Time Paradox WW 2: Let's Do The Time Warp Again!

[AvatarVecna]

I'm puzzled by one thing. The wolves who died lost even if their team won?

I know it's different from normal, but it was partually to make it so that there was no scenario in which both Young Joe and Old Joe win.

[Requilac]

And... yeah, as a town PR maybe don't be completely honest with people you don't have a really good reason to trust? Actually, I'm a little confused about what Extrail actually said to make you trust him.

What lie would I have told him that would have been helpful? I suppose I could have decided to not inform him of your PM, but that's about it. And Extrail didn't necessarily say something that made me trust him, he just sent me the PM first. It was a horrible idea looking back at it, but it seemed like a good idea at the time.

The order of the phases was D3, N1, D1 (your claim), N3 (my scry), D2, N2.
So I scried you right after your claim and then contacted you immediately after getting the scry result.

Oh, I am sorry. I thought D3 corresponded to N3, which was a massive mistake on my part. Sorry about that.

Also Xihirli I don't know if you're reading this, but you may have a new contender for Most Damage Caused by Trusting the Wrong Person.

Well, at least I accomplished something.

[Extrail]

Requilac you trusting me did very little to hurt your side. How do i know this? ramsus was also infiltrating the qt. So, at most the qt would have you 3 in it, and might have caused more harm as ramsus could more easily convince elenna to do things that would help out the wolves. So in fact yes it might have been better that you did trust me in the end. and elenna revealed herself on day 2, where the 4 man group of ramsus, lordargon, gamergur and i could work together. So yes in reality, Ramsus would suggest Elenna to scry me, and I'd scry myself to cause scry interference, and same thing happens all over again. So no it didn't cause a lot of harm that you trusted in me, as the bane of night 3 you did on yourself had no effect, and we had a roleblocker that roleblocked your power night 2 as we didn't want to mess around with you possibly baning yourself.

[Requilac]

Requilac you trusting me did very little to hurt your side. How do i know this? ramsus was also infiltrating the qt. So, at most the qt would have you 3 in it, and might have caused more harm as ramsus could more easily convince elenna to do things that would help out the wolves. So in fact yes it might have been better that you did trust me in the end.

So trusting Ramsus was my big mistake then? I am not surprised.

[Elenna]

So trusting Ramsus was my big mistake then? I am not surprised.

Well, it depends on whether I would have still scried Extrail had I known that Ramsus knew that I was going to scry him... which... yeah, probably I would have, because I don't think the possibility that he would have told the wolves so they could cause interference would have occurred to me. And even if it did, I had no reason to think that Ramsus was in contact with the wolves.

Actually, thinking about it some more, Extrail probably contacted Ramsus because he knew he was not a neutral, so he knew Ramsus was the neutral that Logic was talking about. So I guess I did have a reason to think that. Oh well, hindsight is 20-20.

[Extrail]

Nope pure luck on day 3. You guys were going to lynch me and I lucked into allying with both that day. Well gamergur wanted me to scry him making the network official start of day 1 regardless of who logic scried

I remember that i asked him if he wanted me to defend him since he was an ally of mine.

[Ramsus]

So trusting Ramsus was my big mistake then? I am not surprised.

I object to this assumption. If you hadn't included Extrail in the QT too and had included Elenna or shown you were being more cautious or some such I might have made more of an effort to play both sides. There were many places in the game where I could have been persuaded (by myself mainly) to make the game more chaotic and fun if the opportunities had been readily available.

[rakkoon]

Gamergur, you lucky bastard :-)

[AvatarVecna]

Gamergur, you lucky bastard :-)

I was laughing so hard, and I feel so bad about it. Especially the message you got that morning about who Young Joe had targeted in the night.

"Young Joe targeted rakkoon in the night with his Kill power.

Oh by the way you're dead."

[Requilac]

I object to this assumption. If you hadn't included Extrail in the QT too and had included Elenna or shown you were being more cautious or some such I might have made more of an effort to play both sides. There were many places in the game where I could have been persuaded (by myself mainly) to make the game more chaotic and fun if the opportunities had been readily available.

The reason I almost failed in the last game is because I was too cautious and was unwilling to take any risks. If I had actually decided to trust Extrail, that game would have been ours to win. So when I had the option to put trust in others I was unsure of or not, I decided to not make the same “mistake” (at least from my POV). The fact that it was the exact same person who I refused to communicate with last game also cemented in that fact.

Unfortunately in doing so I made the rooky mistake of shifting to one strategy too extremely. I should have been prudent, when I actually have been either completely unwilling to take risk or taking an unnecessary amount of risks.

[Ramsus]

If you learned that lesson in two games, you're doing better than almost everyone does.

[Requilac]

If you learned that lesson in two games, you're doing better than almost everyone does.

This isn't my second game, it's only my second game on this forum. This is technically the seventh time I played Werewolf. I just haven't learned much because in all those other games I have never survived past Day 2.

The first time I played WW outside of this forum I was a vanillager who was night killed on N1 because the wolves were convinced I was a power role. They knew I wasn't a wolf, and I was talking much less than "an expendable normal villager were", so they falsely believed my silence was because I was actually a power role who didn't want to attract attention to themselves.

The second time I played, a wolf who was about to be lynched on D2 falsely claimed to be a seer and told the group that he scried on me last night and that I was a wolf. This was a lie, I was just a vanillager, but they lynched me anyway.

The third time I played WW outside of this forum, I was a baner who was lynched D1. I role claimed and begged them not too lynch me, but there were convinced I was lying because of my body language and did it anyway.

The fourth time I played WW outside of this forum, I was a devil (wolf seer) who was killed on D2 by a witch. The seer had scried me N1, and then contacted the person he assumed was the witch and requested her to kill me.

If you can't tell, I need to get better at this game.

[Elenna]

Just realized that out of the three people i considered scrying that last night, only one of them wasn't a wolf... and guess who I chose to scry. Not that it would have mattered, but still.

[rakkoon]

Just realized that out of the three people i considered scrying that last night, only one of them wasn't a wolf... and guess who I chose to scry. Not that it would have mattered, but still.

Trust your instincts.
Be one with the wolves and thou shalt know them.