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2018-05-23, 05:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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[3.5] Favored Soul Sand Shaper
Hey all,
Just wondering, how would you get a straight classed Favored Soul to qualify for a one level dip into Sand Shaper?
The dip is pretty much purely for Desert Insight, to add a bunch of spells known.
The sticking point, as far as I can tell, is the req of "Arcane caster level 5th".
You can use SLAs to qualify, but I believe most SLAs (other than Invocations) are defined as neither arcane nor divine.
Would the Southern Magician feat give a divine caster an "arcane caster level"?
All ideas welcomed, so long as they are "official" 3.0 or 3.5, excluding Dragon Magazine.
[edit] I'm the DM. Looking for a RAW solution, if possible. [/edit]
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Re: [3.5] Favored Soul Sand Shaper
Being a Silverbrow Human, since they get 1/day Feather Fall, CL = HD, and Feather Fall is Wizards-only?
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Last edited by Troacctid; 2018-05-23 at 06:10 PM.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
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Re: [3.5] Favored Soul Sand Shaper
+1 for asking the DM. It's a trivial allowance.
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I'm the DM. I like to do things by RAW if at all possible.
I'll look into both of those, thanks.
Actually, I made a thread related to this a while back, I should look at that too: [3.5] Arcane Caster Level - Without CastingLast edited by Thurbane; 2018-05-23 at 06:49 PM.
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Re: [3.5] Favored Soul Sand Shaper
Random thought: would UMDing the Codex Advocare work? It's a magic tome from Expedition to Castle Ravenloft, that gives a Warlock (or DFA) an extra least invocation known.
If you were considered to have a least invocation, you'd have an arcane caster level, I believe.
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Re: [3.5] Favored Soul Sand Shaper
In that case I do not believe it is possible.
A spell-like ability that functions as a wizard spell isn't necessarily arcane. It just means it uses the wizard version of the spell. For example, what level spell is tongues? 2nd (bard), 3rd (wizard/sorcerer), or 4th (cleric)?
In order for the SLA to be arcane (or divine, or psionic) in nature, it would need to say so specifically, as in the case of warlocks. Either that or the DM would need to take a broader interpretation of what counts as an arcane or divine spell—which is not totally unsupported by the text, but there would be other ramifications if you read it that way.
UMD is pretty clear that it lets you emulate a class feature to activate the item. But the item's activation doesn't require invocations. A non-warlock can already activate it just fine, no UMD required. It just won't do anything.Rhymes with "Protracted."
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The MM and SRD version of Duergar says this about it's SLAs:
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That's the "broader interpretation of what counts as an arcane or divine spell" that I mentioned.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
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Re: [3.5] Favored Soul Sand Shaper
The MM/SRD addresses this:
"A monster’s spell-like abilities are presumed to be the sorcerer/wizard versions. If the spell in question is not a sorcerer/wizard spell, then default to cleric, druid, bard, paladin, and ranger, in that order."
Based on this text, I feel that SLAs default to "arcane" unless they appear exclusively on a cleric, druid, paladin, or ranger list, in which case this makes them "divine". My understanding is a silverbrow human (Dragon Magic) with 5 levels of Favored Soul would qualify for Sandshaper, as their feather fall SLA gives them an arcane CL of 5. Fluff-wise, silverbrow humans have draconic ancestry via the dragonblood subtype, and dragons are supposed to be innately arcane spellcasters.
I've seen people argue that SLAs are neither arcane or divine unless the text explicitly says so, but I call monkeysnot on that point.Last edited by Darrin; 2018-05-24 at 08:54 AM.
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Re: [3.5] Favored Soul Sand Shaper
Wasn't there that Alternative Spell Source feat or whatever I always see people tossing around?
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Re: [3.5] Favored Soul Sand Shaper
You can use duergar as the race. It's SLA is explicitly called out as being at the CL of a wizard of twice it's class level. Of course, this isn't ideal for a favored soul as a race.
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Rhymes with "Protracted."
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