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    Default Looking for a new keyboard for the Old Skool gamer

    I'm in bit of a pickle. I want to replace my faithful servant, a Logitech Cordless Desktop keyboard of some vintage. But I find I'm having difficutly navigating the brave new (!?) world of mechanical keyboards and whatnots.
    I'm finding it easier to say what I don't want than what I want. I suspect there's a keyboard out there for me, but last I tried buying one you got a Logitech keyboard or one of the computer-beige nameless brands.
    The keyboard is for my main gaming/work computer, i.e. the one with all the fancy hardware in it. But I'm not a hardcore gamer as such.

    Absolutely no "compact" keyboards. Also Apple is a fruit, nothing else. I'm also going to need something that is widely available enough that I can get it with Scandinavian keys.

    Backlight, I want to be able to see what keys I hit in the dark, that's really why am thinking of a new one. Apparnetly some "backlit" keyboards do it more for show, I don't want a rainbow, I want to see the keys.

    Cord. Yea I want one. I have a cordless one and I've changed more batteries than I care to ever again. Esp considering above. The keyboard has never bene further than 3 feet from my computer anyway. Apparently there's like recharageable keyboards now, so I guess that's an option if it ticks all other boxes. And still got a wireless mouse sucking rechargeable batteries like there's no tomorrow.

    I don't want it to clack. Yea I'm not sold on the idea of "mechanical" keyboards. If I wanted that I have an early 90s vintage IBM one probably beats any "gaming" keyboard on mechanical quality.

    Programmable keys, don't need 'em, don't really want them. But if it ticks all the other boxes I guess I can live with that.

    Design is an ugly word. The Lamborgini Countach was awesome looking when I was 14. I'm no logner 14 and don't really care for the "gaming" keyboards that look like a teenager drew them in the 90s.

    Doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Some of the stuff I looked at was 200+ euros. I don't care how good Bananas in Pyjamas is at playing Candy Crush or whatever it is they do but I'm not paying a dime for their "brands".


    What's your favourite keyboard?

    In what I find somewhat ironic twist, when looking around I notice most people want wireless keyboards and wired mice. I want the opposite so am also looking for a decent wireless mouse(though these seem easier to find options for).

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    Default Re: Looking for a new keyboard for the Old Skool gamer

    I'm still not sure what you want in a keyboard other than backlit, Scandinavian keys, corded, and cheaper. Do you want mechanical? They are usually better for gamers, as they have faster key recognition and can have different "feels". If so, do you want them to be silent or make a sound when used? Do you want them soft, medium or hard?

    As for a mouse, I like the Logitech M705. Have 5 of them I think. The batteries last a good long time, like a year or two. I rarely replace them and think they are reported to normally last 3 years, but not sure about that.
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    I'm thinking "no to mechanical" I don't see the point. I don't do such gaming that speed like that is required. And I definitely don't want something that sounds. The quieter the better really.

    Something like the Logitech K800 is probably what I'm looking for. Just with a cord.

    That mouse looks pretty good. Similar to what I have shape wise.
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    Default Re: Looking for a new keyboard for the Old Skool gamer

    Quote Originally Posted by snowblizz View Post
    Something like the Logitech K800 is probably what I'm looking for. Just with a cord.
    That would be the Logitech K740. Same keyboard, just the wired model.

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    If it's been ages since you've dealt with it, I'd point out just as a point of interest that the battery life in wireless keyboards and mice has gone up by leaps and bounds. I used to use a Logitech mouse (and I work from home and do a ton of gaming so I'm here at my desk almost all day, most days) and only had to change the batteries a couple of times a year. Also there's a solar charged keyboard from Logitech, the K750, that my wife uses and just puts under a desk lamp when she goes to bed so it charges. ;D That's just for the sake of information, though. If your desk setup isn't hampered by a cord, there's no reason not to use a keyboard with one.

    I'm afraid the biggest hurdle to suggestions is that I have no idea about what does or does not come with Scandinavian keys, or if they could be added aftermarket.

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    Still thinking about it. I should maybe clarify the Scandi keys thing. Mainly it's in finding a manufacturer big enough that they offer options (as it is, most "nordic" laptops come with combination-scandinavian keyboards with keys painted on for Danish, Swedish and Norwegian, usually the same 5-6 keys but with partly different setups for the countries. It looks...messy, I've got one with 6 different signs on it on the Surface Typecover. Logitech certianly does, Microsoft certianly does. But I don't know many other makers to know what their policy is vis a vis obscure languages (keyboard layouts). If I'm going to have fork out I'd rather have one with the right keys and no extra carved letters.
    At this point I think I might as well take all suggestions and then figure out which ones can actually be puchased locally. Mainly I'm hoping to avoid those ever so helpful "my local Walmart has these US keyboards cheap, they are super!".

    Speaking of Logitech I looked at the suggestion and I kinda like it but damn, 100 euro. And a wired one is more or less as expensive as a wireless one! I was hoping to save a bit.

    Wondering about the wireless mice and batteries. The one I have at home and remove batteries everynight sucks em fierce. I've been using one at work that's a bluetooth one and I'm on my 4th pair of batteries in under a year. It was a cheapo one am told and bought on sale so no idea how old. I used to think rechargable mice and keyboards came with their own batteries but that may not be the case? It's all well and good for Logitech to claim 10 days operating time with a rechargeable keyboard but if I'm the one providing batteries I doubt that. I've killed at least one set of rechargable batteries through use over decade or so I've had my current Logitech mouse/keyboard.

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    As far as wireless mice go, I can say with certainty that when I was using the Logitech M510 my batteries lasted for an absurd amount of time, again with near constant daily use. I didn't even bother using rechargeable batteries because of how infrequently I had to change them. I used to use another one with my laptop for TT sessions before I switched to the Logitech M570 trackball, and that also seems to have a ridiculous battery life. So while I can't speak for other manufacturers, Logitech's wireless mice seem to be in a really good spot as far as battery life goes.

    As for a keyboard... hrm. Is something like this what you're looking for? Forgive my shoddy American education as to foreign keyboard layouts if not. ;D



    If so and you can use Amazon (or find it elsewhere), it's this link here and only $30 or whatever that is elsewhere.

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    Default Re: Looking for a new keyboard for the Old Skool gamer

    Quote Originally Posted by snowblizz View Post
    What's your favourite keyboard?

    In what I find somewhat ironic twist, when looking around I notice most people want wireless keyboards and wired mice. I want the opposite so am also looking for a decent wireless mouse(though these seem easier to find options for).
    Yeah, I like wired keyboards and wireless mice, the wire interferes with the movement of the mouse.

    For a keyboard I'm using this:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Amazon tells me I bought this on 15 May 2013, and it's still going. It's not backlit, but then if you touchtype you don't need that (or maybe it's that I leave the lights on when I play games). Cherry are just about big enough that they might localise in your area. I have previously paid more than half the current price (9) for keyboards that lasted six months or less. When this fails I will buy another, or maybe the next version.

    I'd be very interested in hearing of a wireless mouse with two buttons and a scroll-wheel that's half as durable.
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    Default Re: Looking for a new keyboard for the Old Skool gamer

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoalpha View Post
    As for a keyboard... hrm. Is something like this what you're looking for? Forgive my shoddy American education as to foreign keyboard layouts if not. ;D
    Argh. That was exactly the type of backlit I specificly am avoiding. That looks like a Gemrnan setup. But if they do something they might have scandinavian.

    Quote Originally Posted by halfeye View Post
    Yeah, I like wired keyboards and wireless mice, the wire interferes with the movement of the mouse.

    For a keyboard I'm using this:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Amazon tells me I bought this on 15 May 2013, and it's still going. It's not backlit, but then if you touchtype you don't need that (or maybe it's that I leave the lights on when I play games). Cherry are just about big enough that they might localise in your area. I have previously paid more than half the current price (9) for keyboards that lasted six months or less. When this fails I will buy another, or maybe the next version.

    I'd be very interested in hearing of a wireless mouse with two buttons and a scroll-wheel that's half as durable.
    Cherry. That rings a bell. I amy have to have a look if there's some backlit options. Backlit is an absolute requirement for me. So many times I like to sit in the dark and play (and type). And I'm not touchtyping, ever.

    Baseline pricepoint looking much more reasonable though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowblizz View Post
    Argh. That was exactly the type of backlit I specificly am avoiding. That looks like a Gemrnan setup. But if they do something they might have scandinavian.
    For the record, most (not all, but most) rgb backlit keyboards let you control what the lighting is like, both color and brightness. I use a Corsair keyboard that can do all the flashing and rainbows and etc, but I just set it to a nice cool teal shade and leave it there. A bit of lighting around the edges, and up through the etched keycaps. I've seen one or two that stick you with a default rainbow setting or some other nonsense, but on most you have plenty of control and can even just turn it all off if you want.

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    That's quite true. In addition, even if you don't want any special effects or have ideas like color-coding specific keys based on the game you're playing (I rather like disabling the lighting on keys with no use, for example), the ability to select the exact shade you want your back-lighting to be is quite nice. Personally, I found plain white to be somewhat unpleasant, and prefer a nice amber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoalpha View Post
    For the record, most (not all, but most) rgb backlit keyboards let you control what the lighting is like, both color and brightness. I use a Corsair keyboard that can do all the flashing and rainbows and etc, but I just set it to a nice cool teal shade and leave it there. A bit of lighting around the edges, and up through the etched keycaps. I've seen one or two that stick you with a default rainbow setting or some other nonsense, but on most you have plenty of control and can even just turn it all off if you want.
    See now this is the kind of information keyboard manufacturers should know put in their friggin descriptions! Thanks, that does help me by telling me I likely have more options than the clowncollege ones.

    But man is this frustrating, the options that I feel would work for me are few and far between. Found e.g. a good Cheery one but that only comes with a German setup. Only localised that works for me was of the bogstadard models.


    It's like buying a pair of pants and having 3 legs for all the options I can find.

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