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    See, my question to such things is how much can convergent evolution work for this.

    A lot of animals have organs that work the same as humans, and many of them are in the same relative places. Humans aren't perfect; we have vestigal features and I could talk about boobs for a bit, but our evolution is pretty logical and an advanced sentient race would surely follow at least a good portion of the same logic.

    Really, I think some people try too hard to avoid the "humans with makeup" shtick. In doing so they might ignore the practicalities of form entirely or just use a single superficial reason to justify one of a dozen things. Halo does well, Mass Effect had a lot of very questionable aliens, not helping that a few of them were Humans with makeup.

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    Something that was sparked by the hours of driving I've been doing recently, through heavily wooded areas--

    All those depictions of "untouched" forests with tons of room between the trees, long sight lines, no underbrush, etc.

    From what I can tell, forests that are left to their own devices tend to grow plants to catch every single possible photon. That means layers of canopies, trees real close together, underbrush, the whole bit. So much so that you might get 10 feet of clear vision before there's something in your path. I can't imagine that clearing a trail through those is much fun at all.

    For game purposes, they'd probably be impassable (or at best very slow going), unless you find a game trail or are walking along a stream-bank.

    There are pockets of meadow-land, but the forests (at least in the south US, mostly KY, TN, and GA) are really stinking dense.

    I'd never really thought about it before. Gonna have to change that one in games I run from now on.
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    Something that was sparked by the hours of driving I've been doing recently, through heavily wooded areas--

    All those depictions of "untouched" forests with tons of room between the trees, long sight lines, no underbrush, etc.

    From what I can tell, forests that are left to their own devices tend to grow plants to catch every single possible photon. That means layers of canopies, trees real close together, underbrush, the whole bit. So much so that you might get 10 feet of clear vision before there's something in your path. I can't imagine that clearing a trail through those is much fun at all.

    For game purposes, they'd probably be impassable (or at best very slow going), unless you find a game trail or are walking along a stream-bank.

    There are pockets of meadow-land, but the forests (at least in the south US, mostly KY, TN, and GA) are really stinking dense.

    I'd never really thought about it before. Gonna have to change that one in games I run from now on.
    I know in 5e forests are difficult terrain. Halves move speed and overland travel. But yeah, most fantasy seems to imagine forests as fairly open spaces with a tree every 5-10 feet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixPhyre View Post
    Something that was sparked by the hours of driving I've been doing recently, through heavily wooded areas--

    All those depictions of "untouched" forests with tons of room between the trees, long sight lines, no underbrush, etc.

    From what I can tell, forests that are left to their own devices tend to grow plants to catch every single possible photon. That means layers of canopies, trees real close together, underbrush, the whole bit. So much so that you might get 10 feet of clear vision before there's something in your path. I can't imagine that clearing a trail through those is much fun at all.

    For game purposes, they'd probably be impassable (or at best very slow going), unless you find a game trail or are walking along a stream-bank.

    There are pockets of meadow-land, but the forests (at least in the south US, mostly KY, TN, and GA) are really stinking dense.

    I'd never really thought about it before. Gonna have to change that one in games I run from now on.

    Those strereotypical open forests of England and other parts of Europe weren't untouched natural woodlands, they'd been managed and maintained with clear ground by the locals for millennia in some cases, the better to access trees for harvest, the better to see game for hunting, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixPhyre View Post

    All those depictions of "untouched" forests with tons of room between the trees, long sight lines, no underbrush, etc.

    From what I can tell, forests that are left to their own devices tend to grow plants to catch every single possible photon. That means layers of canopies, trees real close together, underbrush, the whole bit. So much so that you might get 10 feet of clear vision before there's something in your path. I can't imagine that clearing a trail through those is much fun at all.
    Forests come in different types, and plants are competitive. In some forests, trees really do hog all the light so any underbrush can't really compete. The trees are tall, their bushes very thick, light doesn't really reach the surface.

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    See, my question to such things is how much can convergent evolution work for this.

    A lot of animals have organs that work the same as humans, and many of them are in the same relative places. Humans aren't perfect; we have vestigal features and I could talk about boobs for a bit, but our evolution is pretty logical and an advanced sentient race would surely follow at least a good portion of the same logic.

    Really, I think some people try too hard to avoid the "humans with makeup" shtick. In doing so they might ignore the practicalities of form entirely or just use a single superficial reason to justify one of a dozen things. Halo does well, Mass Effect had a lot of very questionable aliens, not helping that a few of them were Humans with makeup.
    Yeah, but most of the animals you're familiar with are all descended from the same primordial tetrapod. The differen't races in D&D and similar fantasy, on the other hand, generally aren't even all created by the same god.

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    I do not like mana or any concept of it. I will tolerate it in video games if the game itself is good, but if it used as a storytelling device it will annoy me. It almost completely demystifies magic and reminds me way too much of midichlorians.
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    Mana is much better when it's an area quality rather than a personal quality, so when it's low nobody can cast spells.

    I have also got to admit I like it in tabletop games. But it should be low, able to be tapped out by a few spells. My current game gives mages ~10 points of mana at first level, sets the minimum cost for a spell at 2 mana, and gives a handful of mana per level. Because it represents your ability to cast without getting tired, cast beyond your limits and you'll rack up one level of exhaustion per point of mana (equivalent to being in combat). Do you really need to cast 'unstick gem'? I don't like the D&D model where you end up with hundreds of SP and low level spells cost under ten.
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    I don't mind more scientific magic, though I usually want to flip my **** at very gamey magic, with buffs like skyrim's "+15% one handed damage"
    Dudes, just increase strength or give me power of some sort. No need to be so arbitrarily specific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Jack View Post
    I don't mind more scientific magic, though I usually want to flip my **** at very gamey magic, with buffs like skyrim's "+15% one handed damage"

    Dudes, just increase strength or give me power of some sort. No need to be so arbitrarily specific.
    Agreed -- magic (and some other things) designed around the game mechanics just knifes any sense that it's magic in the gut.
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    Forests come in different types, and plants are competitive. In some forests, trees really do hog all the light so any underbrush can't really compete. The trees are tall, their bushes very thick, light doesn't really reach the surface.
    I believe that's how the Black Forest got its name - the trees are so dense, it's always dark at ground level.
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    Something that was sparked by the hours of driving I've been doing recently, through heavily wooded areas--

    All those depictions of "untouched" forests with tons of room between the trees, long sight lines, no underbrush, etc.

    From what I can tell, forests that are left to their own devices tend to grow plants to catch every single possible photon. That means layers of canopies, trees real close together, underbrush, the whole bit. So much so that you might get 10 feet of clear vision before there's something in your path. I can't imagine that clearing a trail through those is much fun at all.

    For game purposes, they'd probably be impassable (or at best very slow going), unless you find a game trail or are walking along a stream-bank.

    There are pockets of meadow-land, but the forests (at least in the south US, mostly KY, TN, and GA) are really stinking dense.

    I'd never really thought about it before. Gonna have to change that one in games I run from now on.
    Forests grow in stages. An "Old growth" forest will be quite different from one that is just starting to regrow after a massive fire.

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    Forests grow in stages. An "Old growth" forest will be quite different from one that is just starting to regrow after a massive fire.
    Nope.

    Or rather, yes, there are forests like that. Most of northern and eastern Europe, north America, at least parts of Asia and every rainforest ever aren't like that at all when left to their own devices (industrial humans change everything).

    Forest fires are made much more devastating by human activity. Every patch of forest in temperate climte used to burn something like once a century. But now we put out most fires before they become anything, which results in a build up of burnable materiel. And eventually, a fire burns rapidly enough to become unfightable. That superlarge fire is also super hot which kills the threes - see, many species are fully capable of surviving "normal" fires once they're fully grown. There was a red pine in the mountains fairly close to me that fell in a storm a decade ago. It turned out the damn tree was from the 16th century and had survived 7 forest fires.

    Some forests, like red pine forests atop dry mountainous hills, naturally grow in cohorts - every tree is roughly the same age. Eventually, all trees dies in a short period of time, but it's more likely to be a storm than a fire (at least for red pines).

    Most forests (in the areas I mentioned) will contain trees of different ages (and often species). When a tree dies, of disease, age, storm or fire, you get a clearing where new (or fairly old, but stunted and small by lack of sunlight) trees compete to fill its place.

    One thing to keep in mind is the effect large herbivores; bison, elephants and the like, have on forest. They keep forests much, much more sparse than forests without them. Yellowstone was a wall of dense trees before bison was reintroduced, elephants in rainforests create and maintain huge clearings for themself. Domesticated cattle have a similar effect (but then, you usually also get humans gathering firewood and felling trees for construction and coal, so the two types of forests develop similarly but not identically).

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    One thing to keep in mind is the effect large herbivores; bison, elephants and the like, have on forest. They keep forests much, much more sparse than forests without them. Yellowstone was a wall of dense trees before bison was reintroduced, elephants in rainforests create and maintain huge clearings for themself. Domesticated cattle have a similar effect (but then, you usually also get humans gathering firewood and felling trees for construction and coal, so the two types of forests develop similarly but not identically).
    The other thing to keep mind is climate. Forests in northern California mountains are dominated by giant redwoods that were saplings when Brutus murdered Caesar, but it also has relatively little rain compared to other areas of the world so massive trees capture the vast majority of the water before smaller plants can get any. This is very different and drier climate than you would find in say the Amazon basin, which really can have ground level be so dense a person couldn't see more than half dozen meters in front of them at best. South-east Asia and the Indian sub-continent can be similarly dense. You wouldn't think that bull elephant could hide in a forest but you would be wrong, forests can be so dense that something as big as a house hiding just by standing still is absolutely something that happens.

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    Another thing I really hate, specifically aimed at books.

    When I read the description of a novel, or the novel itself, and don't encounter anything I wouldn't find in the D&D player's handbook (with an exception given to licenced novels, which have an excuse).

    When did fantasy become so samey? I've almost entirely ditched the high fantasy genre because of it. I mean the last fantasy book I read, published something like six years ago, included a kung fu dude, a guy who could talk to cars, and a movie wizard. Now that's infinitely more cool than clerics and half elves and evil demons.
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    When did fantasy become so samey? I've almost entirely ditched the high fantasy genre because of it. I mean the last fantasy book I read, published something like six years ago, included a kung fu dude, a guy who could talk to cars, and a movie wizard. Now that's infinitely more cool than clerics and half elves and evil demons.
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    Another thing I really hate, specifically aimed at books.

    When I read the description of a novel, or the novel itself, and don't encounter anything I wouldn't find in the D&D player's handbook (with an exception given to licenced novels, which have an excuse).

    When did fantasy become so samey? I've almost entirely ditched the high fantasy genre because of it. I mean the last fantasy book I read, published something like six years ago, included a kung fu dude, a guy who could talk to cars, and a movie wizard. Now that's infinitely more cool than clerics and half elves and evil demons.
    I mean, I don't want to write "but that's just like, your opinion man" but... I dunno, a lot of samey, crappy fantasy books do get published. But a lot of wholly original tales are also awful. I'd rather see familiar tropes in the hands of a skilled writer than original concepts written by a hack.
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    I mean, just stop reading the ones that seem d&d inspired. I agree with you, in that it’s a little bit of an overused idea, but how is your example of a good one different from a d&d party?
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    I mean, just stop reading the ones that seem d&d inspired. I agree with you, in that it’s a little bit of an overused idea, but how is your example of a good one different from a d&d party?
    Maybe someone should write a Rhapsody of Fire book. Although they have a lot of songs that seem very D&D inspired, but I think they have a lot of original content.
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    Maybe someone should write a Rhapsody of Fire book. Although they have a lot of songs that seem very D&D inspired, but I think they have a lot of original content.
    AND they got Sir Christopher Lee to sing with them! Some of it's cheesy as all get-out, but Christopher Lee, even in basically a Burger King crown, gives it a gravitas that just sucks you in!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luccan View Post
    I mean, I don't want to write "but that's just like, your opinion man" but... I dunno, a lot of samey, crappy fantasy books do get published. But a lot of wholly original tales are also awful. I'd rather see familiar tropes in the hands of a skilled writer than original concepts written by a hack.
    I mean, the problem there is the skill of the author. But if given the choice between an inventive risk and a safe normal, I'd rather take the risk.

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    I mean, just stop reading the ones that seem d&d inspired. I agree with you, in that it’s a little bit of an overused idea, but how is your example of a good one different from a d&d party?
    I don't read those books, but I see it all the time with wannabe authors. It also can sometimes make browsing the fantasy section hard.

    I will admit, that there is a difference between 'like D&D' and 'has elves and dwarves'.

    The way my example is different? Well I suppose I showed it poorly (the three aren't all on the same side), but the point is it's not something I tend to see.
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    It's hard to have a fantasy novel written now where there is zero input from D&D because the Tolkien -> D&D -> Fantasy genre cycle has been running for decades. But yeah any book which has a Dark Lord and dwarves and elves in it is going to get a hard pass from me unless someone I respect is making some inspiring recommendations.
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    I mean, the problem there is the skill of the author. But if given the choice between an inventive risk and a safe normal, I'd rather take the risk.
    And, given that same choice, I'd rather take the safe normal. *shrug* Different strokes for different folks.
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    I think that is a problem with high magic fantasy anyway. Conan is interesting because any injury is visceral and could lead to the character's downfall if not treated correctly. The Witcher has no insanely powerful wizards overlooking the land, dispatching the worst horrors of the monster world in 1-2 spells. Even Lord of the Rings is 70% travel RP, not big battles or wizard duels.

    People and fantasy authors tend to forgot, stuff like Forgotten Realms or Eberron or [insert generic high fantasy setting] is fine as a roleplaying game that acts as escapism and power fantasy. But it is much less valid to tell a compelling story. (To be fair, Eberron did away with much high power shenanigans, with a world defining cleric being 1st level outside her keep, and with 70ish hit points being one-shot material even when near the source of her power).
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    Quote Originally Posted by elanfanboy View Post
    They would soon turn to suicide due to a complete perfect lack of something to do
    Let's assume they've got a bunch of books and computer games and DVDs; like really a lot of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohandas View Post
    Let's assume they've got a bunch of books and computer games and DVDs; like really a lot of them
    Then they would still have exposure to others, after all, who is giving them the books and magazines? In this case, they can perform evil acts. What if a magazine inspired them to summon a demon?
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    Agreed. Every cemetery wants to be a dungeon when it grows up.
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    Say that they live on a deserted island and some crates coincidentallywashed up with a TV and a dvd player and some solar panels and a buttload of DVDs

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    See the end portion of thestatement above
    Quote Originally Posted by Strigon View Post
    Agreed. Every cemetery wants to be a dungeon when it grows up.
    here is a list of my homebrews thus far:
    [PF] WitchHunter

    "When you teach them-teach them not to fear. Fear is good in small amounts, but when it is a constant, pounding companion, it cuts away at who you are and makes it hard to do what you know is right."

    "It's impossible to go through life unscathed. Nor should you want to. By the hurts we accumulate, we measure both our follies and our accomplishments."

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