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    Sorry to be that guy but how do you roll on the board and show the individual dice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladorak View Post
    Sorry to be that guy but how do you roll on the board and show the individual dice?
    Same as normal except you use rollv instead of roll.

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    @TC: Would you include your characterís skill specialties either on your character sheet, or in your first OOC post with your character information. You have which skills have a specialty, but I donít see what the specialties are.

    @Madmal: It should be one success. Unfortunately, the wolf senses bonus for Perception is only given in Urhan and Urshal forms (wolf and dire wolf). As far as I can tell, Imago is still in human form. If you want to change into one of those two, you could and re-roll, but remember there are other pluses and minuses to this.Because of this, it drops your roll to six and you lose that last dice that became a 9. That said...

    @All: I am assuming all characters are currently in Hishu (human) form. If you wish to change form, please be explicit in this.
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    @TC: Would you include your characterís skill specialties either on your character sheet, or in your first OOC post with your character information. You have which skills have a specialty, but I donít see what the specialties are.

    @Madmal: It should be one success. Unfortunately, the wolf senses bonus for Perception is only given in Urhan and Urshal forms (wolf and dire wolf). As far as I can tell, Imago is still in human form. If you want to change into one of those two, you could and re-roll, but remember there are other pluses and minuses to this.Because of this, it drops your roll to six and you lose that last dice that became a 9. That said...

    @All: I am assuming all characters are currently in Hishu (human) form. If you wish to change form, please be explicit in this.
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    @Madmal: It should be one success. Unfortunately, the wolf senses bonus for Perception is only given in Urhan and Urshal forms (wolf and dire wolf). As far as I can tell, Imago is still in human form. If you want to change into one of those two, you could and re-roll, but remember there are other pluses and minuses to this.Because of this, it drops your roll to six and you lose that last dice that became a 9. That said...
    Wolf senses can be activated in human form based on what I read. They just aren't on by default. I'll check on the details as soon as I can get to the book if someone hasn't beaten me by then.

    And yes, Bear is in human form as well. Also he would be glaring at anyone who was baring the wolf out in full view of the neighbors.
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    All senses can be used in any form with a conscious thought that doesn't require any rolls.

    "Uratha have three sets of senses; they have those of a human, those of a wolf, and those of a spirit. Bound together, these three make for an ideal hunter. A werewolf has all her senses in all of her forms. Even when walking in a humanís skin, she can tap into the senses of wolf and spirit."
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    "Human senses are considered the werewolfís default senses in Hishu and Dalu form. If she wishes to activate her other senses, she must consciously choose to, though this is a reflexive action that doesnít require a roll."
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    As I understand it, you suffer from both the benefits and the drawbacks if you're actively using a different sense. For example, if you're channeling your Wolf Senses, you see less color but your sense of smell in vastly improved.

    But I think you go by the modifiers on page 96-97. For example, in Hishu, using Wolf Senses only gives you a +1 to Perception tests while using Wolf Senses in Dalu gives you +2.

    EDIT: Ultimately, it's Storyteller fiat though. Heh
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    Sheet updated: hacking, spirits, and drums

    Assume my character is in human form unless otherwise stated by me.
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    Sorry, forget to roll the dice IC

    Wits (3) + Investigation (3) + Unrestricted access (2)

    Just looking for any recent scents; werewolf, human, rat. Anything recent.

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    @All: Regarding the senses rules and rules regarding Perception and Investigation, I simply must apologize since at the end of the day, I read it wrong . However, I do think there is a problem in the vagueness between the difference of when to use a perception roll vs. when to use a Wits/Int + Investigation roll. I think two (to three) arguments could be made regarding the difference.

    1. Perception rolls are passive, while investigation rolls are active. So if we wanted to see if the player caught the villian sneaking up on them it would be perception, but if you were trying to find where the villian was hiding it would be investigation. In this example Madmal's roll would actually be an investigation roll.
    2. Perception rolls are anything using the 5 senses, while investigation rolls are anything regarding problem solving/logic. In this example, Ladorak's roll in the post above would actually be a perception roll.
    3. Perception roll is only when there is no logical skill to include. Wits + skill would be used if the the searching task could be modified by a skill. For example, Solomon wants to look for evidence of recent animal activity, he rolls Int +Animal Ken or Wits + Survival. This third interpretation may be correct, but is still the most vague I think.


    Now the rules are very vague regarding this (but if anyone wants to find me a quote that clearly deliniates the difference, please do), and based on the fact that the wolf senses apply primarily to perception rolls, I think WtF leans towards the second interpretation.

    So, thoughts???
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    That's a good question. I don't know if I'm right but I assumed option 1 (Passive vs active) but option 2 also makes sense
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    So this was my initial interpretation of this rule, and I think that's how it's clearly described in first edition (though don't quote me as I haven't double checked). But in looking at the 2E books, they barely describe what a Perception rule is for. Furthermore, if to gain access to your Wolf Senses in Hishu you have to make an active decision, then you can't really ever get the benefits if Perception is purely a passive roll... right?

    This was my initial mistake when interpreting Madmal's roll.]

    And I'm not trying to create controversy or put down the rules. I simply think it is worth coming to an agreement on, so that it is clear what everyone should be rolling given the importance senses and investigation/perception play in a werewolf game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennosuke View Post
    @All: Regarding the senses rules and rules regarding Perception and Investigation, I simply must apologize since at the end of the day, I read it wrong . However, I do think there is a problem in the vagueness between the difference of when to use a perception roll vs. when to use a Wits/Int + Investigation roll. I think two (to three) arguments could be made regarding the difference.

    1. Perception rolls are passive, while investigation rolls are active. So if we wanted to see if the player caught the villian sneaking up on them it would be perception, but if you were trying to find where the villian was hiding it would be investigation. In this example Madmal's roll would actually be an investigation roll.
    2. Perception rolls are anything using the 5 senses, while investigation rolls are anything regarding problem solving/logic. In this example, Ladorak's roll in the post above would actually be a perception roll.
    3. Perception roll is only when there is no logical skill to include. Wits + skill would be used if the the searching task could be modified by a skill. For example, Solomon wants to look for evidence of recent animal activity, he rolls Int +Animal Ken or Wits + Survival. This third interpretation may be correct, but is still the most vague I think.


    Now the rules are very vague regarding this (but if anyone wants to find me a quote that clearly deliniates the difference, please do), and based on the fact that the wolf senses apply primarily to perception rolls, I think WtF leans towards the second interpretation.

    So, thoughts???
    I'm in agreement with you that I think the second interpretation is what WtF meant. I googled how to roll perception back when I started in your VtR game and the answers I got from a forum was in line with the second one - passive perception versus actively looking for something.

    And no worries on the conundrum. It's good to get these things sorted out and I don't really view it as causing a problem or anything about the rules. Storytellers are only human too, just like players, and the rules can be a bit vague at times.
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    To offer a counterpoint, perception may be a passive roll, but one can still choose to be particularly vigilant during a certain period of time. If we have chosen to activate the wolf senses, that bonus ought to apply to perception rolls made until the character stops using said senses.

    Now, what we shouldn't be able to do is, upon being asked to make a perception roll, spontaneously decide to activate the wolf senses for the bonus.
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    Sorry guys, I've had a rough couple of days and had to also bow out of a couple of games so i can balance this one and two others with my RL obligations.
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    So I learned of something strangely amazing today and while it has no bearing on RP, I felt the need to share it.

    Butter in coffee. Yes, you read that right.

    A tablespoon and a half of clarified butter and a tablespoon and a half of coconut oil. Toss it into a blender with your freshly brewed, piping hot coffee and blend for 30 seconds. The fat emulsifies to the caffeine and when you drink it, it's thick and rich and tasty - AND the caffeine takes longer to be absorbed into your body, hence prolonging the effect of the coffee and your energy across the day.

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    @Tonberry: As always, please take care of RL first.

    @Erulasto: God help us all.

    @All: Not that you have to do it, but I havenít described anything in Spirit Senses, because no one has asked. This sense is more active as it takes an action to perform, though I have made it clear the Hisil is very active here. Obviously, if you want to enter the Hisil, you will have to be at the Locus... unless one of you has a special gift.
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    This was something I was wondering. We can see through the gauntlet as in oWoD? I couldn't find anything in the rulebook about it.

    Assuming we can perception roll:

    Wits+Composure

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    Edit: Just found it on page 94. Casting all my senses
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    Edit: Itís under the senses rule, probably page 94-95. Essentially, without using a gift or Essence, its an instant action, and your current formís sense is the one sent over; so in Human form, it would be primarily sight only (though if you read, its a little more complicated than that). During this time, you get -2 to perceiving things on your side of the Gauntlet.

    And I only count 3 successes. A success is 8 or above in nWoD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennosuke View Post
    Edit: Itís under the senses rule, probably page 94-95. Essentially, without using a gift or Essence, its an instant action, and your current formís sense is the one sent over; so in Human form, it would be primarily sight only (though if you read, its a little more complicated than that). During this time, you get -2 to perceiving things on your side of the Gauntlet.

    And I only count 3 successes. A success is 8 or above in nWoD
    That clarifies things a bunch, thanks.

    I think Kara may want to take an attempt at it as well, since she's now just inside with Bear.

    EDIT: Does 10 again apply in this case as well? I need to double check the book when I get home today. Hmm. My brain has blanked.
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    Donít mind this roll (1d10)[8](8)

    @Erulasto/All: One clarification, you can send only one group of senses; ie wolf or human, but you can send all ď5 sensesĒ tied to human or wolf. Which you send is determined by which form you are in. You donít have to send all 5 senses though. Hope that clarifies.
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    Donít mind this roll [roll0]

    @Erulasto/All: One clarification, you can send only one group of senses; ie wolf or human, but you can send all ď5 sensesĒ tied to human or wolf. Which you send is determined by which form you are in. You donít have to send all 5 senses though. Hope that clarifies.
    So in this case, Kara would be able to send all of her human senses...but not her wolf senses.....since she's in human form, but it'd still mean she could see/hear/smell as well as a human could. Or you can just send smell, or taste. I dunno why you'd want to taste something in the Shadow. That could just end....badly.
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    Quite right, I just picked out the two 8s instead of looking at the first two rolls, my bad, bit of a brainfart. I dont think there's any difference between 3 and 4 successes tho so it doesn't matter.

    I think the -2 only applies if you split your senses between two worlds

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    @Erulasto: Yes, that is correct. I updated my IC post to include my response.

    @Ladorak: That is mostly correct regarding the degrees of success. I just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page regarding rules.

    @All: So I have designed a number of potential spirit nemesis and totems. My opinion about spirits is that Spirits are essentially motivated solely by self interest, and therefore, there is no right Totem, and all totems will offer benefits, but also challenges to the group. I rolled to determine which of the spirits would appear at this Locus, so donít think I am trying to force anything on the group.

    Also, I have the week off, and am not going anywhere, so I should be able to post a lot more this week. Cheers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladorak View Post
    Quite right, I just picked out the two 8s instead of looking at the first two rolls, my bad, bit of a brainfart. I dont think there's any difference between 3 and 4 successes tho so it doesn't matter.

    I think the -2 only applies if you split your senses between two worlds

    Edit: What's a Bisugin Lagaha ?
    Beach Carrion Thieves (Bisugin Lagah) are
    the spirits of gulls, opportunistic hunters who consume smaller spirits along the Shadowed coastline. Because of the proclivity of their physical counterparts to eat anything, these bird spirits can safely consume a wide variety of Essence without becoming magath, meaning they can force other spirits out of their hunting grounds through strength of numbers.

    EDIT: This is copied and pasted directly out of the core rule book. That's all I know.
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    @Benno: That....is an epic post!
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    Why thank you.
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    Heh, didn't say I was going Dalu there.

    Of course, the first draft of my post did include a transformation sequence to Dalu, but I edited it out in case there was some human squatter in here to see it. So maybe the DM was reading my mind.

    Since there apparently weren't any mortal witnesses after all, I'm more than fine with the scene as is.
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    My apologies. I completely misread your post. I read that you were going into Dalu. If you want to retcon I am okay with it.
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    Would looking into the ocean could as a reflective surface for the purposes of Reaching?

    It's a bit of a stretch, but....thought I'd ask. Hehe
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