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    AssassinGuy

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    Default Re: Trouble with uncompromising players.

    For the dryad player, ask them what it is about the Dryad is fun for them. Its more work, and its kind of obnoxious, but its not inherently game ending to work with this person as long as it doesn't escalate into them demanding other special favors from the DM, or trying to use their dryad race to get away with stuff you don't want to allow them to do.

    For the rape roleplayer, they get one warning. That is not acceptable behavior, no tolerance. If he needs to do it to have fun, he has to find his fun elsewhere. That is the sort of behavior that can legitimately offend or hurt the real players at the table, and if even one person* is not OK with it, it needs to stop. No amount of fun is worth any real world harm done to a group of friends. Don't allow any room for ambiguity here, he needs to know this problem is entirely on him.

    *assuming this is a person you want to game with. If its a random person who asked to join the group and not somebody you actually invited, then they should probably try to game elsewhere.
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    Players are a dime a dozen, whereas DMs are hard to find. Boot the "speshul snowflake" Dryad player unless he accepts that "no, you can't play a dryad." And then tell the rapist that he's out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keltest View Post
    For the rape roleplayer, they get one warning. That is not acceptable behavior, no tolerance. If he needs to do it to have fun, he has to find his fun elsewhere. That is the sort of behavior that can legitimately offend or hurt the real players at the table, and if even one person* is not OK with it, it needs to stop.
    Yup. Specifically, I won't role-play a rape victim as DM. No. Just no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay R View Post
    Yup. Specifically, I won't role-play a rape victim as DM. No. Just no.
    That may be an incredibly useful thing to say to him actually. "Ok, you are insisting on roleplaying the aggressor. Whom do you think then has to play the victim? Yeah, me. Do you think I want to play the victim? Rhetorical question, I don't. I absolutely do not. And I will not. Now, you have your 3 options to pursue, pick one."
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    The half-orc rapist sounds like a player I wouldn't want to play with, even if he picked up the slack. It just comes across as really creepy.

    The dryad thing can be resolved like the other players have suggested, but I can suggest that you can tell him about the problems with dryads, as they are bound to their trees and meadows, so it's difficult for dryads to leave their homes and go adventuring. If he doesn't provide a backstory to accomodate her loss of home, let her know she has to play something she can actually roleplay.

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    "Hey, guys? I'm REALLY not having a fun time with all the rape jokes and juvenile bathroom humor. I would rather play MONOPOLY than run another session for you like the last one. So we've got two options here: stop the rape jokes - right now - or end the campaign right now and play <insert favorite board game here>, which I just happen to have brought with me today. What's it to be?"

    Leave option three - pack my stuff up, and go see a movie without you three lugs - unsaid, but keep it in the back of your mind.

    As a group, we forumites tend to be incredibly arrogant, and always assume our solutions will work (just like Dr. McKay). But we can never really tell unless you come back and let us know how things worked out for you. So (channeling Iago from Aladin here), how'd it go? Jaffar: I think she took it... rather well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Torath View Post
    As a group, we forumites tend to be incredibly arrogant, and always assume our solutions will work (just like Dr. McKay). But we can never really tell unless you come back and let us know how things worked out for you. So (channeling Iago from Aladin here), how'd it go? Jaffar: I think she took it... rather well!
    That solution will work, for some value of "working".

    In any situation like this, you can ask the person to stop doing what's bugging you. They either will or they won't. If they won't, you can decide whether it's worth continuing to game with them. Which it either is or it isn't.

    It's pretty much that simple.

    What doesn't work is "how can I get this person to change?". You can't. You can ask them to modify their behavior, and you can decide whether it's so intolerable you can't deal with it. That's the choice you get.
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    Default Re: Trouble with uncompromising players.

    Thanks for all the helpful advice folks. The Dryad player actually decided that playing a Dryad was annoying, so dropped it completely in favor of a planetouched (undecided which kind) Warlock. Totally out of left field and brought it up himself.

    The Orc listened and switched to a human Paladin, who now gives out pamphlets to everyone he meets in an effort to get them to worship his chosen god. Eccentric, but I guess all is well?

    Appreciate all the help everyone. Can close out this thread.

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    Former Dryad Player: That should work as long as the type of Planetouched you pick is something there are Player Character Race stats for.




    Former Orc:That, went FAR better than I imagined it would. Yeah, a religious character handing out pamphlets Jehovah's Witness style is quirky but harmless in and of itself in my estimation. Certainly much more so than what he was doing before.




    Well done, I'd call this one more or less solved! =)
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    That's an all round happy end if I ever saw one. Amazing.

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    Wow. Player 1 may have just latched onto a different idea to obsess about, but I think player 2 may have actually had a moment of meaningful self-reflection there. That was unexpected but... that is a pretty good sign.

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    I want to believe that the backstory of the human paladin is that he's a reformed and polymorphed half-orc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cluedrew View Post
    Wow. Player 1 may have just latched onto a different idea to obsess about, but I think player 2 may have actually had a moment of meaningful self-reflection there. That was unexpected but... that is a pretty good sign.
    Does it matter though? Player 1 is now obsessing about something that's effectively harmless to the game. So he gives people a bit of paper at every opportunity and makes a small sermon to try and get them on board with his temple. Big deal. He's a character who get's divine ability's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metahuman1 View Post
    Does it matter though? Player 1 is now obsessing about something that's effectively harmless to the game. So he gives people a bit of paper at every opportunity and makes a small sermon to try and get them on board with his temple. Big deal. He's a character who get's divine ability's.
    That's Player 2 (Orc McOhnoputthatinnocentpersondownthisinstandyousicko ), not Player 1 (Dryady treedude).

    The problem with Player 1 wasn't that his obsession was harmful, just hard to implement in a satisfying way (you know, as borked as it was Level Adjustment did at least try to make such characters viable). Although apart from misinterpreting which player is which you're spot on.

    There is the problem of Player 1 going to a specialist snowflake character, but that's not certain yet, Player 2 is just being stereotypical, which in a tabletop game is completely fine as long as the group is in on it (I mean, in my current group I'm making fun of my RL religion if I get the chance, but not those of other members).
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