Monster manual question

[Voltage89]

Quick question. The 5e book does not have titans in it. Are empyreans supposed to be the titans of 5e? I always thought titans were much stronger than a cr 21 considering they fought gods.

[hamishspence]

Nope - 3e Titans were CR21 too:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/titan.htm

that said, one could have it that these are the "1st level warriors" of Titans, and that the god-fighters had power on a par with a 20th level PC, and then some, on top of that.

[Unoriginal]

Quick question. The 5e book does not have titans in it. Are empyreans supposed to be the titans of 5e? I always thought titans were much stronger than a cr 21 considering they fought gods.

Define "Titan".

5e has some beings that have the subtype titan, which include the Empyreans, the Krakens and the Tarrasque.


Also, given that the one god of which we know the stats is CR 30, it stand to reason that several immortal beings of CR 21 could fight a god.

Nope - 3e Titans were CR21 too:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/titan.htm

that said, one could have it that these are the "1st level warriors" of Titans, and that the god-fighters had power on a par with a 20th level PC, and then some, on top of that.

Keep in mind that 3.X gods generally had between 30 and 40 levels of PC classes + 30-50 HD of Exterior, without even counting the powers from their Divine Ranks.

A CR 21 being in 5e is MUCH closer to the main gods' power level than a CR 21 being in 3.X.

[Voltage89]

Define "Titan".

5e has some beings that have the subtype titan, which include the Empyreans, the Krakens and the Tarrasque.


Also, given that the one god of which we know the stats is CR 30, it stand to reason that several immortal beings of CR 21 could fight a god.

What God are you talking about that has a cr 30?

[hamishspence]

I presume Tiamat - wasn't she statted in the Rise of Tiamat adventures - maybe Hoard of the Dragon Queen?

[Unoriginal]

What God are you talking about that has a cr 30?

I'm talking about Tiamat. As hamishspence said, she is stated in the last chapter of Rise of Tiamat.

She is, fittingly enough, the strongest being stated for 5e.

[Tanarii]

Was it actually Tiamat, or an avatar?

[Voltage89]

Alright thanks everyone. I'm gonna be making some titan variants soon so that the titans in my game are not all the same.

[Voltage89]

If anyone has any ideas for them would love to hear them btw

[Unoriginal]

Was it actually Tiamat, or an avatar?

Actual Tiamat, by all indications.

If anyone has any ideas for them would love to hear them btw

Well, you haven't defined what you wanted for the titans.

What kind of beings would you want them to be?

[Millstone85]

Define "Titan".

5e has some beings that have the subtype titan, which include the Empyreans, the Krakens and the Tarrasque.

And here are some definitions from the 5e DMG.

Quasi-deities have a divine origin, but they don't hear or answer prayers, grant spells to clerics, or control aspects of mortal life. They are still immensely powerful beings, and in theory they could ascend to godhood if they amassed enough worshipers. Quasi-deities fall into three subcategories: demigods, titans, and vestiges.

[...]

Titans are the divine creations of deities. They might be birthed from the union of two deities, manufactured on a divine forge, born from the blood spilled by a god, or otherwise brought about through divine will or substance.

Was it actually Tiamat, or an avatar?

Related question: is Tiamat a lesser or greater deity? From the same DMG sidebar, only greater deities manifest avatars. Also, a greater deity's avatar is similar to the actual form of a lesser deity.

[Voltage89]

Actual Tiamat, by all indications.



Well, you haven't defined what you wanted for the titans.

What kind of beings would you want them to be?

I had posted about them yesterday. They are basically beings that were wished away to eternal burial on a strange island many years ago. They are now coming back to life because a villain is casting a ritual to bring them back to life. I am most likely going to make them elemental. Possibly things like earth, fire, storm, shadow.

[Unoriginal]

I had posted about them yesterday. They are basically beings that were wished away to eternal burial on a strange island many years ago. They are now coming back to life because a villain is casting a ritual to bring them back to life. I am most likely going to make them elemental. Possibly things like earth, fire, storm, shadow.

In that case, I'd advise you to check out the stats of the Elemental Evils from "Princes of the Apocalypse".

They're basically that.

[Millstone85]

I had posted about them yesterday. They are basically beings that were wished away to eternal burial on a strange island many years ago. They are now coming back to life because a villain is casting a ritual to bring them back to life. I am most likely going to make them elemental. Possibly things like earth, fire, storm, shadow.

They sound like primordials.

I think the only mention of primordials in a core 5e book, beside the Primordial language, is at the start of the planar ally spell.

You beseech an otherworldly entity for aid. The being must be known to you: a god, a primordial, a demon prince, or some other being of cosmic power. That entity sends a celestial, an elemental, or a fiend loyal to it to aid you, making the creature appear in an unoccupied space within range.

In that case, I'd advise you to check out the stats of the Elemental Evils from "Princes of the Apocalypse".

They're basically that.

And most likely primordials too.