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    Quote Originally Posted by Gluteus_Maximus View Post
    Have we put Vaarsuvius' cantrip for picking bugs out of their teeth in their spell list?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronos View Post
    I think that the most we could conclude is that Minrah believes her total K:R modifier to be lower than Durkon's (since when he asks for two steps simpler, she instead asks for three), and that Thor's total modifier is greater than either's. But given that we know almost nothing about Minrah's stats, and Thor is, well, a god, I think that tells us so little that it's not even worth bothering to track it.
    Besides, Minrah is lower level, and was a fighter before becoming a cleric, so her K:R would naturally be lower than Durkon's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gluteus_Maximus View Post
    Have we put Vaarsuvius' cantrip for picking bugs out of their teeth in their spell list?
    Pretty sure that's just prestidigitation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resileaf View Post
    Besides, Minrah is lower level, and was a fighter before becoming a cleric, so her K:R would naturally be lower than Durkon's.
    Depends. Are you just counting skill ranks, or including the base modifier from Ability? Because Durkon not recognizing that Loki is Thor's arch-nemesis suggests he has no Kn:Rel ranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    Depends. Are you just counting skill ranks, or including the base modifier from Ability? Because Durkon not recognizing that Loki is Thor's arch-nemesis suggests he has no Kn:Rel ranks.
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    In 52 Durkon wishes he had more ranks in Knowledge: Religion, not any ranks.
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    Hey, I have a question for you guys (that may or may not have already been discussed to death, in which case I apologize):

    If Hilgya is Chaotic Evil, how can she Turn Undead (comic #1105)? The vampires are running away from her, which I believe is specifically a result from Turn, rather than Rebuke (which makes them cower in fear, iirc).
    I'm not questioning her alignment, it's been made relatively explicit, just confused about her turning.

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    There are a couple of different potential explanations, but (from what I can tell) this is the most-accepted one:

    Loki, her god, has some sort of exception that grants some (or all) of his clerics Turning instead of Rebuking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans of Frysia View Post
    Hey, I have a question for you guys (that may or may not have already been discussed to death, in which case I apologize):

    If Hilgya is Chaotic Evil, how can she Turn Undead (comic #1105)?
    Yes, we did discuss this a lot earlier in this thread. It seemed clear enough that she can indeed Turn Undead. People argued a lot on whether she is Evil or Neutral, whether Loki is Evil or Neutral or Good, whether the OoTS universe follows the rules that a cleric's alignment must be close to the god's alignment, and whether Loki has a special exception to the rules because he hates the Undead. There was no clean agreement. People disagreed in how they interpreted the hints in the comics about alignments. People quoted various precedents of certain splatbooks where some gods gave exemptions from the priest alignment rule or from the Turn Undead rule, but it was unclear how common these exemptions were, how much exemption they generally allow, and how we'd guess the OoTS rules from them. In the end we decided that Hilgya was Chaotic Evil, but it wasn't an unambiguous consensus decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5a Violista View Post
    There are a couple of different potential explanations, but (from what I can tell) this is the most-accepted one:

    Loki, her god, has some sort of exception that grants some (or all) of his clerics Turning instead of Rebuking.
    Quote Originally Posted by b_jonas View Post
    Yes, we did discuss this a lot earlier in this thread. It seemed clear enough that she can indeed Turn Undead. People argued a lot on whether she is Evil or Neutral, whether Loki is Evil or Neutral or Good, whether the OoTS universe follows the rules that a cleric's alignment must be close to the god's alignment, and whether Loki has a special exception to the rules because he hates the Undead. There was no clean agreement. People disagreed in how they interpreted the hints in the comics about alignments. People quoted various precedents of certain splatbooks where some gods gave exemptions from the priest alignment rule or from the Turn Undead rule, but it was unclear how common these exemptions were, how much exemption they generally allow, and how we'd guess the OoTS rules from them. In the end we decided that Hilgya was Chaotic Evil, but it wasn't an unambiguous consensus decision.
    Thanks for the answers, and sorry for asking something that had been discussed already.

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    I don't want to trigger anyone here, but does anyone remember which incarnation of CaLG had the discussions about Tarquin's class options? I know it must be years ago, but I don't really want to trawl through ALL the threads trying to find the now-legendary dispute; I'm just mildly-to-moderately curious.

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    I don't want to trigger anyone here, but does anyone remember which incarnation of CaLG had the discussions about Tarquin's class options? I know it must be years ago, but I don't really want to trawl through ALL the threads trying to find the now-legendary dispute; I'm just mildly-to-moderately curious.
    Going back in comics by the 50s, Tarquin started roughly around 700. By the OOTS wiki, he ended at 936. Going back through the the previous thread versions and the discussion thread index, CLG IX is the farthest back I could find, but that's after Tarquin was introduced, and CLG XII started right before 936 came out. So XII definitely bookends one side, but the front end is going to be before IX. Regardless, you can still narrow it down to IX-XII for a decent range where Tarquin was probably heavily discussed. However, Tarquin's first fight was around 850, so the IX thread is probably going to see the lion's share of it (this investigation is very quick and dirty, so I'm not going to sit here and try to guess as to any resurgent Tarquin debates).

    tl;dr - Try CLG IX.

    Also, I vote to move the version history to the first post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Going back in comics by the 50s, Tarquin started roughly around 700. By the OOTS wiki, he ended at 936. Going back through the the previous thread versions and the discussion thread index, CLG IX is the farthest back I could find, but that's after Tarquin was introduced, and CLG XII started right before 936 came out. So XII definitely bookends one side, but the front end is going to be before IX. Regardless, you can still narrow it down to IX-XII for a decent range where Tarquin was probably heavily discussed. However, Tarquin's first fight was around 850, so the IX thread is probably going to see the lion's share of it (this investigation is very quick and dirty, so I'm not going to sit here and try to guess as to any resurgent Tarquin debates).

    tl;dr - Try CLG IX.

    Also, I vote to move the version history to the first post.

    Thanks to Quartz for the version history, Lira and hamishspence for the Discussion Thread index, and Kurald Galain for the CLG. Cherish these people, MultitudeMan.
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    Thanks to all those you mentioned, as well as you, Peelee!
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    IIRC, Tarquin's class (or more likely, combination of classes) is pretty much in the category of "no way to know, but here are some plausible guesses". What's contentious is his total level, in particular the question of whether he's epic (and thus eligible for epic feats).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephemera View Post
    Oh, sorry, that was about the arrow snatching, which was the one I remembered, but probably not what you were looking for in the way of class features.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephemera View Post
    Oh, sorry, that was about the arrow snatching, which was the one I remembered, but probably not what you were looking for in the way of class features.
    It was interesting, but I was rather more looking for the class/level discussion. I take the point made by Chronos that there may just not be a way to know, based on the evidence provided in the strips. I don't feel a great need to know if Tarquin must have epic feats, either.

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    My current take on Tarquin is a fighter with levels in the "BBEG villain prestige class" mentioned in The Sourcebook That Never Was (digital DSTP), plus some obscure feats.
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    Wait, there's literally a mention of a "BBEG villain prestige class" somewhere in the bonus materials? What's the context?

    I think the most likely answer for Tarquin is that he's got levels here and there in a number of different base and prestige classes, probably including at least Fighter and Swordsage, possibly Monk, plus likely some homebrewed ones. Optimized warrior-types tend to have a lot of dips, and Tarquin certainly seems to be fairly optimized, given that he can single-handedly hold off almost the entire Order at once.
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    It's strange that Redcloak was surprised by the high priest of the Twelve Gods casting Hold Monster, considering he cast it himself in SoD (and thus would presumably know about it being a Law domain spell). Perhaps Rich simply forgot he gave Redcloak that spell?
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    Possibly Redcloak simply didn't expect that the high priest would have the Law domain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ti'esar View Post
    Possibly Redcloak simply didn't expect that the high priest would have the Law domain.
    Which is fair enough - a high priest of the 12 would be expected to not "play favorites" by having a domain probably opposed by a third of the circle. Mind you, I'm not sure there would be a domain that would be universally liked, but RC's "I'm not like you" might also be involved - his specism does lead to see humans as "others", and in this one thing, they were not so different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronos View Post
    Wait, there's literally a mention of a "BBEG villain prestige class" somewhere in the bonus materials? What's the context?
    Digital DStP has several pages of random notes and mini-comics for a scrapped OOTS sourcebook. Next to a drawing of a fiendish woman is a brief description of the class would have entailed:
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