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2018-04-07, 09:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2018-04-07, 09:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
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2018-04-07, 09:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
Problem is, if she had committed a crime, she could be jailed for it. And we'd not be having this conversation. And if she didn't commit a crime, then marrying her off at crossbow point is an absolutely evil and unforgivable act that rightly resulted in the clan losing all it had.
Sure. And they can take it up with the hostage-taker. And maybe with his entire family. Tree of evil, y'know.
Well, if the clans had their arms twisted - doubtful, but let's go with it - they can take it up with whoever did the arm twisting. Selling the man's body and those of his loved ones to golem makers should restore their fortune and balance in the world.
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2018-04-07, 09:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2018-04-07, 09:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
I can think of a lot of circumstances in which it's justified to kill someone. (There are a lot in the comic.)
None where it's justified to kill a family down to the children. (That happens once in the comic.)
And none where it's justified to force someone into a marriage they don't want. (That is attempted once onstage, once in a flashback, and several other times in the comic--by Tarquin--in addition to the example with Hilgya, of course.)Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2018-04-07, 09:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
Perhaps she did something that caused her family to become heavily indebted to Ivan's but Ivan's family agreed to forgive the debt if one of Hilgya's family's daughter's would be married off to one of the sons of Ivan's family and Hilgya was cosen because it was her debt?
It's just as plausible based on our knowledge(Literally nothing) on her family's reasoning for marrying her off as them doing it for poops and giggles.I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2018-04-07, 10:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2018-04-07, 10:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
After being forcibly married doesn't count, now, does it?
Still unlikely. The likeliest scenario was a money-for-social-standing exchange, as people pointed out.
Well, they can't do that. It's wrong. And we know it's wrong because the universe rewarded it by making them penniless.
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2018-04-07, 10:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
The clan was wrong to do what it did. Nobody's arguing it wasn't. But suggesting the act was totally spontaneous ("hey, you know that Hylgia chick? Yeah, screw her!") is a pretty outlandish claim; it's not unlikely she did something detrimental to them, whether she was justified in doing so or not (this all being before the arranged marriage thing, see). And even afterwards, if they turned around, massed up a sum of gold somehow and hired someone to assassinate Hylgia afterward, by the logic you presented, it'd be A-Okay for them to do so, since Hylgia put them into destitution and ruined several lives in doing so.
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2018-04-07, 10:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2018-04-07, 10:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2018-04-07, 10:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-07, 10:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
Right now I'm using chicken with five-spices and sweet paprika plus rice with some pickled veggies.
What I'm saying is:
1- No crime would warrant forced marriage.
2- What she did with Ivan she did under duress.
Well, she already took it up with the clans. But she can take it up with said hostage taker, yes.
Fair enough.
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2018-04-07, 10:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
Again, you believe in individual rights for Hilgya but collective responsibility for everyone else.
And again, your definition of "oppression" and "oppressor" is so broad and vague that you are essentially Calvin in this strip.
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2018-04-07, 10:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2018-04-07, 10:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-07, 10:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
That... sounds pretty good, actually.
What I'm saying is:
1- No crime would warrant forced marriage.
2- What she did with Ivan she did under duress.
Besides, typically when people justify something as being done "under duress", they mean that there isn't time to consider the action at hand (such as in self-defense in a physical altercation) or that there was not a better option available in the long term (there was: just pack up and leave). This doesn't fit in any regard.
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2018-04-07, 10:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
Do the clans get to take it up with Hilgya? Because in this hypothetical the chain of evil is now Hostage Taker->Clans->Hilgya->Clan
If Hilgya can take revenge on her clan and ignore the guy that put them under duress and not be in the wrong because she was under duress, then surely the clans can do something to Hilgya now (now under duress from Hilgya) and that has the bonus of not even adding another person to the chain! It just repeats on and on forever, the cycle of revenge will never be broken until someone who doesn't want to pay it forward or is unable to is the victim.Last edited by RatElemental; 2018-04-07 at 10:14 PM.
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2018-04-07, 10:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2018-04-07, 10:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-07, 10:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-07, 10:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-07, 10:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-07, 10:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
Well it's nice to see your moral system has a way for the blameless harm to eventually end. I still take issue with the idea that Hilgya taking revenge on someone other than those who wronged her would have been not her fault, and the idea that disproportionate revenge isn't a thing apparently, but other than that at least it finally makes sense.
You just think revenge is a moral right. Am I correct?
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2018-04-07, 10:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
But now Hylgia's hurt them, too, so there's no reason why they can't harm her under the worldview you've espoused; meanwhile, this hypothetical hostage-taker is now more likely to get off scot-free (or gods forbid, perform an encore act) because Hylgia and the clan are now going to be feuding. The worldview you're suggesting here allows for a lot more harm than it does justice.
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2018-04-07, 10:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
Yep.
Well, in this case, said revenge helped her get out of that situation in the first place.
And yes, if Ivan ever realizes she tried to poison him, he has the right to wreak revenge on her. Then again, he didn't really seem to mind the sandwiches.
Well, they've already harmed her and, if they ever find out about her plan, they now know how that turns out. So how likely would they be to try it again?
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2018-04-07, 10:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
Well, I disagree entirely, fundamentally, with the system you've put forward, but at least we've finally hammered out some consistency.
I guess it's time to agree to disagree. The only alternative I can see is to keep shouting at each other that the other's system is flawed ad infinitum.Last edited by RatElemental; 2018-04-07 at 10:33 PM.
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2018-04-07, 10:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-07, 10:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
Pretty damn likely, actually, since she's just shown she's a huge threat to their well-being. What they're not likely to do is show mercy and leave open the possibility that she'll take revenge again. (Let's not forget that this is Hylgia's family; she had to get the kill-happy attitude from somewhere...)
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2018-04-07, 10:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Hilgya Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral? (Or Lawful Good?)
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”