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    Default Why am I getting the wrong answer? Calculus, trig substitution.

    My problem is Int(sqrt(16-x2)/x)

    so u=x, a=4, and x=4sinθ

    dx=4cosθdθ and sqrt(16-x2)=4cosθ

    So what I get is int(cotθdθ)= ln(abs(sinθ))+C or ln(abs(x/4))+C

    But this is apparently not the correct answer. Somehow the correct answer is 4ln(abs(4-sqrt(16-x2)))/x + sqrt(16-x2) + C

    And yes, my instructions specifically ask me use the substitution x=4sinθ
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    Default Re: Why am I getting the wrong answer? Calculus, trig substitution.

    What are you integrating with respect too in the first part?
    (though in all honesty I can't think how to integrate that simply, and I'm too tired to try.)
    Though I think we using the sin^2+cos^2=1 back (or possibly not using that in the first place) gets two separate single terms.

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    Default Re: Why am I getting the wrong answer? Calculus, trig substitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeySage View Post
    My problem is Int(sqrt(16-x2)/x)

    so u=x, a=4, and x=4sinθ

    dx=4cosθdθ and sqrt(16-x2)=4cosθ

    So what I get is int(cotθdθ)= ln(abs(sinθ))+C or ln(abs(x/4))+C

    But this is apparently not the correct answer. Somehow the correct answer is 4ln(abs(4-sqrt(16-x2)))/x + sqrt(16-x2) + C

    And yes, my instructions specifically ask me use the substitution x=4sinθ
    After substitution, shouldn't you be getting int 4cot(θ)cos(θ)? I think you forgot to include the factor of 4cos(θ) that comes from subtituting x = 4sin(θ) into dx.
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    Default Re: Why am I getting the wrong answer? Calculus, trig substitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by crayzz View Post
    After substitution, shouldn't you be getting int 4cot(θ)cos(θ)? I think you forgot to include the factor of 4cos(θ) that comes from subtituting x = 4sin(θ) into dx.
    That was my guess too, though not very well explained (I didn't want to help too much too quickly).
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    Then by [using an identity you used before*] you are then left to integrate a sum of two trig terms (one I'd have to look up and one that is easy).

    *It does need doing twice.
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    Default Re: Why am I getting the wrong answer? Calculus, trig substitution.

    So, before I make a lengthy try to type formulas into thread messages... does the problem still exist or has it been answered? Because I'd rather not have to do that if it's not needed.
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