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    Heads up: next post I plan to be using my SA: detect thoughts. However, I wonder if I will be on my feet long enough to appreciate it.
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    IC thread updated!
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    Would Dalen and Aliani know their surface thoughts are being probed? Spell-like abilities are mentally cast, and the rules on magical perception aren't very clear for this spell (for me, at least). My assumption is they'd know something is up if they succeed their check. A knowledge check on Silas' race would be enough to convict the guy after that. As for failure, I imagine they wouldn't notice.
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    I don't think we would, no.

    At any rate: Will save: (1d20+7)[24]

    apparently Aliani 2.0 is good at will saves. I like this development.
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    C'mon Darvin! Roll a 1! Show Stelio how it's done!

    For the inevitable sense motive, ya jerk: Bluff (1d20+8)[22]

    Betting I get a 17.

    Edit: For all my luck, it wasn't a 17. Guess I'll hand over my chips.
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    Well, I am very good at rolling natural 1's.

    Dalen is going to try to meld into the crowd, so he will be making a stealth check as well.

    Stealth (1d20+5)[13]
    Will (1d20+3)[11]

    Oh, and FYI, Dalen will take 10 on his spellcraft check to identify Silas casting Detect Thoughts. I don't believe you took any actions to conceal the fact that you were casting a spell.

    Edit It occurs to me that a perception check vs Dalen is likely not necessary since you'd know the intelligence score of everyone in the party, and 22 intelligence kinda sticks out like a sore thumb, seeing as this is impossibly high for an ordinary human Oh well, still keeping low-profile from everyone else at the party.
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    I don't believe there's anything to use spellcraft on with a spell-like ability. From the PFSRD section on magic: "A spell-like ability has no verbal, somatic, or material component, nor does it require a focus. The user activates it mentally."
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    The important part is actually the sentence right before the one you quoted. Spell-like abilities work like spells except as described otherwise. So yes, they can be identified with spellcraft.

    Also, there's this official FAQ. The FAQ brings up SLA's indirectly as an example of something that might be identified with spellcraft checks.
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    I looked all over for evidence of that, but I didn't look in the FAQ. Well that's no fun. Would you mind if I rolled a bluff check here and now against a sense motive on your end? I would have attempted to hide it if I knew about that ruling in the FAQ. The core book was certainly unclear on the matter as my experiences before now were in line with my original thinking. I'll roll ahead of your decision just in case - just don't look at it till you reply.

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    Edit: Ah never mind. I'm making too much work for something unimportant. I'll get it right next time!

    Edit 2: In PF, apparently I would need Cunning Caster and/or Conceal Spell feats to attempt to hide any sort of magic. That's kinda lame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PiccadillyPi View Post
    Edit 2: In PF, apparently I would need Cunning Caster and/or Conceal Spell feats to attempt to hide any sort of magic. That's kinda lame.
    Based on my lurking on discussion boards it's an open question as to whether these are the only options, but you'll get no agreement on what does and doesn't work.

    The actual application of this FAQ is contentious, and apparently some Paizo AP's no longer work as written because NPC's can't do what they're described as doing under this ruling.
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    IC thread updated!
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    Looking at everyone else's posts, would you guys prefer I added colour to Silas' spoken text? I prefer simple black, and I try to keep it relatively easy to read, but if any of you would find it more readable or aesthetically pleasing, I wouldn't have any qualms switching it up.
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    I'm fine either way. Colored text just seems to be one of those conventions in PBP that most people do, and it doesn't bother me if you don't care for it.

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    technically, black is a color, sort of
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    Every year in elementary school, I was reminded 'black is a shade, not a colour'. To this day, I've never questioned my teacher's lesson. However, I've forgotten her name entirely. She sort of looked like Sybill Trelawney from the Harry Potter movies.
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    On a more serious note, it doesn't bother me if you don't, but if you do pick a color, please try to take one of the bolder/brighter ones. Some of the more pastel hues (like the pink the DM is using for our esteemed ladies) aren't very easy on my eyes. (Not a particular need/requirement to change it, Mr. Inspectre sir, it's something I can deal with, but, just an advertisement of sorts).
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    What about this?

    I'm kidding.

    I'll stick to black.
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    IC thread updated!
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    IC thread updated again!
    I think we'll get the whole party together for the first time shortly!
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    I'd like to run a quick idea by our GM. I've decided that Dalen needs a pocket watch so he can pull it out and look at it dismissively in social circumstances that demand aloof condescension. Yes, I'm willing to pay 250 gp for that privilege, don't judge

    However, it would be cool for flavor purposes if I could combine the pocket watch with a slotless magic item such as a pearl of power. I don't want it to be permanently crafted inside, as I will be upgrading pearls of power as my level and funding allows but would like to keep the pocket watch. What would you consider the fair price for a pocketwatch that has a hidden slot in which a pearl of power can be inserted/used?
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    Sounds cool to me! How about an extra 50 GP, so 300 GP total for a pocket watch which has one slot inside of which a pearl of power can be inserted?
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    Sounds fair to me; I'll pick it up when Dalen next has a chance to go shopping.

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    IC thread updated!
    Let's see what you guys can manage to pull off when you're all together (more or less)!
    How you want to approach this situation is up to you, but suffice to say the guardsmen are preparing to breach the front door to Silas's home in rather short order.
    If it comes to blows, I will prepare a battle map.
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    Diplomacy check per the DM's wishes (sure, I could take 10, but rolling's more fun): (1d20+8)[14]
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    Need a quick GM response regarding scrolls. Can a Cleric cast from a scroll of obscuring mist that was scribed by a Wizard? Or does he need to use UMD? Need to know before Dalen tosses Aliani the scroll.

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    From the rules on scrolls, arcane casters and divine casters can't mix unfortunately.

    "The spell must be of the correct type (arcane or divine). Arcane spellcasters (wizards, sorcerers, and bards) can only use scrolls containing arcane spells, and divine spellcasters (clerics, druids, paladins, and rangers) can only use scrolls containing divine spells. (The type of scroll a character creates is also determined by his class.)"

    Thus, Aliani would have to Use Magic Device the scroll in order to cast an arcane scroll, even if it's a spell that he could cast himself normally. This does unfortunately reveal his nature as not-bard, since a bard would have been able to use it. Unless of course he does have Use Magic Device and/or the Magic domain (or other special archetype ability) which I believe lets them use arcane items freely.
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    Reminder of importance: AFAIK, Dalen thinks Aliani is a bard. At least Iíve always presented spellcasting as such, and I donít think you ever made a spell craft check high enough to know the difference.

    No UMD or the like, so it will be useless. But you donít know that.

    Edit: crisis hopefully averted IC anyway (IMO Enthrall >>> Obscuring Mist here), but at some point I'm sure my squirming over this issue will be fun. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stelio Kontos View Post
    At least Iíve always presented spellcasting as such, and I donít think you ever made a spell craft check high enough to know the difference.
    More that I forgot to attempt the spellcraft checks in the first place. I've never even attempted one.

    Anyways, let's make the first such roll. DC 27 to identify the spell as Divine:

    (1d20+12)[14]

    Well, that's not going to reveal anything useful... not this time, anyways
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    BTW, IMO (hey, double abbreviations, neat): I think you should either decide to take 10 on these Spellcraft checks (which, functionally, will get you the spell always and the weird stuff never in my case -- at least for now -- as I'm defaulting to taking 10 on the Perform checks to disguise them), or roll, but be consistent about it. And I don't know if it should be different for my spells as opposed to other people's, if that makes sense, at least until there's other reason for suspicion. Which there probably isn't, yet, but probably will be at some future point. (Realizing that mysterious healing is happening, since that's something else I make efforts to disguise, would be a decent tip off.)

    Disclaimer: I could be wrong.
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    Hasn't Dalen already seen unusual healing from Aliani in the previous world? If we're talking about what I'd ordinarily roll with respect to another party member... well, I wouldn't even bother making a check at all under normal conditions.

    Anyways, I'm under no rush for the "reveal" here. It will come eventually, and even if we restrict Dalen just to taking 10 it's likely Aliani will get caught once we're 5th or 6th level.

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