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    I should probably explain how I handle initiative in combat.

    So many of the PbP games I see end up dying because they get caught up waiting for someone to post. So, combat is split into two rounds: the party's turn and the enemy turn. So, all the players (and any friendly NPCs) will effectively act at the same time. I calculate initiative by rolling initiative for both sides, and combining the totals - and if one side has more people than the other, I leave some people out of the initiative roll. I might not have made that super clear, so feel free to ask questions.

    Also, if you don't post for a few rounds, I might have your character take some basic actions like attacking the closest enemy. Let me know if anyone isn't comfortable with that and I just won't do that for you.

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    Healing myself isn't the most pro-active thing to do here, but for all we know the damage is persistent and if so, Avita wants to get a head start.

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    Just for clarity - the blob is now half way up/down the stairs, correct? So if we move to engage in melee, we will be moving down the stairs to do so? Would that entitle us to a bonus to attack for being on higher ground? And is there room on the stairs to set up a flanking situation without provoking an AoO from the beastie?

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    Ok, what Maneuvers do i have?

    1. Crusader's Strike
    2. Stone Bones
    3. Mountain Hammer
    4. Battle Leader's Charge
    5. Moment of perfect mind

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    Bungled the damage roll
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    That will be a modest 150 XP for everyone.

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    You guys do obscene damage - either one could one-shot poor Rakash.

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    Avita's studded leathers just keep getting more munted.

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    I do hope these exchanges are fun for the others to read - because otherwise, frankly we're taking up way too much space for the actual weight we're pulling =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaptin Keen View Post
    You guys do obscene damage - either one could one-shot poor Rakash.
    I don't know that I would characterize Sarrazin's damage as "obscene". If all the moving parts work together, he can do a reasonable amount by himself, but he has nothing to compare with ToB maneuvers. In other words, most of the damage here was very much down to Fion.

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    Speaking of damage - prose descriptions aside, is it possible for Sarrazin to determine whether his magic crystal appeared to aid in harming the creature here?

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    Battle leader's charge is downright horrifying at this level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rax View Post
    I don't know that I would characterize Sarrazin's damage as "obscene".
    Compare it to Rakash's damage of 1d4+2d6+1. Rakash has mobility up the rear, but you guys bring the damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaptin Keen View Post
    Compare it to Rakash's damage of 1d4+2d6+1. Rakash has mobility up the rear, but you guys bring the damage.
    Sarazin is only doing 1d10+3 (average 8.5) and Rakash does the aforementioned 1d4+2d6+1 (average 10.5) but only if he gets sneak attack. In any event, neither of you are built for damage. Sarazin is built to be a passive buffer handing out To Hit and Damage bonuses for us and Rakash is a skill monkey. Fion and Blackaxe are the walking murder machines.
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    Fion and Blackaxe are the walking murder machines.
    Isn't that precisely what I said?? oO

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    Isn't that precisely what I said?? oO
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    Sarrazin is our Marshall, Sarim is the Dworc
    I believe I didn't name anyone. I said 'you guys'. And noted that both those who did damage could have one-shot Rakash. Which they could have.

    Irrelevant. It's not a competition. Rakash is more annoyance than threat, by design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaptin Keen View Post
    I believe I didn't name anyone. I said 'you guys'. And noted that both those who did damage could have one-shot Rakash. Which they could have.

    Irrelevant. It's not a competition. Rakash is more annoyance than threat, by design.
    Exactly two people hit the creature and did damage - Sarrazin and Fion. Under the circumstances, the obvious interpretation was that "you guys" referred to those characters. Also Rakash has 36(!) hit points according to your character sheet - even Fion isn't easily taking him out in one hit by any stretch of the imagination.

    As for Rakash being an annoyance - an average of 10-11 damage when sneak attacking at lvl 4 is perfectly respectable (and if you sneak attack by flanking, Sarrazin can give you another +3 damage). D&D has never required any character to be able to one-shot a level appropriate challenge - dealing with them is a team effort.

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    Rakash's hit points are certainly too high. In fact, they're too high even if one assumed you rolled max at every level.

    The stats are still wonky as well. I make Rakash as being 32 points at level 1, allowing for racials and the 4th level stat increase. This is only a 30-point game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rax View Post
    Exactly two people hit the creature and did damage - Sarrazin and Fion. Under the circumstances, the obvious interpretation was that "you guys" referred to those characters. Also Rakash has 36(!) hit points according to your character sheet - even Fion isn't easily taking him out in one hit by any stretch of the imagination.

    As for Rakash being an annoyance - an average of 10-11 damage when sneak attacking at lvl 4 is perfectly respectable (and if you sneak attack by flanking, Sarrazin can give you another +3 damage). D&D has never required any character to be able to one-shot a level appropriate challenge - dealing with them is a team effort.
    Just let it go.

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    Rakash's hit points are certainly too high. In fact, they're too high even if one assumed you rolled max at every level.

    The stats are still wonky as well. I make Rakash as being 32 points at level 1, allowing for racials and the 4th level stat increase. This is only a 30-point game.
    I corrected him to 30 points in the Mythweaver calculator. So that's odd. The HP are off, clearly. HP levels 2-4(3d6+6)[11].

    WOW that's bad. Jeesus.

    Ok, I know what's wrong with the stats. I picked the numbers in the wrong column. Hrm. That's embarassing. But now he should be correct. Unless something else is off.
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    I do hope these exchanges are fun for the others to read - because otherwise, frankly we're taking up way too much space for the actual weight we're pulling =)
    For what it's worth, I'm enjoying them very much.
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    Speaking of damage - prose descriptions aside, is it possible for Sarrazin to determine whether his magic crystal appeared to aid in harming the creature here?
    It did help.

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    I invested effort in locking the rear door, but the bug-guy is going to come crashing through that window any minute now, right?
    Nah, we'll come with about half-a-dozen of his mates if he's doing anything.

    No, Detect Magic has 1 min/level duration, so I presume I can put away my wand and keep scanning about.

    Also, if Rakash picks up anything magical...

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    Also, if Rakash picks up anything magical...
    Whaddaya mean, if?

    Ok, let me just say: Rakash isn't trying to grab the lions share of the loot. But anything the others seem willing to ignore, he will grab, anything valuable not actually bolted down. Rakash has excentric and rather expensive plans. For one thing, he intends to find and buy a ruined tower, and fill it with traps, so it can act as his secret lair. This, of course, is only the intermediate plan.

    But Rakash is, essentially, only nicking what the others seem disinterested in. He's not disloyal to the group, just politely disinterested in the letter or intent of the law. Also not actually polite.

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    I mean if Rakash picks up the shiny magic stuff Avita's going to see the aura on him.

    Not to mention that though we can't see the the Sleight of Hand we CAN see you buzzing around the room and looking into things.

    We're not looting here. We're searching for clues in a treason case. Can you spell "tampering with evidence in a capital investigation?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlowe View Post
    I mean if Rakash picks up the shiny magic stuff Avita's going to see the aura on him.

    Not to mention that though we can't see the the Sleight of Hand we CAN see you buzzing around the room and looking into things.

    We're not looting here. We're searching for clues in a treason case. Can you spell "tampering with evidence in a capital investigation?"
    I'm sure within reason neither the spoons nor the liquor are interesting as evidence. I don't want to be overly confrontational here, but I'm playing a thief, and I intend to keep playing a thief. He will grab anything valuable that isn't bolted down.

    Now, if that is an insurmountable problem - I'll just leave. No hard feelings or anything. But that's not what I want, I'm having fun, I find moral disagreements hilarious.

    However, I'm not changing my character. You want me off the team - say the word.

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    Ya, the Sleight of Hand just stops Fion from seeing you pick the thing up, that doesnt stop him from noticing you rooting around and knowing that you mentioned taking stuff. He's probably gonna frisk you before we leave.
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    Why would he do that? He can simply ask. Rakash is an honest thief.

    If you're unwilling to make room for differences of opinion, I bid you farewell =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaptin Keen View Post
    Why would he do that? He can simply ask. Rakash is an honest thief.

    If you're unwilling to make room for differences of opinion, I bid you farewell =)
    Well...he's a thief and Fion works for a very lawful deity. And i have no problem with you doing this, its just that Fion is LG and straight as an iron rod. Just like you need to play your character i need to play mine.

    On another note, i do find these interactions funny.
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    Either we find a compromise, or I walk away. Maybe Fion realises the value of a very capable scout? Maybe he doesn't really care what happens to the trinkets of a dead mand and a traitor? Maybe he's genuinely fooled by Rakash's attempts to steal stuff undetected.

    This is instrumental to my character. His plan is to get rich, build a secret lair (in a ruined tower filled with traps), marry a gnome, and raise a litter of gnoblins - either way - and become a respectable member of society.

    My suggestion is we work ... parallel. Lawfulness is as offensive to Rakash as chaoticism is to Fion. So we simply deny any responsibility or association with the motives and actions of the other, and leave it at that.

    On the bright side, Rakash doesn't betray his friends, doesn't murder anyone unless it absolutely can't be avoided, and isn't evil in any way. Just very highly motivated by things other than the law.

    But as I said: If we can't make it work, we can't make it work. That's ok, if regrettable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaptin Keen View Post
    Either we find a compromise, or I walk away. Maybe Fion realises the value of a very capable scout? Maybe he doesn't really care what happens to the trinkets of a dead mand and a traitor? Maybe he's genuinely fooled by Rakash's attempts to steal stuff undetected.

    This is instrumental to my character. His plan is to get rich, build a secret lair (in a ruined tower filled with traps), marry a gnome, and raise a litter of gnoblins - either way - and become a respectable member of society.

    My suggestion is we work ... parallel. Lawfulness is as offensive to Rakash as chaoticism is to Fion. So we simply deny any responsibility or association with the motives and actions of the other, and leave it at that.

    On the bright side, Rakash doesn't betray his friends, doesn't murder anyone unless it absolutely can't be avoided, and isn't evil in any way. Just very highly motivated by things other than the law.

    But as I said: If we can't make it work, we can't make it work. That's ok, if regrettable.
    To be honest, the compromise you seem to be offering is that everyone else should adapt their characters to work with yours or you'll walk. That's less of a compromise than an ultimatum, even if it's a good natured one.

    How about you agree to take Rakash's thieving off-screen, i.e. you only do it when no one in the party is present? Even better would be if you have Rakash restrain himself when his thieving could be problematic for the party as a whole. For instance, in the current situation, any thieving could become problematic whether or not the city has anything like laws against tampering with evidence. There are multiple factions making power plays, each with an interest in bringing their opponents into disrepute. We're acting as officers of the City Guard, which already has credibility issues. If Rakash absconds with items from Parker's house with the intent of selling them for cash, he will potentially be laying a trail of stolen goods for the other power players to use to discredit us (personally) and the Guard (by association). From both an OOC and IC perspective, that's an unnecessary and unwanted risk for me.

    What would I consider to be acceptable targets for gratuitous theft, IC and OOC?
    1. Looting the corpses of fallen enemies is perfectly okay.
    2. Looting the lairs of anyone clearly identified as an enemy of the city is okay. At present, that would be just the demons invading the city.
    3. Recovering items from inside Black Shingle that are incidental to any specific items we may be sent to retrieve is also fine. It's a war zone, and mercenaries can be expected to loot.
    4. Stealing from ordinary citizens in a way that can't be traced back to the party or the Guard is fine, but I'd very much appreciate it if that could be handled off-screen. It's of no interest to me personally to read about, and I'd prefer it if the game could stay focused on the main events.

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