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2018-04-11, 06:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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What breaks if a PC is an aberration instead of a humanoid?
For a project I'm working on, I'm considering a feature that reads something like "Starting at level X, you count as an aberration instead of a humanoid" (along with some other, not relevant, features).
What does this change?
* Hold X spells require higher level variants (Hold Monster instead of Hold Person)
* Dominate X spells require higher level variants
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2018-04-11, 07:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What breaks if a PC is an aberration instead of a humanoid?
Can't get married any more
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2018-04-11, 07:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-11, 07:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What breaks if a PC is an aberration instead of a humanoid?
Dawn of Hope: a 5e setting. http://wiki.admiralbenbo.org
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2018-04-11, 07:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What breaks if a PC is an aberration instead of a humanoid?
Just running down through some wizard spells:
Charm Person can't affect you
You can be affected by Protection from Good and Evil
Crown of Madness can't affect you
Magic Jar can't affect you
etc.
Just a few spells out of the grand total, but they might mess up something here or there.
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2018-04-11, 08:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What breaks if a PC is an aberration instead of a humanoid?
That gives me a good idea--working through the SRD, searching for "humanoid" in spells:
* Calm Emotions
* Charm Person
* Create Food and Water (you're neither a humanoid or a steed...a bit of an edge case, to be sure)
* Animate Dead/Create Undead (your corpse can't be used for these spells under at least one reading)
* Dominate Person (as noted)
* Finger of Death (can't turn you into a zombie)
* Hold Person (as noted)
* Magic Jar (as you noted)
* Reincarnate (ouch, but the other raise dead-type spells work)
* Simulacrum (beasts or humanoids only)
Looking for "aberration":
* Detect Evil and Good pings on you
* Protection from Evil and Good works against you
* Cloaker's Moan can't fear you
That seems to be everything from the SRD.Dawn of Hope: a 5e setting. http://wiki.admiralbenbo.org
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2018-04-11, 08:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-12, 08:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What breaks if a PC is an aberration instead of a humanoid?
You can't be turned into a zombie or skeleton through Animate Dead.
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2018-04-12, 10:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What breaks if a PC is an aberration instead of a humanoid?
Some rangers may have a harder time knowing information about you, while others may have an easier time... at very high levels this will effect combat bonuses as well
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2018-04-12, 10:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What breaks if a PC is an aberration instead of a humanoid?
Dawn of Hope: a 5e setting. http://wiki.admiralbenbo.org
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2018-04-12, 10:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-12, 11:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What breaks if a PC is an aberration instead of a humanoid?
I suppose they'd be immune to a vampire's charm... I wonder just how many monster abilities HAVE humanoid targeting restrictions? I wouldn't imagine it's actually very many of them.
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2018-04-12, 12:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What breaks if a PC is an aberration instead of a humanoid?
So, basically, a bunch of niche cases. Would be fine as a special feature, methinks. Most of the problems you got in 3.5 with weird-typed PCs had to do with intended-for-monsters rules that no longer exist.
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2018-04-12, 12:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What breaks if a PC is an aberration instead of a humanoid?
If it helps in your weighing the impact, a 3rd level Wizard can get these same benefits using Nystul's Magic Aura ("You choose a creature type and other spells and magical effects treat the target as if it were a creature of that type"), so I don't think it'll be too broken.
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2018-04-12, 01:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What breaks if a PC is an aberration instead of a humanoid?
Good. That's what I thought, but I wanted to be sure. It's almost an entirely ribbon feature--the meat of that one is immunity to poison and unwilling shapeshifting (so offensive polymorph). Truth be told, I was only wary because I've read lots of people trying to get other creature types in 3.5 and having strange interactions.
Good to know. Yeah, I'm not worried about it at this point.
Thanks everyone!Dawn of Hope: a 5e setting. http://wiki.admiralbenbo.org
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2018-04-12, 01:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What breaks if a PC is an aberration instead of a humanoid?
It's written kind of poorly in the second half, but the beginning of that section suggests that it's only supposed to have this effect on "detection" type spells and effects. I guess you could argue the fact that it doesn't repeat this specification could mean it's not actually relevant?
edit: it's also a 2nd level spell, though that doesn't really matter muchLast edited by OvisCaedo; 2018-04-12 at 01:15 PM.
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2018-04-12, 01:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-12, 01:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What breaks if a PC is an aberration instead of a humanoid?
Not profiting from Marriage and not being able to getting married are two completelly different things. Ask the average 50 Year old person, and they might as well consider themselves Aberations by this standard :P
On the other hand, this gives a very diferent perspective on Goldigers and Gigolos respectively. Those humanoids are hardcore optimisers :P
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2018-04-12, 01:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-12, 02:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What breaks if a PC is an aberration instead of a humanoid?
Dawn of Hope: a 5e setting. http://wiki.admiralbenbo.org
Rogue Equivalent Damage calculator, now prettier and more configurable!
5e Monster Data Sheet--vital statistics for all 693 MM, Volo's, and now MToF monsters: Updated!
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2018-04-12, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What breaks if a PC is an aberration instead of a humanoid?
"As a beholder ages, it spends more and more time worrying about its mortality. The dreams of such a death-fearing beholder might reach into strange corners of reality and imagine circumstances in which the creature can live on after death."
-Volo's Guide to Monsters
Granted, that's Death Tyrant, not zombie, but the process may be similar. Otherwise, see PhoenixPhyre.
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2018-04-12, 05:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What breaks if a PC is an aberration instead of a humanoid?
Dawn of Hope: a 5e setting. http://wiki.admiralbenbo.org
Rogue Equivalent Damage calculator, now prettier and more configurable!
5e Monster Data Sheet--vital statistics for all 693 MM, Volo's, and now MToF monsters: Updated!
NIH system 5e fork, very much WIP. Base github repo.
NIH System PDF Up to date main-branch build version.