Magic The Gathering Thread XXIII: Modern is Dead, Long Live Modern

[tonberrian]

I don't think the concept of "control" of something even applies to anything that isn't on the battlefield or stack. A card exiled by Ixalan's Binding or similar is just in exile, not controlled by anyone.

The definition of ownership in the game is the same as it is outside the game. The owner of the card is the person who brought it to the game and will take it home (or sell it, or throw it in the trash, etc.) afterward.

Smallest of nitpicking: Not quite true, Tempest Efreet and Timmerian Fiends do exist, after all.

[Androgeus]

Smallest of nitpicking: Not quite true, Tempest Efreet and Timmerian Fiends do exist, after all.

Yes, but ante is silly.

[Emmerlaus]

Yes, but ante is silly.

And I thought Ante was removed from MTG official rule, no longer allowed? Like Manaburn.

[Androgeus]

And I thought Ante was removed from MTG official rule, no longer allowed? Like Manaburn.

It's still in the comprehensive rules (section 407 if you really care), where the very first subsection specificity calls out that it is strictly forbidden by tournament rules. Even if you are playing casually it also notes you are only allowed if local laws would permit it.

[Zhentarim]

Two questions:

1) What is the opposite of weenie’s deck play-style-wise?

2) What is a death and taxes deck?

[LaZodiac]

Two questions:

1) What is the opposite of weenie’s deck play-style-wise?

2) What is a death and taxes deck?

Two answers:

1) Big tall boys. Height over width.

2) Black-White removal/self sacc and life drain. Based on the Orzhov, who are undead bankers and thus represent the two inevitabilities in life.

[Fable Wright]

2) Black-White removal/self sacc and life drain. Based on the Orzhov, who are undead bankers and thus represent the two inevitabilities in life.

Incorrect.

Death & Taxes is a white weenies deck focused on the opponent of lands and creatures, often through Flicker effects and things like Flickerwisp and Mangara of Corondor. The term for the deck came from a tournament goer in Lorwyn saying there were three inevitablities: Death, taxes, and white weenies placing at tournaments. It has changed to mana denial over sheer aggression over time, but the deck is still named such.

[Mystic Muse]

Two answers:

1) Big tall boys. Height over width.

2) Black-White removal/self sacc and life drain. Based on the Orzhov, who are undead bankers and thus represent the two inevitabilities in life.

You're correct on the first one, but as Fabe Wright mentioned, wrong on the second. The second is more like an aristocrats deck.

[Tvtyrant]

Black white control in olde circles was Deadguy Ale. D&T played black and white in modern for a while before Eldrazi replaced the black part, Eldrazi and Taxes is the most common form now.

[Ninjaman]

Incorrect.

Death & Taxes is a white weenies deck focused on the opponent of lands and creatures, often through Flicker effects and things like Flickerwisp and Mangara of Corondor. The term for the deck came from a tournament goer in Lorwyn saying there were three inevitablities: Death, taxes, and white weenies placing at tournaments. It has changed to mana denial over sheer aggression over time, but the deck is still named such.

I always assumed the taxes part reffered to tax effects, most notably Thalia.

[Douglas]

Smallest of nitpicking: Not quite true, Tempest Efreet and Timmerian Fiends do exist, after all.

Those cards only affect my final clarifying sentence, and not even all of it. "The definition of ownership in the game is the same as it is outside the game" remains true, as by the rules of the game you get to keep the card that you exchanged Tempest Efreet for, to take home, sell, trade, or throw away however you want. That is why it is only legal when playing for ante, where the rules themselves dictate that ownership of at least one card per player is at stake. If you start a game that's playing for ante, you've already accepted that you might not be taking home all the cards that you brought with you, so cards that affect that are considered a valid game mechanic.

[LaZodiac]

For what it's worth, what I said FEELS correct.

But yeah no I know jack **** about pro magic.

[tgva8889]

I always assumed the taxes part reffered to tax effects, most notably Thalia.

I don't think anyone is quite sure anymore, but I think the name Death and Taxes is older than people actually playing taxing effects in that deck. Now that I think about it, Thalia is the only "tax" effect people commonly play in Death & Taxes these days, unless you count Wasteland.

[Ninjaman]

I don't think anyone is quite sure anymore, but I think the name Death and Taxes is older than people actually playing taxing effects in that deck. Now that I think about it, Thalia is the only "tax" effect people commonly play in Death & Taxes these days, unless you count Wasteland.

Leonin Arbiter, in modern at least.

[Shadow of the Sun]

Rishidan Port is also kind of taxing, I guess...

But yes, the name predates both the use of Thalia and Orzhov.

[Gauntlet]

I guess we need a new thread name soon.

Magic The Gathering Threat XXIV - Where Spoiler Season Never Ends

[Spore]

Following the trend on Reddit regarding M20:

Magic The Gathering Thread XXIV - I swear this thread's good in Limited.
Magic The Gathering Thread XXIV - Leylines will shine

[LaZodiac]

Thread title suggestion: *Slaps Roof* This Thread Can Hold So Many Chandras.

[unseenmage]

Thread title suggestion: *Slaps Roof* This Thread Can Hold So Many Chandras.

This. Because it genuinely got laughter to leak out of me.

[Emmerlaus]

Magic The Gathering Thread XXIV - Red call Shenanigans, Shahelli is NOT happy

Magic The Gathering Thread XXIV - Bag of Holding, replacing Adventuring Gear since 2020

Magic The Gathering Thread XXIV - When Elementals are out of their elements

[Tvtyrant]

Thread title suggestion: *Slaps Roof* This Thread Can Hold So Many Chandras.

I vote for this one!

[Emmerlaus]

I vote for this one!

I would love to understand the joke/référence for this one lol

[Tvtyrant]

I would love to understand the joke/référence for this one lol

There was a meme this year of a salesman slapping a car and making a ludicrous claim about it, which got face swapped into various characters and the car representing different things. Like Teferi slapping a car and saying it holds so many counter spells.

They just printed three chandras in one set, which is where the "so many chandras" comes in.

[Emmerlaus]

I had to look it up. I dont keep up with the meme culture it seem.

[Ninjaman]

Thread title suggestion: *Slaps Roof* This Thread Can Hold So Many Chandras.

Think it will be this one.

[Starbuck_II]

It's still in the comprehensive rules (section 407 if you really care), where the very first subsection specificity calls out that it is strictly forbidden by tournament rules. Even if you are playing casually it also notes you are only allowed if local laws would permit it.

Ante is one way to play with a smaller deck then?
if you have both Tempest Efreet and Timmerian Fiends in your deck, you get a 58/60 deck legally (since it says to remove before playing). That would improve chances of drawing a card.

[Carl]

Ante is one way to play with a smaller deck then?
if you have both Tempest Efreet and Timmerian Fiends in your deck, you get a 58/60 deck legally (since it says to remove before playing). That would improve chances of drawing a card.

Yeah but neither card is going to be trivial to get ahold of. Also i'd imagine the check for if your deck is a legal size would happen after that is applied. If not it's probably a loophole. It's not like the MTG dev team is perfect, i mean Urza's Saga happened, (Also Esper in current Ravnica Block though that merely disgustingly powerful, not broken beyond belief).

[LansXero]

legal size for what? Ante isnt legal in any format. Might as well play with printed cards for all the difference it would make

[enderlord99]

Ante isnt legal in any format.

I looked it up, assuming there would surely be an ante card in, at the very least, Unformat.

Nope. You were right.

[Bucky]

In fringe formats that don't bother banning them, you can play with a library as small as 24 cards if you want.