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    Default Villainous Competition XXVI Swallow Whole!

    Welcome to Round 26 of the Villainous Competition!

    Previous Competitions
    Round One: Leader of Armies
    Round Two: Nature's Revenger
    Round Three: Double Agent
    Round Four: Grave Keeper
    Round Five: Crime Lord
    Round Six: Ultimate Predator
    Round Seven: Wicked Witch
    Round Eight: Master of the Tundra
    Round Nine: The Power of Villainous Thinking
    Round Ten: Henchman Are Villains Too
    Round Eleven: The Higher They Rise The Harder They Fall
    Round Twelve: Power Comes at a Price
    Round Thirteen: The Gadgeteer - You Are Not Batman
    Round Fourteen: The Thing That Should Not Be
    Round Fifteen: The Horsemen Are Drawing Nearer
    Round Sixteen: Burn Baby Burn
    Round Seventeen: It's Alive!
    Round Eighteen: This is Heresy
    Round Nineteen: He Slimed Me!
    Round Twenty: Elder Evil
    Round Twenty-One: Yarr!
    Round Twenty-Two: I Am The Night!
    Round Twenty-Three: Two Heads Are Better Than One!
    Round Twenty-Four: Wrong For The Right Reasons!
    Round Twenty-Five: Keeper of the Gate

    We're a little different than most of the optimization threads. We run on CR instead of ECL.

    Contestants:
    You will need to present a write-up of your build with at least one of the following points: 5 CR, 10 CR 15 CR, 20 CR, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20 CR build in the table below. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:

    Secret Laboratory:
    Competitors will be free to use any official 1st party (WotC) 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon Compendium is allowed, but Dragon magazine is disallowed. Unearthed Arcana is allowed. Unupdated 3.0 materials, as well as web exclusives by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt or Generic Classes are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Item Familiars and Taint are also banned from the competition. Leadership and all similar abilities are banned for sanity reasons.
    Builds that are fully monstrous are allowed at no penalty. All class levels are to be added on as associated class levels.

    Elite array (15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8) is the assumed ability score generation method.
    Some monstrous characters can technically qualify for Epic feats as soon as their ECL is over 20. While regular Epic feats will be allowed, Epic Spellcasting and all other Epic feats that affect spells, psionic powers, or item creation are not permitted. Including these would give an unfair advantage over standard characters. For Incarnum characters, Epic Open Chakra feats are allowed; other Epic Incarnum feats are not. The Essentia Capacity increases for Epic capacity as described on p. 212. For all characters, please note that Racial Hit Dice do not count towards Epic Progression; use the regular progression even if the BAB ends up higher than 20.

    Deadlines:
    Contestants will have until 1800 MST Tuesdy May 8th to create their builds and PM them to the Supreme Chancellor. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until 1800 MST Tuesday May 22nd to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted. Deadlines are subject to extension as/if required.

    Judging:
    Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated on a scale from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Build Elegance, Competence and Power, Memorable Villainy.
    Keep these questions in mind when judging each category:
    Originality - Is it unexpected?
    Build Elegance - Is it mechanically pretty?
    Competence and Power - Can it do what the concept asks of it? Is this a powerfully-built character?
    Memorable Villainy - Is this a villain with style? Will it be the BBEG players long to finally kill and then talk about for weeks?
    Unearthed Arcana can be penalized for elegance if the specific feature seems unnecessary or makes the playing field unfair (In this case, you can give a 1 if it makes the field unfair.)
    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. As the Iron Chef competition states, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
    You may not judge if you entered the contest, unless you withdraw your submission.

    Presentation:
    Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!

    Note:
    There is now a hard limit on two (2) entries per competitor.

    Using the table below, the easiest way to use it is to go to the top left of the private message, and click the little a/A icon. It allows you to see what you're writing.
    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
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    CR Class Base Attack Bonus Fort Save Ref Save Will Save Skills Feats Class Features
    1 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    2 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    3 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    4 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    5 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    6 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    7 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    8 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    9 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    10 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    11 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    12 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    13 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    14 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    15 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    16 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    17 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    18 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    19 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    20 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
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    [tr]
    [th][B]CR[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Class[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Base Attack Bonus[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Fort Save[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Ref Save[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Will Save[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Skills[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Feats[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Class Features[/B][/th]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]1[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]2[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]3[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]4[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]5[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]6[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]7[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]8[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]9[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]10[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]11[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]12[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]13[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]14[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]15[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]16[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]17[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]18[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]19[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]20[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [/table]

    You can use the table below for Spells.
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    Spells per Day/Spells Known
    Spells per Day/Spells Known
    Level 0lvl 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th
    1st - - - - - - - - - -
    2nd - - - - - - - - - -
    3rd - - - - - - - - - -
    4th - - - - - - - - - -
    5th - - - - - - - - - -
    6th - - - - - - - - - -
    7th - - - - - - - - - -
    8th - - - - - - - - - -
    9th - - - - - - - - - -
    10th - - - - - - - - - -
    11th - - - - - - - - - -
    12th - - - - - - - - - -
    13th - - - - - - - - - -
    14th - - - - - - - - - -
    15th - - - - - - - - - -
    16th - - - - - - - - - -
    17th - - - - - - - - - -
    18th - - - - - - - - - -
    19th - - - - - - - - - -
    20th - - - - - - - - - -
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    [B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]
    [B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]
    [table="class:head alt1 alt2"]
    [tr]
    [th][B]Level[/B][/th]
    [th][B]0lvl[/B][/th]
    [th][B]1st[/B][/th]
    [th][B]2nd[/B][/th]
    [th][B]3rd[/B][/th]
    [th][B]4th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]5th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]6th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]7th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]8th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]9th[/B][/th]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]1st[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
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    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]2nd[/td]
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    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]3rd[/td]
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    [td]4th[/td]
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    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]5th[/td]
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    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]6th[/td]
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    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]7th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
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    [/tr]
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    [td]8th[/td]
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    [/tr]
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    [td]9th[/td]
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    [td]10th[/td]
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    [/tr]
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    [td]11th[/td]
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    [td]12th[/td]
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    [td]14th[/td]
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    [td]20th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
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    [/tr]
    [/table]


    Speculation:
    Please don’t post or speculate on possible builds until the reveal, in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.
    Once builds are revealed, please do not comment on errors or rules issues on entries unless you are a judge. If you have such a comment, wait until the final reveal to post it.

    Get ready to share those Evil thoughts. This edition’s villain is:

    Get In MY BELLY!
    (Swallow Whole)
    om nom nom!


    Limitations


    • Cannot use Wild Shape gained from Druid levels to qualify
    • As almost always, must be evil in alignment.


    We will award 1st through 3rd places, and a possible Honorable Mention.
    So, start your evil plotting!

    Build Chef GrayDeath PrismCat21 Total Place
    Keeyusk the Ravenous Falontani 15.5 10.7 26.2 6th
    The Behemoth Hanwalker 12.5 9.5 22 7th
    Gourmandoggo WhamBamSam 14.75 17.5 32.25 5th
    Faras Alnhar Lionheart 14.75 19.2 33.95 SILVER
    TOM Macabaret 13.5 illegal 13.5 10th
    Antharyx 3SecondCultist 12.75 19.7 32.45 4th
    The Virus Jourmengand 16.25 16.8 33.05 BRONZE
    The Nightstalker Falontani 15.25 illegal 15.25 9th
    A'Aron Venger 16.5 17.7 34.2 GOLD
    Clawdius Thurbane 16.25 illegal 16.25 8th (HM​)


    Submission:
    To standardize Entries, please use this format when sending it in:

    PM: Jdizzlean
    Subject: Villainous Competition 26, Name of your Entry
    For Revisions and disputes, do the same thing. It makes it easier for me finding the entries in my mail box.
    More questions? PM me with Villainous Competition 26 Questions in the header.

    Tips for submitting your entry, provided by Weaselguy:



    As always: let's keep it nice.

    I'll mention that again - LET'S KEEP IT NICE! Bickering, name calling and nasty comments on the entries or other forum members are not tolerated.


    New competition rule: if I feel an individual has been overly disruptive during the course of competition discussion, I will not be accepting and revealing any entries from that individual, and they will also not be allowed to judge. Any judging they enter will not be taken into account for the final tally.

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    It's sad that it had to come to this, but here's a list of permanently banned (from this Villainous Competition) members:

    Novolin
    Yklikt
    Last edited by jdizzlean; 2018-05-29 at 08:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nifft View Post
    More sources, more choices, more power. Welcome to D&D.
    If you need me to address a thread as a Moderator, please include a link

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    Nerdomancer in the Playground Moderator
     
    DruidGuy

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    Default Re: Villainous Competition XXVI Swallow Whole!

    Clarifications

    Unearthed Arcana variant rules are limited: The variant character options (such as Wildshape Ranger and Thug Fighter) should not be penalized. Flaws and traits may be penalized by judges, whereas item familiars, gestalt, alternate skill systems, alternate magic systems, alternate crafting rules, generic base classes, LA buyoff, fractional saves/BAB, and bloodlines are banned. Anything not mentioned here is up to individual judges.

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    What does it say about these competitions when the challenge on this one for me isn't "how to use Swallow Whole", but instead is "how to use Swallow Whole differently than the last few times I've used it in these competitions".
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    This is such a broad question that I'm pretty sure it doesn't fall under 'no build discussions', and its answer seems very relevant to other people as well, so I'm going to ask it here:

    Do builds who have an ability that's not explicitly called Swallow Whole, but basically the same in effect (like a Gelatinous Cube's Engulf), count for the purpose of this contest? I assume everything's fine as long as someone gets swallowed, right?
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    I've been hoping for this one for a while. I've got an idea already and will absolutely be trying to get it submitted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inevitability View Post
    This is such a broad question that I'm pretty sure it doesn't fall under 'no build discussions', and its answer seems very relevant to other people as well, so I'm going to ask it here:

    Do builds who have an ability that's not explicitly called Swallow Whole, but basically the same in effect (like a Gelatinous Cube's Engulf), count for the purpose of this contest? I assume everything's fine as long as someone gets swallowed, right?
    I hope so, although i would want swarm/mobs engulf abilities prohibited, cuz that isn't exactly swallowing. regardless of the chair's decision, i would build under that assumption and let the judges do the disqualification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inevitability View Post
    This is such a broad question that I'm pretty sure it doesn't fall under 'no build discussions', and its answer seems very relevant to other people as well, so I'm going to ask it here:

    Do builds who have an ability that's not explicitly called Swallow Whole, but basically the same in effect (like a Gelatinous Cube's Engulf), count for the purpose of this contest? I assume everything's fine as long as someone gets swallowed, right?
    Engulf should be close enough that I don't see any functional difference between that and Swallow Whole. When I originally proposed the idea around Thanksgiving, the thought was to keep it broadly focused on eating things, Gluttony, etc. I think the Barghest/Dusk Giant "Feed" ability might have been part of the original suggestion, but I'm not sure if that's still mechanically in the same neighborhood as Swallow Whole.

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    This is such a broad question that I'm pretty sure it doesn't fall under 'no build discussions', and its answer seems very relevant to other people as well, so I'm going to ask it here:

    Do builds who have an ability that's not explicitly called Swallow Whole, but basically the same in effect (like a Gelatinous Cube's Engulf), count for the purpose of this contest? I assume everything's fine as long as someone gets swallowed, right?
    as long as a thing, ends up inside another thing, and the way it ended up there was through it's mouth, (a cube doesn't really have a mouth, so that would count), I'd say any words/action used that basically mean the same thing as swallowed whole would count.

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    Nice! Down to cook.

    I already had some ideas around this, but may need to adjust them to fit specific round requirements.

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    I'm working on one too. Almost done, really, just working on formatting it appropriately for the contest.
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    as long as a thing, ends up inside another thing, and the way it ended up there was through it's mouth, (a cube doesn't really have a mouth, so that would count), I'd say any words/action used that basically mean the same thing as swallowed whole would count.
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    Is it things where the primary threat is getting eaten alive? Is it "downed in one attack" type of eaten? Or is it just anything that focuses primarily on bite attacks?
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    Is it things where the primary threat is getting eaten alive? Is it "downed in one attack" type of eaten? Or is it just anything that focuses primarily on bite attacks?
    the theme is swallow whole. whatever action you're doing to emulate that in the case of not having that specific ability is ok. Someone asked about cubes, they don't have mouths, but if they "run you over" you end up in their "belly" just the same. It should not be something where you are taking bites or nibbling someone to death. In one attack, or one action you need to "swallow them whole".

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    Hey, glad to see this is back up, I think I'd like to try my hand at brewing again. I have some interesting ideas, and it'll be good DM prep anyways.

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    while we're waiting for the reveal, I am building a list of themes for future rounds. The next round is sure to be a doozy, and I have a few other ideas at the top of my list as well. However, aside from those things suggested at the end of the last round, what are some thoughts of things to see in the future?

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    while we're waiting for the reveal, I am building a list of themes for future rounds. The next round is sure to be a doozy, and I have a few other ideas at the top of my list as well. However, aside from those things suggested at the end of the last round, what are some thoughts of things to see in the future?
    I'd love to see an Evil Party/Quirky Miniboss Squad/Teamwork Villain type round where instead of doing one CR 20 creature we make a number of creatures that comprise a CR20 encounter (and whatever other breakpoints we showcase, natch) all together. It'd be a bit more involved than usual, but I think there's potential for a lot of fun there.

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    My concept has gone through a few changes: I think I'm settled on a final build; now just for the formatting and fluff. Should be able to get it finalized in time.

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    I'd love to see an Evil Party/Quirky Miniboss Squad/Teamwork Villain type round where instead of doing one CR 20 creature we make a number of creatures that comprise a CR20 encounter (and whatever other breakpoints we showcase, natch) all together. It'd be a bit more involved than usual, but I think there's potential for a lot of fun there.
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    A master swordsman villain would be fun

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    Well, the theme does not really inspire me this time, added to job changes that would have prevented a lot of time spent cooking anyway, so I`ll be once again willing to judge. :)
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    Question for the chefs: under Monsters in the SRD, it says that 'any listed skills are class skills'. That's all well and good, but with the elite array if I end up with a higher Intelligence (and therefore more skill ranks), does that mean all other skills are cross-class by default until I get a class level?
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    Question for the chefs: under Monsters in the SRD, it says that 'any listed skills are class skills'. That's all well and good, but with the elite array if I end up with a higher Intelligence (and therefore more skill ranks), does that mean all other skills are cross-class by default until I get a class level?
    That's exactly correct. Anything not listed in the monster entry are purchased as cross class skills.

    There are certain feats that can add class skills, however.

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    That's exactly correct. Anything not listed in the monster entry are purchased as cross class skills.

    There are certain feats that can add class skills, however.

    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?491181
    That's... irritating. I have zero room for feats, so cross-class it is for now.

    Thank you for your quick reply, though!

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    Edit: that leads me to another question. I'm assuming we don't have to buy all of the same skills, just like we don't need to take all of the same feats as the base monster?
    You are correct - you're free to take whatever skills you like, so long as you're prepared to pay the cross class cost where applicable.

    Same with feats, but obviously, anything listed as a bonus feat is locked in, and can't be swapped out for a different feat.

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    You are correct - you're free to take whatever skills you like, so long as you're prepared to pay the cross class cost where applicable.

    Same with feats, but obviously, anything listed as a bonus feat is locked in, and can't be swapped out for a different feat.
    Yeah, got that. Thanks!

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    Is there a tried and true way to calculate the amount of damage that needs be dealt to the inside of a monster's tract to overcome the Swallow Whole ability? It seems to vary wildly based on the type of monster (and in some cases there isn't a damage listed), and I can't seem to find any specific rules on the matter. Thoughts?
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    Yeah, got that. Thanks!

    You don't have to be the person to answer this one, Thurbane, but I have another question. I'm also a bit surprised that nobody has asked this particular question yet.

    Is there a tried and true way to calculate the amount of damage that needs be dealt to the inside of a monster's tract to overcome the Swallow Whole ability? It seems to vary wildly based on the type of monster (and in some cases there isn't a damage listed), and I can't seem to find any specific rules on the matter. Thoughts?
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    I have been tossing ideas around for a little while, but haven't come up with anything that really inspires me. I may just try my hand at judging depending on the chair's response to a question.
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    just over 3 days to go, 1 submission in the box. is everyone going to be able to finish in time, or do we need an extension?

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