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    If I haven't already mentioned it, congratz! Kids are so much fun (and a lot of work)!

    But Wynonna Earp was an okay show. Some pretty great casting. But that is a great campaign idea! Demon then, if Saminga-based?
    Thanks.

    For the game: probably angels, mostly fighting a scheme of Saminga. Or maybe sorcerers. There a lot an angel, demon, or sorcerer could do in the Wild West where there's not much law (or Game/Judgement) and native ethereals are probably mostly unscathed. I don't know the canon of the Purity War's scope, but I reckon a lot of Native American ethereal spirits didn't get wiped out until the colonial age.

    For the show: I really liked season 1, and season 2 seemed okay, but it seems like it's got the escalation problem a lot of shows have of "we beat the big bad. Oh, here's a Bigger Bad, that was secretly behind the stuff all along and/or using it to its advantage". Though I guess Wynonna just hunting demons to wipe them all out would get boring in a "monster of the week" sorta feel.
    Maybe I'll pick it up eventually. I do like a nice fantasy/semi-horror show to watch while folding laundry.

    On a canon note: is there any canon knowledge of it Superiors have Hearts and, if they do, what they are or how they work? Or what happens if you kill a Superior in its vessel?
    I sorta get the idea that, for Superiors, there's not as much distinction between celestial and corporeal form. It definitely seems that they can appear in their vessels in Heaven, whereas Servitors cannot. E.g., Gabriel looks feminine in Heaven and not only as burning wheels of fire, at least if she wants to. So maybe to kill the corporeal form really is to kill the Superior (but killing the corporeal form is substantially more difficult such that it should be equivalent to killing the Superior.)


    EDIT: editing in a couple texts, but nothing really important.
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    I think the only issue with period games is that some tweaks have to be made to various rules that presume a late Twentieth Century/early Twenty First Century tech level - an angel serving Marc won't get far with their magic credit card!

    Losing Nybass is also a blow though Mammon (who in canon used to be a major prince) might be an interesting antagonist (or boss!)

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    I think the only issue with period games is that some tweaks have to be made to various rules that presume a late Twentieth Century/early Twenty First Century tech level - an angel serving Marc won't get far with their magic credit card!

    Losing Nybass is also a blow though Mammon (who in canon used to be a major prince) might be an interesting antagonist (or boss!)
    Yeah, that would take some work. I'd also need to rework some stuff for Jean and Vapula. I think I have a book with some of Jean's older Attunements, or maybe it was Vapula's. But enough to get inspiration.

    I've also been thinking of, for shorter games, augmenting the Creation Choir Attunements that are basically "if you also spent 10 points on this power, you can now make a magic item." Add that you have a magic item equal to <some formula> points, either from making it previously or by trading something you made, with the caveat that if you make a new item in-game, it's not really "yours" unless you buy it with points or trade in your old attunement-item.
    One thing I dislike about most magic items is that, if you can make it, you probably have no reason to need it personally. Except reliquaries. Those are always handy.

    In short games, powers like the default crafting are pretty useless; in long games with a lot of downtime, they are overpowered (assuming the DM doesn't make you buy them with points). So something like that seems a good medium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeenLeen View Post
    On a canon note: is there any canon knowledge of it Superiors have Hearts and, if they do, what they are or how they work?
    Superiors can create and destroy Hearts at will. They manipulate the Forces involved on a fundamental level. So it's probably reasonable to assume that they don't need an actual object, in the way that their Servitors do.

    Or what happens if you kill a Superior in its vessel?
    Usually nothing. Superiors rarely concentrate their whole selves within a single vessel. And even if they are doing that when the vessel is destroyed, they can just switch to another. Low stakes duels between Superiors often occur within vessels, for this very reason.

    I sorta get the idea that, for Superiors, there's not as much distinction between celestial and corporeal form. It definitely seems that they can appear in their vessels in Heaven, whereas Servitors cannot. E.g., Gabriel looks feminine in Heaven and not only as burning wheels of fire, at least if she wants to. So maybe to kill the corporeal form really is to kill the Superior (but killing the corporeal form is substantially more difficult such that it should be equivalent to killing the Superior.)
    This ability isn't restricted to Superiors. Almost any Celestial can assume the form of their vessel while in Heaven/Hell. It's a simple cosmetic trick. Their true form remains visible beneath the façade. So it can't actually be used to fool anyone.

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    ”It is good to see you unharmed. These are troubled days, and more ahead I fear.” Solomon said as he stepped towards her with a hand outstretched in welcome.
    I know the Resonance results will likely be secret between Erulasto and Anyr, but pointing out that 4 might be a +2 for a 6 if Sarah took his hand. Glad for PCs to gain more knowledge of our dissonant cherub


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    With Celestial Affinity, Sarah can track down anyone she has a Geas on, correct?
    Do the other angels (namely Harry) know she has that Song?

    Won't change much, but would give a measure of security if/when she Geases Famine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeenLeen View Post
    I know the Resonance results will likely be secret between Erulasto and Anyr, but pointing out that 4 might be a +2 for a 6 if Sarah took his hand. Glad for PCs to gain more knowledge of our dissonant cherub
    I deliberately didn't claim that bonus. Unlike nearly all other Resonances, Lilim don't necessarily get better results from a high check digit. Sometimes they benefit more from a lesser desire.

    Granted, they'll occasionally hit the jackpot: A desire that's colossal for the target, but trivial for the Lilim. Like an athlete who needs their injured leg to heal before tomorrow's Olympic games. With the right Song, the Lilim earns a level 6 Geas in seconds.

    With Celestial Affinity, Sarah can track down anyone she has a Geas on, correct?
    Correct.

    Do the other angels (namely Harry) know she has that Song?
    Most don't. She doesn't want people getting too curious about her Geas collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anyr View Post
    I deliberately didn't claim that bonus. Unlike nearly all other Resonances, Lilim don't necessarily get better results from a high check digit. Sometimes they benefit more from a lesser desire.

    Granted, they'll occasionally hit the jackpot: A desire that's colossal for the target, but trivial for the Lilim. Like an athlete who needs their injured leg to heal before tomorrow's Olympic games. With the right Song, the Lilim earns a level 6 Geas in seconds.
    That's a very good point. (I actually think Malakim are similar. Technically, a 6 gives an overall sense of honor and the heights/depths of potential, but it doesn't give past honorable/dishonorable deeds like a 5 or lower do. Hmm... another way Malakim and Lilim are similar, I suppose.)

    And I figured Harry didn't know she had Celestial Affinity, but wanted to confirm.

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    Quick reminder: I need the Geas result for Solomon before I can post. The one for Khalil doesn't matter so much. But if Sarah has just learnt something important about Solomon, then it's going to affect her approach.

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    Apologies for the delay. I'll have the Geas results to Anyr today and the post up a bit after that!
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    Sorry for my own delay - busy last few days I'm afraid! I'll have an IC post in the morning.

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    It's all good. It's been a really heavy week for a lot of folks, I know.

    I have the post done save Anyr's part, but due to my own work schedule I was just able to get the Geas info to them now. I'll have it up later today once Anyr has a chance to post.

    Sorry folks!

    Thanks for the continued patience and interest!
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    Is Khalil's legal assessment correct? This is an area where Sarah knows more than I do.

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    From what I could dig up online, seems legit. I don't expect Erulasto to take my word for it though.

    If Khalil was hired by a company, entity, or whatever in relation to a civil case then there are EXTREME restrictions, including NO DECEPTION whatsoever. This is designed to protect workers from companies in, lets say, a workman's comp case. However, as the nature of his work was the simple location/retrieval of Kaitlin, hired by Justin, a private citizen, there is a ton of liberty since there is no open civil case. Finding illegal activity as a PI isn't much different than finding it as a private citizen, but as a PI there are some rules for defense:

    Protection of a person, if it is "incidental" to an investigation and if the investigator complies with the PIA's firearms and insurance requirements (Bus. & Prof. Code §7521.5.)

    Pretty much all of his actions can be seen as 'in Kaitlin's defense', including bringing her captors/abusers to justice by obtaining evidence which establishes intent (and the illegal activity) of her would-be abusers. Or we can call it being a good Samaritan/contentious citizen. Khalil can also be called upon as a witness in court despite his involvement.

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    Sounds fairly legit to me, although I'm no specialist. I do think Khalil could potentially be brought up on assault charges for the severity of his attacks: essentially castrating the fat man and whatever Madrizel tells. On the other hand, Madrizel's vanity will probably preclude her letting her face stay marred. And I reckon a jury would be rather forgiving of a man going a bit overboard when rescuing two underage girls.

    I think it's certainly in line with the cinematic feel of a PI, a la Jessica Jones.

    Also, let's be careful delving too much into the law. I guess we're not talking legal advice (as prohibited by forum rules), but real-life legalities is kinda close.

    On another hand: I hope Issac winds up okay. At least, if it's not this is some plot of his to become the new guy in charge of the Rhapsody once his boss is in jail.


    EDIT: if the place was close to becoming a Tether, the Noise that Khalil made fighting the humans there should have disrupted the formation. Right?
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    They'd have to prove that a frail old man was capable of doing all the things you described. Hate to say it, but a lot of this will most likely be glossed over in the spirit of keeping the mortals ignorant. That means lying in court. Were I Madrizel, I'd be sanitizing everything in that place and killing off witnesses just to cover the criminal activity. Turn it into a legit basement storage space fast. Depending on what is found on the videos... I wonder if they'd be stupid enough to have video proof of demons.

    Jessica Jones does illegal crap constantly, hence why most of her stuff is private hires under the table. The few times she is doing legitimate work she is bored, taking pictures, and being generally quiet.

    All this legal talk is for the sake of the game, I don't feel like we're stepping on toes. If we are uncomfortable with this we can just let Erulasto decide was is legal or illegal in our universe.

    I dunno, sounds like some stuff demons would pull as a power play. What demon wouldn't like the opportunity to throw a Malakite at their rivals/bosses.

    Unfortunately, I think Khalil fed the tether Madrizel's pain (probably the others too). Or something. Reading back on the posts that is how it sounds to me. OR maybe the place will filling up to capacity with noise/energy and would pop if he kept it up.

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    Fair enough on the legalities. I think I might've conflated some of the rationale for real-life politics/religion with real-life legal stuff. We're probably fine.

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    I dunno, sounds like some stuff demons would pull as a power play. What demon wouldn't like the opportunity to throw a Malakite at their rivals/bosses.

    Unfortunately, I think Khalil fed the tether Madrizel's pain (probably the others too). Or something. Reading back on the posts that is how it sounds to me. OR maybe the place will filling up to capacity with noise/energy and would pop if he kept it up.
    Good point. Even if realizing your Malakite, that doesn't mean it's not a plot of Belial that led you to her.

    As for the Tether: I honestly don't know enough of the metaphysics of the setting to know if that's a thing or not. It sounded to me like the place was some sort of artifact or warded region with one of those Songs that inhibit Noise. But no reason that couldn't be a set-up to fuel a Tether. I'll try to find the time to re-read that section.

    Also, I really enjoyed the "wall of text" description of Khalil's action. It was a legitimately pleasant read, and it made me feel less bad for how often I get 'wall-of-text'y.

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    I did feel self-conscious over the amount of text, but tried telling myself that whole block isn't even a 5 minute conversation. Hell, I can rattle that off in bout a minute or so. I tend to be long-winded IRL, if that helps.

    I'd haaaate to think Belial is pulling strings here. I'd be dumb to assume he isn't.

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    I did feel self-conscious over the amount of text, but tried telling myself that whole block isn't even a 5 minute conversation. Hell, I can rattle that off in bout a minute or so. I tend to be long-winded IRL, if that helps.
    I think part of PbP is that it 'helps' to do lengthier text sometimes in order to get info relayed that would, in an in-person game, probably be broken up with some back-and-forths. Like, it'd make sense for Sarah or Jerechial to make small comments between some of your paragraphs, but it works just as well to do a wall-of-text so we're not spending days with the back-and-forth. Not to say some back-and-forth isn't necessary, but I think it helps.

    And it really makes sense in your case, as it is Khalil giving a (in-game-time, relatively short) exposition on the events that factor into the legality of the situation.
    More sense than Harry's occasional ramblings

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    I'd haaaate to think Belial is pulling strings here. I'd be dumb to assume he isn't.
    Some of this might not have been revealed IC yet, but based on something Erulasto said I think it's cool to state.
    One thing that surprised me was that Asmodeus is trying to discredit Baal and Belial, in order to get control of the city. Baal being mentioned makes sense as Bethrezen was sort of running things. But Belial, as far as we know, just had a mercenary-demon working out of the city. Death and Lust seem the big players, based on Tethers and mortal influence. I guess there's more to Belial's operations in town than we know of, even ignoring the fires down in Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IC
    Harry sees her clutch as the sleeve of his jacket almost desperately.
    Checking for typos: it is that Selena was clutching at the sleeve of Caul's jacket, correct?
    Wanting to make sure it was her holding onto him, being close to him, and not her subconsciously defensively holding onto herself. Trying to read the setup right. (I at first read it as her clutching her own jacket, which made me think she was worried/scared at his secret message. This actually sounds a lot better now that I reread.)

    ---

    And while I'm in OOC thread: I realize it might not be the wisest move to open with "we are here to help you. Or kill you. Or kill you to long-term help you", but that's Harry.

    That thought got me on a neat mechanical tangent: in a lot of games, there's some sort of Wisdom stat. In D&D terms, this is mostly represented in In Nomine via Will (resisting mental influence) and Perception (sensing stuff). However, there is a nuance of meaning. I think it's fitting that In Nomine doesn't have Wisdom as anything mechanical, since angels and demons are inhuman (to some degree) in their perceptions. Even if not Word-bound, they are still attuned to a Word and focused on it, plus whatever tendencies their Choir/Band give them and just the innate selfishness/selflessness of what they are.

    So acting "wisely" in a sense isn't a thing, since their actions and perception of what is sound action should be shaped by their Word and Choir/Band. Tyranael and Harry's interaction seems an exemplar of this, as Judgement/rationality kept bumping heads with War/truthfulness, but both could work together via the selflessness (and, well, Tyranael's Elohite patience with the troublesome pigeon.)

    No idea if the game designers had any of that intention, but at least in retrospect it's a cool thing of the semantics of the mechanics.
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    Hey folks. My apologies for the delay.

    Work kicked my butt something fierce this weekend. I'm playing catch up. Post will be up later today!
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    @RossN: nice Resonance roll. I'm rather curious what Hawkins is more than what's motivating him, unless it's Garezar.

    But isn't it dissonant for Mecurians to even injure humans?
    I just reread the Dissonance section for Mecurians, and it could be read broader but it sounds like any violent action (except against demons) is dissonant.
    Though one could perhaps be generous and say it's only indulging in violence that's dissonant.

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    Ugh. I'm so sorry folks. There's construction near my house and they hit a power line. Took out the transformer and caused a god-awful mess. Took my kids to stay in a hotel for a couple days since we had zero power, and had a couple days off.

    Power has been restored as of last evening, and now that I've made sure my water pipes didn't freeze (damn Canadian weather!) we're settled back home and my couple days off is done.

    A thousand apologies!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeenLeen View Post
    @RossN: nice Resonance roll. I'm rather curious what Hawkins is more than what's motivating him, unless it's Garezar.

    But isn't it dissonant for Mecurians to even injure humans?
    I just reread the Dissonance section for Mecurians, and it could be read broader but it sounds like any violent action (except against demons) is dissonant.
    Though one could perhaps be generous and say it's only indulging in violence that's dissonant.
    Thanks! Yeah I love getting rolls like that, and the result raises so many questions...

    It is dissonant for Mercurians to hurt humans but I think Katriel would have come to blows if Hawkins & Co. had refused to back down. It wouldn't be fun for Kat but her main priority would have been protecting the girl.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erulasto View Post
    Ugh. I'm so sorry folks. There's construction near my house and they hit a power line. Took out the transformer and caused a god-awful mess. Took my kids to stay in a hotel for a couple days since we had zero power, and had a couple days off.

    Power has been restored as of last evening, and now that I've made sure my water pipes didn't freeze (damn Canadian weather!) we're settled back home and my couple days off is done.

    A thousand apologies!
    Wow, that's rough.

    Very glad you're okay Erulasto but I've got to say you have truly terrible luck. I wonder which Demon Prince you've gotten on the bad side of!

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    Those are some rough power issues, yeah.

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    In-game, I touched him so my end result was a Resonance of 4. Which I think just adds what he thinks the truth is if he lied and why he lied/told the truth. Which I think is basically what I got with a 2, so no big deal. But noting it in case I would get any more info.

    Also, if I'm reading it right, he's one of the demons who believed that Redemption is an angelic lie. I recall reading that most Princes try to keep it secret that Redemption is even possible and spread that demons who were "redeemed" were really destroyed.

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    Welcome back! Please, take all the breaks that real life demands. We can wait.

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    I'm feeling a bit more coherent now than when I posted earlier, so I'm editing the last couple paragraphs for conciseness and clarity. I'll leave the original in a spoiler in case that's helpful in any way for Erulasto.

    On the plus side, I reckon this means I'm not sick but it was just exhaustion from a kid staying up in the middle of the night.
    Now to do some dishes and go to bed.


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    Unless Caul wants to try to Redeem now (in which case Harry try to get him to Mercy), Harry recommends Selena take him to the Howlitzer and try to meet up with Sarah for Geasing and take Jason there to wait for Garezar-kill. Harry & Tink get Korganeth's car info from Caul & head that direction to try to find him before he finds the Five. Send Jason & Selena with the journal to bring it to smarter angels.

    Or kill Caul if he's unwilling to share or be Geased


    More relevant edit: how did I misread that the bounty is on Harry instead of on Selena? I guess I misread "Seraph" as "Selena".
    I guess no need to change my post, though let's just say Harry felt really proud at hearing that with a foolish lack of fear. It does weaken the argument for selfless love for Selena, but, well, close enough. He's not seeming to want to turn in Harry or Selena, but he could probably get a reward just for her.
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    On phone security: I've thought some on Harry's phone, and he's not one for really good security. I think I'd like to have it that his phone has literally hundreds of contacts, but most are random businesses or people lifted from the phone book. The idea being that he knows who he cares about, so he can find them in his contacts, but this way there's no way to differentiate between Mercy's Flower Shop and fifty other flower shops on his phone, or the 100+ bars he has in addition to the Howlitzer and Jerechial's number.

    Is that cool?

    OOC: I'm finding it amusing how Khalil, having never met Busy Buy (he wasn't at that first meeting), is assuming the guy killed is Emblem. Good job at internal consistency and non-metagaming, XIII.
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    Someone on Celestial levels of command over technology could do some damage. Find Emblems stuff, maybe figure out how he was communicating with Khalil and helping him. The GPS data links Khalil to RiR and the events that took place. From there, get into Khalil's phone and simply make 2+2 out of my messages and contacts. We're making waves but a lot of people haven't pinned down our identities yet.

    I'm glad you like it Jeen! Khalil needs a lesson what assuming makes out of us.

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    Someone on Celestial levels of command over technology could do some damage. Find Emblems stuff, maybe figure out how he was communicating with Khalil and helping him. The GPS data links Khalil to RiR and the events that took place. From there, get into Khalil's phone and simply make 2+2 out of my messages and contacts. We're making waves but a lot of people haven't pinned down our identities yet.
    I'd feel a lot more comfortable if we could take out Ikorial. But it seems unlikely that Selena or Caul could get him out in the open where Harry or Khalil could kill him.

    I had considered bribing him indirectly, via Selena or Caul making some deal like "you get half our money, if you move the other half to some off-shore account even The Game can't track; in exchange, lay low for the week", but with the rewards being offered for Harry and probably Selena if it gets out she helped against Bethrezen, I doubt they could pay better than Baal, Andrealphus, or Rourke.

    That said, Emblem's computer was based on his Choir Attunement, so usually it doesn't exist: he conjures it as needed. Thus, even if he was killed and his stuff taken, you'd probably be safe.

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    I still want that dang Shedim dead and gone. Also, the fires! Oh the fires call to Khalil! Can't just abandon everything and go though.

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