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2018-02-13, 09:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
Depending on how close you hew to history, about the only thing that you cannot do on a flag is use purple because of the expense of the dye. Otherwise, you can probably find a terribly designed flag to point to show how your flag isn't as terribly designed as that.
Going for US state flags, I like how some are almost proper flags, but then it got to committee.
Committee Member: "So, it's a single star in a vertical stripe, and two horizontal stripes?"
Designer: "Yes sir. Simple. Clean. Recognizable."
Committee Member II: "Yes. But, it just doesn't say 'North Carolina' to me. Put 'NC' on the flag."
Designer: "But that will look..."
Committee Member III: "I see you removed the dates."
Designer: "I know they have meaning, but that's not the point of a flag."
Committee Member III: "My wife's birthday is May 20th."
Designer: "I'll put them back."
Committee Member IV: "My cousin puts out a clip-art CD. Can we work this budget scroll work in there somewhere?"
Committee Member III: "We can use them as the background for the dates!"
Designer: "Fine. You know what? As long as I get paid. I'm moving to Alabama."
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2018-02-13, 11:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
For reference, here is my province' Coat of Arms:
The provincial flag is in the sheild.
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2018-02-14, 12:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
As far as I know flags don't have any real rules to them. Heraldry traditionally has rules, because it originated as a way of practically identifying knights on a battlefield, much like modern uniforms and rank insignia. A system which only worked if everyone agreed to play by the same rules. And like all military fashions in a time of war, it eventually became fashionable in a civil context. National Flags are a much more modern thing and usually came down to either historical precedent or symbolism (Republics using the Tricolor). So for a flag "it looks cool/meaningful" is a viable answer.
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2018-02-14, 01:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-02-14, 01:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
Because I felt like putting it together, and it's a really simple image, what I would propose as a flag for Missouri, were it an issue for anybody but me. :P
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2018-02-14, 09:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
Michigan state flag:
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2018-02-14, 09:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
You should be able to come up with some simple rules for your own setting, I think. Like, I don't know: background color denotes main culture, animals denote certain old bloodlines, a chevron or a stripe to denote if they're landed or not, etc.
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2018-02-14, 04:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
I like the waving sasquatch.
My own home state, Vermont, is another of the lamentable "state seal centered on a dark blue field" ones, but IMAO one of the nicer-looking ones of that category. Our original flag (green field, blue canton with a quirkily irregular spatter of white stars) was still way better. The state-seal-on-blue ones where they solved the "they all look the same" problem by printing the state name on it in big block letters (Wisconsin, Montana, Oregon, Kansas...) are the worst.
Formerly, the worst was Georgia's 2001–2003 flag, which contained insets of five other flags in a sort of Inception of bad vexillology.Play your character, not your alignment.
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2018-02-14, 04:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
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2018-02-14, 05:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
It is one thing to suspend your disbelief. It is another thing entirely to hang it by the neck until dead.
Verisimilitude -- n, the appearance or semblance of truth, likelihood, or probability.
The concern is not realism in speculative fiction, but rather the sense that a setting or story could be real, fostered by internal consistency and coherence.
The Worldbuilding Forum -- where realities are born.
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2018-02-14, 09:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
Shhhhh, I think Mr. Campbell has the far more entertaining, and therefore better, answer. I mean, tons of flags have ideas of exploration or some such, but how many have bigfoot!? Through I think that means that the empire of the OP's post should start using giant eagles. I mean, why shouldn't the flag double as a warning sign?
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2018-02-14, 09:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
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2018-02-14, 11:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
The flag of Hawaii is pretty good as a national flag (because it originally was a national flag for the Kingdom of Hawaii).
The flag of Texas works too. It's just the American flag but dumbed down for people that don't want to count higher than one.
"How many red stripes and how many white? And how many stars? Naw. Ain't nobody got time for that! One of each! They'll get the idea." --the designer of the flag of Texas, probably
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2018-02-15, 05:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-02-15, 07:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
It is one thing to suspend your disbelief. It is another thing entirely to hang it by the neck until dead.
Verisimilitude -- n, the appearance or semblance of truth, likelihood, or probability.
The concern is not realism in speculative fiction, but rather the sense that a setting or story could be real, fostered by internal consistency and coherence.
The Worldbuilding Forum -- where realities are born.
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2018-02-15, 07:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
True, Colouring and positioning are the most important factors. Before the industrial era it was nearly impossible to make exact copies everytime you needed a flag/shield, etc.
The Flemish/Brabant lion, seen in Philips 1 coat of arms, according to some historians started as leopards, before shifting towards a lion through the ages.Last edited by mig el pig; 2018-02-15 at 07:41 AM.
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2018-02-15, 12:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
Ouch on the Pepsi bit, but I do see what you mean. Thanks, otherwise!
Main design considerations were to keep the RWB color scheme and just reshape it to say "Missouri" in as simple a way as possible.
If I wanted to get gaudy I could put a stylized (we're talking "twitter symbol" or "Jesus Fish" levels stylized and simplicity here) bluejay on one of the red panels, and an equally stylized dogwood flower on the other. (State bird and state flower, respectively.) Though to be honest, I always thought they were rather arbitrarily chosen state symbols. They're hardly unique to the state.
I also considered adding white stripes to the blue field, both in a call-back to the American flag's white stripes and to increase the "water" look of it. (I'm kind-of picturing it as a very stylized look at the arch over the river with the sunset (in the west) in the background, since the Gateway Arch symbolizes the Gateway to the West, and Missouri was often considered the eastern-most "Western State.")
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2018-02-15, 12:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
Yeah, I'd avoid state symbols that you share with other states, such as the dogwood. That's going to get confusing fast.
Also, Missouri has the bluebird as the state symbol, not the blue jay.For all of your completely and utterly honest needs. Zaydos made, Tiefling approved.
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2018-02-15, 01:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-02-15, 01:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
That sounds like someone misunderstanding what "leopard" means in heraldry. "Leopard" or "leo pard" (bearded lion) is the heraldic name for what we would consider a lion.
The three lions of the English royal arms are, in heraldic terms, leopards...
I have no idea what the heraldic term for a real leopard is, except possibly a lion (or a leo).
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2018-02-16, 12:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
At the end of the day, as long a you're not flying Finland's special lion, who stabbed himself in the head and is trying to eat a bunch of flowers, if this comic is to be believed, you're golden in my books.
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2018-02-16, 01:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
Google weird flags. You might be a tad disappointed. I suggest to the OP of giving a rival to the imperial flag a very silly flag just as a point of interest.
That's what you get for stealing our state bird. Through, that does bring up a point: would anyone else be using the eagle? It's a rather common motif, IIRC, so would anyone else be stealing their symbols?Last edited by Honest Tiefling; 2018-02-16 at 01:21 PM.
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2018-02-16, 01:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-02-16, 01:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
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2018-02-16, 02:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-02-16, 02:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
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2018-02-16, 02:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
Mostly because it was a short lived war flag.....
California was an independent nation for all of a month or so....
Generally called the Bear Flag Republic but never officially because it was basically only was supposed to last to get the okay from the US to join as a state...Heck the star in the state flag corner was in part a show of solidarity with Texas about going to war with Mexico of all things. It was all very loosy goosey.
As for the OP flag I would say that is an excellent flag.
See the Prussian flag...or even the modern German flag which under some situations still has the black eagle on gold shield (which may be the war flag)...or the Polish State Flag..or even the Canadian flag....yeah. That is an excellent flag.
actually most flags older than say the French Revolution would not be considered "Good" by a lot of the new ideas of what is a "good" flag....which now are the easy ones to tell apart. The mass of tricolor and four bar flags is just kinda gets in the way. "good" flag design ends up with too many similar flags which become easy to confuse. Which means new "Good" flag ideas come to prominence.
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2018-02-16, 03:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
Hey, Oregon's is unique! And by "unique" I mean "contains additional bad ideas that set it apart from the others, like being totally different on the back than on the front"
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2018-02-16, 04:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
...*sigh*
State...game bird. Really.
Shows how much Missourians care about it that I never knew that, despite growing up there.
And I named Patrick Stewart because his bald head came to mind with "bald eagle." Sam Eagle is, in fact, quite awesome. His segments in the most recent Muppet movie (Most Wanted) were my favorites.
And Patrick Stewart's American accent would be as flawless as his French one.
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2018-02-16, 04:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Flag design vs Heraldry, an odd conversation with a friend.
Those are silver foxes, which are actually native to the province. PEI had a pretty rich history of fur trade as we managed to successfully capture and breed them for their pelts. Since there is little demand for it nowadays, the foxes were let free and you still see them around town or in the fields by my parent's place.