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2018-04-24, 05:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-24, 06:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to harm a vampire that's in gaseous form?
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2018-04-24, 06:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to kill a vampire that's in gaseous form?
While I was wrong on it targetting a creature, it still must be centered on a creature. If using them as stepping stones, to block a hallway, or similar, there needs to be the additional step. A 1st level spell isn't exactly expensive. Additionally, that lets you somewhat bypass your real target's Reflex save (what happens if you're a rogue adjacent to a small creature that gets put into a 15-foot diameter Resilient Sphere?)
Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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2018-04-24, 10:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to harm a vampire that's in gaseous form?
i didn't say it carried the implication. I said that it was not mutually exclusive. If you want to argue against a point, please argue against the point that was made, not one you invented.
If true, what is the word "always" doing here?
Reducing a vampire’s hit points to 0 or lower incapacitates it but doesn’t always destroy it.
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2018-04-24, 10:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-24, 01:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to harm a vampire that's in gaseous form?
You took my sentence out of context and defeated the half argument. That is the classic definition of a strawman. Let me state it exceptionally plainly: they are mutually exclusive. If we are stuck to plain English meanings then those two states do not coexist in the same place and time.
If true, what is the word "always" doing here?
That should be "incapacitates it but doesn't destroy" if your understanding of plain English was correct. As the presence of "always" does strongly imply that it is possible to be both incapacitated and destroyed at the same time.
Everything I have asserted is RAW, in plain English, and renders the ability functional. Your assessment is both shakier and renders the ability dysfunctional. By convention on this forums, at the least, since there is a reasonable and functional reading of the text, that one takes precedence.
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2018-04-24, 02:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to harm a vampire that's in gaseous form?
Actually, your first sentence had absolutely nothing to do with what I said. If you're saying that it wasn't intended as an argument, that would make it a red herring.
You are wrong. But go on.
This doesn't follow at all. (Non sequitur, since we're naming fallacies) Removing the word "always" doesn't make the text dysfunctional. It would be very clear that vampires were incapacitated but not killed by saying exactly that.
Are we not already using precise language? If so, it should say what it says. If we aren't using precise language, then it would be impossible to convert it to precise language, as we must preserve the imprecision. You completely undermine your point here.
At this point I laughed. The "I checked with my expert friend who lives in Canada, you guys wouldn't know him" is invariably used to defend the worst nonsense on the Internet. Have a good day.
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2018-04-24, 11:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to harm a vampire that's in gaseous form?
World of Madius wiki - My personal campaign setting, including my homebrew Optional Gestalt/LA rules.
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2018-04-25, 12:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to harm a vampire that's in gaseous form?
When I ran a Vampire Lord and his brood for an E6 campaign I had him play up being old, paranoid and aware of tropes (from personal experience). The castle they lived in was actually just a giant pile of undead, oozes and traps stuck in various sealed rooms. The vampires lived in coffins inside a sealed room on top of a dummy tower, entrance to which was through pipes sized for diminutive creatures (vampires being able to travel as bats or gas clouds).
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2018-04-25, 12:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-25, 12:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to harm a vampire that's in gaseous form?
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2018-04-25, 01:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to harm a vampire that's in gaseous form?
Isn't that because they suffer extra damage from spells like Sunburst and Sunlight that deal HP damage and are stated in their description to specifically destroy vampires instead of incapacitating them?
But I mean, D&D 3rd edition has used "always" in really weird ways forever. Remember "always evil"? On creatures that are sometimes good and have a good deity that they worship? Or the mention of redeeming evil in Book of Exalted Deeds?
"Always" can be considered to carried with a bunch of asterisks every time it is used.
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2018-04-25, 07:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to harm a vampire that's in gaseous form?
It does that as well. The absolute wording is under the fast healing entry which tells you the only circumstance in which a Vampire is forced into its invulnerable gaseous form.
It's because phrases like "dead or otherwise incapacitated" exist.
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2018-04-25, 08:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to kill a vampire that's in gaseous form?