say, devil's sight +darkness. Please correct as necessary)


    Can anyone else top this?
    Last edited by Mjolnirbear; 2017-12-07 at 04:55 AM.

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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    I don't know

    I want to say... 1000d6 + 4d8
    Minimal build being Variant Human Warlock 2, Sorcerer 3

    Okay
    So
    Variant Human Spell Sniper
    You hit Lv2, take Eldritch Spear and Repelling Blast
    Eldritch Blast them off a 500 ft drop Cliff

    Then since Eldritch Blast has 600 ft range
    Quicken Eldritch Blast them off a second 500 ft drop Cliff

    Do I win the contest?

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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnirbear View Post
    Highest damage using only cantrips...
    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnirbear View Post
    plus 3d6 if Hex was cast beforehand
    Highest Damage using ONLY Cantrips
    Doesn't use ONLY Cantrips

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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    Quote Originally Posted by Talamare View Post
    Highest Damage using ONLY Cantrips
    Doesn't use ONLY Cantrips
    Which is why I calculated Hex separately, and Curse, and pointed out a two-round setup is a bit absurd. You still have the Hex-less numbers.

    I'm honestly trying to figure out if you're trolling or not.

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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    It seems to me that Tempest clerics with their channel divinity for maximum damage on lightning and thunder should have a place somewhere. Get Tunderclap one way or another, and get several targets into the AoE, then maximise the damage. Combine with sorcerer for another casting, maybe Evoker6 for damage even if the save is made.

    Edit: Thunderclap goes well with the Spell Sniper feat. It lets you get a lot of targets into the AoE.
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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    2 fighter levels, can add evoker 6 for guaranteed half dmg, sorc 18 or 12 or w/e

    Distant Spell + Sword Burst = 4d6*24
    Quicken Sword Burst = 4d6*8
    Action Surge: Distant Spell + Sword Burst = 4d6*24

    Avg dmg/round=784

    Quote Originally Posted by hymer View Post
    It seems to me that Tempest clerics with their channel divinity for maximum damage on lightning and thunder should have a place somewhere. Get Tunderclap one way or another, and get several targets into the AoE, then maximise the damage. Combine with sorcerer for another casting, maybe Evoker6 for damage even if the save is made.

    Edit: Thunderclap goes well with the Spell Sniper feat. It lets you get a lot of targets into the AoE.
    SS increases range from attack spells only, and Thunderclap has a range of self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobZan View Post
    SS increases range from attack spells only, and Thunderclap has a range of self.
    In my XGtE (p. 168), Thunderclap has a range of 5 feet. But you're right that it doesn't require an attack roll. Too bad!
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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    Quote Originally Posted by hymer View Post
    In my XGtE (p. 168), Thunderclap has a range of 5 feet. But you're right that it doesn't require an attack roll. Too bad!
    Wasn't aware of XGtE changes on Thunderclap, you're right. Works with Distant Spell then.

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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    Quote Originally Posted by BobZan View Post
    2 fighter levels, can add evoker 6 for guaranteed half dmg, sorc 18 or 12 or w/e

    Distant Spell + Sword Burst = 4d6*24
    Quicken Sword Burst = 4d6*8
    Action Surge: Distant Spell + Sword Burst = 4d6*24

    Avg dmg/round=784



    SS increases range from attack spells only, and Thunderclap has a range of self.
    Holy shiznack. That's a ton. The new master at sweeping out crowds.

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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    Quote Originally Posted by hymer View Post
    It seems to me that Tempest clerics with their channel divinity for maximum damage on lightning and thunder should have a place somewhere. Get Tunderclap one way or another, and get several targets into the AoE, then maximise the damage. Combine with sorcerer for another casting, maybe Evoker6 for damage even if the save is made.

    Edit: Thunderclap goes well with the Spell Sniper feat. It lets you get a lot of targets into the AoE.
    Tempest cleric with storm sorcerer just for theme. Too bad the funky lightning powers at 1 and 6 don't work with cantrips. On the other hand, a lightning dragon sorcerer would add Charisma bonus at 6th level

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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    You cast minor illusion while in a place where people are deciding whenever to fight a war or not in such a way it is a diplomatic incident that definitively triggers the war.
    Then the round where the people did hit each other the most is the round where using only one cantrip you dealt the highest damage.
    Last edited by noob; 2017-12-07 at 07:03 AM.

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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnirbear View Post
    Tempest cleric with storm sorcerer just for theme. Too bad the funky lightning powers at 1 and 6 don't work with cantrips. On the other hand, a lightning dragon sorcerer would add Charisma bonus at 6th level
    Storm sorcerer would probably be best (and definitely coolest) in practice, but for optimization of this particular thing, there's the ability to get charisma modifier to thunderclap damage from dragon sorcerer 6.

    Edit: No, wait, thunder damage, not lightning.
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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    I take it that using Prestidigitation to make purple worm venom taste/smell like fine wine and then Friends when offering it to someone as a drink doesn't count?
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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    I haven't actually gone through and confirmed it, but here's a video for 65,000,000 damage from a cantrip

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOtEZKfGiH0

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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    Well. That video took way too much time to watch. The voice annoyed me.

    So it works. If you have:
    legendary artifact which I highly doubt is real
    No need to sleep
    Unlimited pigs
    And 13 years
    (the rest was not actually needed at all)

    Assuming you have this, you can do 65 mil damage with a Cantrip.

    Don't forget to harvest the unlimited pigs for unlimited bacon and a pig-themed restaurant chain with which to make unlimited money.

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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnirbear View Post
    Well. That video took way too much time to watch. The voice annoyed me.
    Agreed. I'm not really a fan of Dawnforgedcast, but the video was relevant.

    So it works. If you have:
    legendary artifact which I highly doubt is real
    No need to sleep
    Unlimited pigs
    And 13 years
    (the rest was not actually needed at all)

    Assuming you have this, you can do 65 mil damage with a Cantrip.

    Don't forget to harvest the unlimited pigs for unlimited bacon and a pig-themed restaurant chain with which to make unlimited money.
    Hey, you didn't ask if it was feasible, just possible.

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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    I mean... if we get to use magic items... just an assassin 3/Fighter 2/warlock 2+/Sorcerer X with 30 Charisma (from books) can spit out 24d10+120 in one surprise round

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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    Quote Originally Posted by Oramac View Post
    I haven't actually gone through and confirmed it, but here's a video for 65,000,000 damage from a cantrip

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOtEZKfGiH0
    Seems like the item that allows this is a homebrew item?

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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    Quote Originally Posted by Naanomi View Post
    I mean... if we get to use magic items... just an assassin 3/Fighter 2/warlock 2+/Sorcerer X with 30 Charisma (from books) can spit out 24d10+120 in one surprise round
    Plus 36 from a rod of the pact keeper.
    English isn't my first language, so I will likely express myself poorly.
    Please pretend that I'm arguing in good faith, and that I mean no offense to anybody.

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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    Quote Originally Posted by Talamare View Post
    Do I win the contest?
    Falling damage is capped at 20d6.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blacky the Blackball View Post
    I take it that using Prestidigitation to make purple worm venom taste/smell like fine wine and then Friends when offering it to someone as a drink doesn't count?
    Nope. Purple worm poison is injury poison, not ingested. It's perfectly safe to eat/drink.

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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    Quote Originally Posted by JackPhoenix View Post
    Nope. Purple worm poison is injury poison, not ingested. It's perfectly safe to eat/drink.
    Unless they have an ulcer, a cut in their gums, a cankersore, or any other injury where it could get into the bloodstream.
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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lombra View Post
    Plus 36 from a rod of the pact keeper.
    doesn't increase damage (except by making you hit more often, or by making someone fail a save more often).

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    Default Re: Highest damage using only cantrips...

    Quote Originally Posted by SharkForce View Post
    doesn't increase damage (except by making you hit more often, or by making someone fail a save more often).
    I thougt it added bonus damage, my bad. Not bat to have around anyways
    English isn't my first language, so I will likely express myself poorly.
    Please pretend that I'm arguing in good faith, and that I mean no offense to anybody.

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