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2017-12-15, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Best knowledge class?
So im trying to make a character but i cant decide between cleric or bard. I want the character to be support based and trying to pick either knowledge domain or college of lore. Any advice is appreciated.
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2017-12-15, 04:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Knowledge Cleric 1-2/Lore Bard multiclass is awesome
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2017-12-15, 04:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Rogue 1
K.Cleric 1
Lore Bard 18
Edit - Arguable Scout Ranger 3, Lore Bard 15Last edited by Talamare; 2017-12-15 at 05:34 PM.
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2017-12-15, 05:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-12-15, 05:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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WELL... Knowledge domain DOES grant you expertise in two "knowledges", which easily surpasses what you would get from just proficiency and high intelligence score, especially if you also have high intelligence score. Then again, bard does eventually get more expertises than knowledge domain, and even if you didn't have proficiency in every "knowledge", you still get half proficiency.
Just a reminder: bard gains expertise at 3rd level and again at 10th level, whereas Knowledge domain only at 1st level.Last edited by Arkhios; 2017-12-15 at 05:21 PM.
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2017-12-15, 05:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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So i could have three classes?
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2017-12-15, 05:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-12-15, 05:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-12-15, 05:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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You can have as many classes as you meet the prerequisites for.
Although at a certain point I bet it gets wierd.
For theory crafting, I created a Fighter/Rogue/Cleric/ Wizard/ Bard once.
I think he had like 9 cantrips at level 5?
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2017-12-15, 05:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-12-15, 05:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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There is a build that eventually gets all skills and expertese in most of them;
From memory, I'm sure you start as a Half Elf for the bonus skills, Rogue 1 to get 4 starting skills (instead of 3 from Bard) and a backround of your choosing. Follow with Knowlage Cleric 1.
Then there was a good balance between College of Lore Bard and Rogue (any rogue really, but Arcane Tricster will provide more Spell Slots, wile the Swashbuckler has a lot of bonuses to skill checks on his own right... The new subclasses from Xanathars might have some interesting combination too), as well as the Skilled feat were you eventually ended up with Proficiency in all skills, and expertese in 10 of them or something.
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2017-12-15, 05:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Please be mindful of what you say in public; sadly not all can handle sarcasm or The Internet Credibility.
My Homebrew:
Base Class: Warlord | Roguish Archetype: Inquisitor | Roguish Archetype: Thug | Primal Path: Rage Mage
Ongoing game & character:
Sajan Uttam, human Monk 6/Fist of Irori 3 (Legacy of Fire)
D&D/Pathfinder CV of sorts
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3.5 since 2003
4e since 2008
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5e since 2014
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2017-12-15, 07:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-12-15, 07:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by Arkhios; 2017-12-15 at 07:47 PM.
Please be mindful of what you say in public; sadly not all can handle sarcasm or The Internet Credibility.
My Homebrew:
Base Class: Warlord | Roguish Archetype: Inquisitor | Roguish Archetype: Thug | Primal Path: Rage Mage
Ongoing game & character:
Sajan Uttam, human Monk 6/Fist of Irori 3 (Legacy of Fire)
D&D/Pathfinder CV of sorts
3.0 since 2002
3.5 since 2003
4e since 2008
Pathfinder 1e since 2008
5e since 2014
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2017-12-15, 08:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best knowledge class?
I think this really comes down to which of these two you prefer: Cutting words+Magical Secrets or Read Thoughts Channel Divinity. Those are both pretty sweet deals, though the Read Thoughts won't really shine unless you're doing social things sometimes.
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2017-12-15, 08:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-12-16, 09:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-12-16, 10:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Knowledge cleric 2/bard 18
Channel divinity for proficiency in any skill you don't have - just wonderful.
Ypu really don't need anything else for the knowledge skills
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2017-12-16, 10:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Do check with your DM and make sure that multiclassing is actually on the table; it's an optional rule, and while it's a very common optional rule, not every group uses it.
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2017-12-16, 11:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Eldritch Blast is really only good if you pick it up as a Warlock and get Agonizing Blast. It's a great way to give an otherwise non-combat character some combat chops, but it does really want that 2 level warlock dip.
FWIW, my skill monkey build is a Half Elf with this class progression: Rogue 1/Cleric 1 (Knowledge)/Warlock 2 (Agonizing Blast + Beguiling Influence invocations)/Bard 3 (Lore)/Rogue 2 (Scout). From then on you either dump levels into Bard to get better casting or Rogue to eventually get to Reliable Talent at Rogue 11. You can do it faster, but this version gets Darkvision and Agonizing Eldritch Blasts.
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2017-12-16, 02:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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My full skill multiclass suite is Human with the skilled feat, 4 skills and 2 from Background
Rogue (Scout) 3 - 6 skills, 4 Expertise
Cleric (Knowledge) 1 - 2 Skills, 2 Expertise
Bard (Lore) 3 - 4 skills, 2 with Expertise
So at level 7 you've got every skill with 8 Expertise (RAW, no UA now that scout is official)
I appreciate the build using Warlock, but I like getting the Rogue cunning action and Archetype in play as quickly as possible. At that point, you can almost always jam pack your action economy into fun town early on and never feel lacking in something to do while the rest of your goodies come online.
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2017-12-16, 03:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think they're both totally legitimate builds. I admit, being fully online at level 7 is SUPER nice, I just hate being the one person in the party without Darkvision, and I think Eldritch Blast + Agonizing Blast is a better way to contribute to combat than effectively being a Rogue who's at least 4 levels behind on their Sneak Attack damage.
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2017-12-16, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by Matrix_Walker; 2017-12-16 at 03:54 PM.
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