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2018-05-08, 06:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1120 - The Discussion Thread
The discussion of who is at fault for Kuzdu's conception seems rather beside the point. Hilgya elected to keep him despite all her other options (abortion, infanticide, foundling), and Durkon clearly wants a role in his life.
The real question would seem to be: will he get one? His vampire won't allow him one, and if Durkon is ever freed from his vampire I severely doubt Hilgya will either. Before his death Durkon would probably have accepted that and gone to continue saving the world with a heavy conscience. Will he fight for what he wants now? If so, will he succeed? We shall see.
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2018-05-08, 06:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1120 - The Discussion Thread
Under immediate circumstances, what Durkon does or does not want is rather beside the point. He's on a quest to save the world, he cant in good conscience drag an infant into those kinds of battles even if he does get resurrected. Ideally he stares down Hilgya and leaves the kid in the care of somebody like his mother, or the surviving acolytes of Thor until he has a little more time to actually sit down and figure out what his options are here.
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2018-05-08, 06:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1120 - The Discussion Thread
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2018-05-08, 06:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1120 - The Discussion Thread
Hope I can point this out without getting dragged into the ongoing "responsibility" argument...
Many people seem to be assuming that Hilgya's attitude to contraception was 'careless' or 'reckless' but she's shown a definite aptitude for cynical long-term planning. Is it possible that she wanted Durkon's child?Proclaiming something "objectively" true or false does not excuse you from proving it so.
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2018-05-08, 06:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1120 - The Discussion Thread
If that was the case, it would have made far more sense to just not say anything--not ask Durkon if he had the cantrip prepared.
I think there is 0 chance that Durkon will "stare down" wrest Kudzu away from a still-living, not-attacking-the-Order-first Hilgya.Last edited by Kish; 2018-05-08 at 06:25 PM.
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2018-05-08, 06:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1120 - The Discussion Thread
Ah, good point. Missed that.
Proclaiming something "objectively" true or false does not excuse you from proving it so.
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2018-05-08, 06:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-05-08, 06:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1120 - The Discussion Thread
So.
Your "ideal" world is Durkon forcing Hilgya to give up the child she's been taking care of for the last year or so because... Because you want it. I am fairly certain you don't mean for Hilgya to accompany the order in this, so your ideal solution is to remove the child from his mother because... What?
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2018-05-08, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2018-05-08, 07:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Is there any further punishment you wish to heap on Hilgya on account, purely and solely, of your dislike for her? Because let's be honest: there has been no indication at all that Kudzu was mistreated in any way, shape or form. You don't care about Kudzu. You care about maximizing damage to the victim of the abuse for which you were dreaming up justifications a few weeks ago. Incidentally, the dwarven society is sick, twisted and repugnant, even if the purpose of raising someone were making them convenient for society.
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2018-05-08, 07:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1120 - The Discussion Thread
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2018-05-08, 07:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-05-08, 07:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2018-05-08, 07:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, you see, there's also no indication for Hilgya that they'd not mistreat or try to impose their views on Kudzu, whereas, in real life, I'm not a psychopath and don't really feel like being jailed.
So, yes, the comparison is perfectly valid. And you'd do the exact same thing as Hilgya.
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2018-05-08, 07:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1120 - The Discussion Thread
Speaking as someone who has a tiny baby, I would leave him with you, because taking him into a police operation against armed criminals would be insane. I dislike your views to an extreme degree, but have no expectation you would harm a little baby. I can't say the same of an actual factual shootout.
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2018-05-08, 07:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2018-05-08, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-05-08, 07:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2018-05-08, 07:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1120 - The Discussion Thread
I am here for metaspell puns about the "cantrip"
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2018-05-08, 07:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-05-08, 07:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2018-05-08, 07:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-05-08, 07:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1120 - The Discussion Thread
Speaking as someone with a baby, I'd say that Hilgya proved to be completely irresponsible the moment she put her desire for revenge above the safety of her baby. False dichotomies aside, she should not be there at all. The choice is not between "battle" and "Thor's priests". It is between "revenge" and "not revenge".
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Ceterum autem censeo Hilgya malefica est
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2018-05-08, 07:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1120 - The Discussion Thread
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2018-05-08, 07:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-05-08, 07:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1120 - The Discussion Thread
Technically speaking, I think the Order could explain that if she didn't help them fight Greg the world was likely to end tonight, including for Kudzu--which would make leaving him at the Temple of Thor a better choice than taking him away entirely.
Of course, they have not done so, she has not asked, and the only thing she's actually fighting for, and risking Kudzu for, is her revenge on Durkon for having consensual sex with her while still maintaining a fundamentally opposed worldview to hers. And her ability to assert that she knows what's best for Kudzu even if reason, logic, and sanity all say different.
Weirdo: Just advance notice: Having defended her bringing Kudzu along instead of leaving him at the Temple of People She'd Like To Give A Wedgie does mean you can no longer credibly claim you haven't defended Hilgya doing something ridiculously irresponsible in this thread, even if that's not the specific argument you want to advance at a given moment. I know, it's so unfair (for a given value of "unfair").Last edited by Kish; 2018-05-08 at 07:44 PM.
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2018-05-08, 07:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1120 - The Discussion Thread
To be fair to Roy, it's not like she gave him much of a chance to explain: before he was done suggesting that the upcoming battle might not be the best for her baby, she was already issuing ultimatums that she'd be going to battle with her baby tied to her chest alone if she had to. Faced with such irrational decision making, best Roy could do is save his breath, really.
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2018-05-08, 08:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1120 - The Discussion Thread
Dwarven society is centered around honor, not Thor. And while Hilgya's issues with honor have certainly been established, there are worse thing than leaving a baby with a bunch of good-aligned priests and clerics (even low level ones) who are consumed with honor for a few hours.
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2018-05-08, 08:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-05-08, 08:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1120 - The Discussion Thread
If that's the case, choosing to actively seek out a psycho cult with a baby in tow seems particularly irresponsible. Was she going to trust them to behave if she had to go inside the temple to find whoever was there to kill Durkon?
As Grey_Wolf_c has pointed out (on multiple occasions), Hilgya had the option of not seeking vengeance. If not seeking vengeance is untenable, Hilgya had the option of leaving Kudzu safely with someone she trusts. If not seeking vengeance is untenable and Hilgya has no one she can trust, Hilgya is overburdened with her personal obligations; Kudzu shouldn't have to suffer for that.FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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