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    I don't think the concept of "control" of something even applies to anything that isn't on the battlefield or stack. A card exiled by Ixalan's Binding or similar is just in exile, not controlled by anyone.

    The definition of ownership in the game is the same as it is outside the game. The owner of the card is the person who brought it to the game and will take it home (or sell it, or throw it in the trash, etc.) afterward.
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    Smallest of nitpicking: Not quite true, Tempest Efreet and Timmerian Fiends do exist, after all.
    Yes, but ante is silly.
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    Yes, but ante is silly.
    And I thought Ante was removed from MTG official rule, no longer allowed? Like Manaburn.

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    And I thought Ante was removed from MTG official rule, no longer allowed? Like Manaburn.
    It's still in the comprehensive rules (section 407 if you really care), where the very first subsection specificity calls out that it is strictly forbidden by tournament rules. Even if you are playing casually it also notes you are only allowed if local laws would permit it.
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    Two questions:

    1) What is the opposite of weenie’s deck play-style-wise?

    2) What is a death and taxes deck?
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    Two questions:

    1) What is the opposite of weenie’s deck play-style-wise?

    2) What is a death and taxes deck?
    Two answers:

    1) Big tall boys. Height over width.

    2) Black-White removal/self sacc and life drain. Based on the Orzhov, who are undead bankers and thus represent the two inevitabilities in life.
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    2) Black-White removal/self sacc and life drain. Based on the Orzhov, who are undead bankers and thus represent the two inevitabilities in life.
    Incorrect.

    Death & Taxes is a white weenies deck focused on the opponent of lands and creatures, often through Flicker effects and things like Flickerwisp and Mangara of Corondor. The term for the deck came from a tournament goer in Lorwyn saying there were three inevitablities: Death, taxes, and white weenies placing at tournaments. It has changed to mana denial over sheer aggression over time, but the deck is still named such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    Two answers:

    1) Big tall boys. Height over width.

    2) Black-White removal/self sacc and life drain. Based on the Orzhov, who are undead bankers and thus represent the two inevitabilities in life.
    You're correct on the first one, but as Fabe Wright mentioned, wrong on the second. The second is more like an aristocrats deck.
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    Black white control in olde circles was Deadguy Ale. D&T played black and white in modern for a while before Eldrazi replaced the black part, Eldrazi and Taxes is the most common form now.
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    Incorrect.

    Death & Taxes is a white weenies deck focused on the opponent of lands and creatures, often through Flicker effects and things like Flickerwisp and Mangara of Corondor. The term for the deck came from a tournament goer in Lorwyn saying there were three inevitablities: Death, taxes, and white weenies placing at tournaments. It has changed to mana denial over sheer aggression over time, but the deck is still named such.
    I always assumed the taxes part reffered to tax effects, most notably Thalia.
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    Smallest of nitpicking: Not quite true, Tempest Efreet and Timmerian Fiends do exist, after all.
    Those cards only affect my final clarifying sentence, and not even all of it. "The definition of ownership in the game is the same as it is outside the game" remains true, as by the rules of the game you get to keep the card that you exchanged Tempest Efreet for, to take home, sell, trade, or throw away however you want. That is why it is only legal when playing for ante, where the rules themselves dictate that ownership of at least one card per player is at stake. If you start a game that's playing for ante, you've already accepted that you might not be taking home all the cards that you brought with you, so cards that affect that are considered a valid game mechanic.
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    For what it's worth, what I said FEELS correct.

    But yeah no I know jack **** about pro magic.


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