Results 121 to 150 of 502
-
2018-06-03, 05:47 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Aug 2013
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
That is not what I said. I said that he would want her to have a body, if no other reason because of sex. This was not to say that his feelings for her were purely or even mainly physical. It is to say simply to say that there was a physical side to there relationship, and he would want to maintain that side as well as the more platonic side of their attraction.
-
2018-06-03, 06:21 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Aug 2013
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
Spoiler: Yeah, but ...Actually, in addition to the R3 astromech droid, L3 also has parts from an espionage droid and a protocol droid, so she could provide two of the three droid brains that the Falcon has. However, that is just a colossal waste.
The Millennium Falcon has never needed a fancy origin story to be extremely cool, so giving it one doesn't add much to the Star Wars universe. Whereas, removing L3-37, now that she has been introduced, makes things a good deal less cool. So, while the idea probably was to give the Millennium Falcon an origin story, they should drop that idea. They should just say that either Lando or Han decided to emulate certain aspects of L3 in the Falcon's design because they realized it would make for a better ship.
-
2018-06-05, 03:30 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Feb 2011
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
Just got back from seeing this. It was a ton of fun, one heist after another, equal parts goofy and great…sort of like Solo himself.
I didn’t expect to enjoy it that much, but I admit it was involving. Not glorious, not euphoric, and ultimately not the grand rush of emotion I could have wished for—but still one of the better ones in recent years.
I especially enjoyed all the little references to other characters and lore from long ago, and in particular to the Starcave of Thonbaka, which is fairly obscure these days. It’s a perfect reference for Lando, who of all the characters was absolutely perfectly done.
Also, one big plus for me:
Spoiler: When Minus Is PlusI don’t think the word “Jedi” was even mentioned. Yes, there was a lightsaber at the end, but the Jedi were so far out of the picture they weren’t even a memory.
This isn’t to say that I don’t like Jedi—much the opposite—but I’m glad to finally have a Star Wars movie that doesn’t have any mention of them, because the galaxy is hella lot bigger than that.
Spoiler: Another PlusDROID REVOLUTION!!!
Hilarious. L3 is a trip.
This movie cries out for a sequel, and a Lando spinoff as well.
-
2018-06-05, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Dec 2009
- Location
- Birmingham, AL
- Gender
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
I cannot second these hard enough. I'm also very saddened by the fact that this is my favorite of all the new movies, but due to circumstances largely beyond my control, I've only seen it in theaters once so far whole I saw all the others 3-5 times by now. They need to make more of this kind of Star Wars movie, but that's not at all the message I'm sending.
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
-
2018-06-05, 04:07 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jun 2009
- Gender
Boytoy of the -Fan-Club
What? It's not my fault we don't get a good-aligned female paragon of promiscuity!
I heard Blue is the color of irony on the internet.
I once fought against a dozen people defending a lady - until the mods took me down in the end.
Want to see my prison tatoo?
*Branded for double posting*
Sometimes, being bad feels so good.
-
2018-06-05, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Mar 2013
- Location
- Utah
- Gender
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
I'm trying to make up for it for you. I've seen it 4 times, and will see it a fifth on Thursday. More than I've seen TLJ total, and more times in the theater than any other Disney Star Wars.
And just to throw this out there - my favorite scene in the movie was the shower scene. I consider this movie to be Han and Chewie: A Love Story, and that scene was perfect.
-
2018-06-05, 05:17 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Dec 2009
- Location
- Birmingham, AL
- Gender
-
2018-06-05, 05:19 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- May 2012
- Location
- California
- Gender
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
Artist of my Avatar: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Rakrakrak-272771299ALL HAIL THE GREAT RAK!!
I use the same name in every game I ever play or forum I join (except the pretender on PSN that forced me to be RealOlinser). If you see an Olinser in a game or on a website, there's a high chance it's me, feel free to shoot me a message.
-
2018-06-05, 05:23 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Dec 2009
- Location
- Birmingham, AL
- Gender
-
2018-06-05, 09:51 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Feb 2011
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
Originally Posted by Olinser
Given the complete and utter box office disaster that this movie is, it's a pretty safe bet they're NOT going to make more of this kind of Star Wars movie.
Also, Marvel has thrown out some stiff competition here lately, especially with Deadpool opening around the same time. Solo is being compared to Rogue One, which is certainly fair—except that Rogue One opened in early December, where it had a better chance of standing out. Solo has been somewhat lost in the early summer stampede.
So it seems the box-office issues weren’t with the movie itself, but with the advertising and the release date.
-
2018-06-05, 10:06 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jul 2015
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
That's part of it. There's also the impact of TLJ - which hangs over this film like a massive shadow. Speaking for myself, I'm part of the group of aggrieved fans voting with my wallet against the Disney films after that abomination and it seems that group was large enough, globally, to have a real impact. However, there's no getting around the movie simply not being that strong on its own. If the overall franchise power of Star Wars at the box office is dead - and it seems to be - a genuinely good film ought to be able to compete. At the very least, it ought to have rallied slightly in the second weekend (no new releases, reduced competition from major sports). Instead, Solo got smacked upside the head by Ryan Reynolds in red spandex.
-
2018-06-05, 10:44 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- May 2012
- Location
- California
- Gender
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
PAHAHAHAHAHA. Blaming the marketing? Seriously?
Yes they had a relatively short marketing window. You know, it's almost like Disney decided to fire the directors in the middle of production and hire somebody else that re-shot 3/4 of the movie, but then they still refused to move back the launch date.
By almost all estimates they spent north of $200 million marketing this movie. Which is one of the major reasons this is an unquestionable financial DISASTER for the studio.Last edited by Olinser; 2018-06-05 at 10:45 PM.
Artist of my Avatar: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Rakrakrak-272771299ALL HAIL THE GREAT RAK!!
I use the same name in every game I ever play or forum I join (except the pretender on PSN that forced me to be RealOlinser). If you see an Olinser in a game or on a website, there's a high chance it's me, feel free to shoot me a message.
-
2018-06-05, 10:59 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Feb 2011
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
Originally Posted by Mechalich
If the overall franchise power of Star Wars at the box office is dead - and it seems to be….
Originally Posted by Mechalich
Instead, Solo got smacked upside the head by Ryan Reynolds in red spandex.
Keep in mind that Han Solo as a movie character has been around for over forty years, while Deadpool is just getting his second movie. There’s no question that Deadpool is the swooner in terms of capturing fans’ attention. He's the hot new property, and Solo--much as I love the character--isn't.
The fact is, as fun as the Solo movie was, it didn’t offer much in terms of overall surprises. We know that Han, Chewie and Lando make it out, and apart from a brief exchange between Han and Lando about their parents, we don’t really learn much more about them. No question that was a lost opportunity.
I grew up on the Han Solo and Lando Calrissian novels, so I have a very different set of backstories for these characters. That didn’t affect my enjoyment of the movie, although I do wish those novels could be filmed in some form. Bollux and Blue Max would be a team I’d love to see on the big screen.
As for the impact of TLJ, the true judge of that will be turnout for Episode IX. I was just reading elsewhere on Movieweb that Kelly Marie Tran has been driven off Instagram by hostility from fans who didn’t like her character, so I’m not especially sympathetic to that wing of the fan base.
-
2018-06-05, 11:18 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Dec 2009
- Location
- Birmingham, AL
- Gender
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
Same. Lord knows I think Rose is a terrible character, but that's not her fault at all. I think hate mail should go to the writers (and should be things like "I dislike this character for reasons," and not "kill yourself"), and throwing it her way is just as bad as when it was directed at Jake Lloyd back in the day.
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
-
2018-06-05, 11:28 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- May 2012
- Location
- California
- Gender
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
The franchise isn't 'dead', but it's definitely in serious trouble.
What happened after The Last Jedi and now been confirmed by Solo is that people no longer give Star Wars the benefit of the doubt that its going to automatically be a movie they want to watch (not unlike the DC universe). The Force Awakens people went in completely blind because it was STAR WARS and they wanted to see STAR WARS. That is no longer the case now.
Good Star Wars movies will still attract fans, but now they have to actually prove they're GOING to be a good movie before a lot of people will consider going. So they're actually in a deeper hole than a completely neutral movie outside a franchise because now the assumption is they're going to make a mediocre to bad movie.
Disney is going to have to make at least 2-3 good movies in a row to regain the benefit of the doubt with fans. And from their current trajectory following the last 2 movies, that seems highly unlikely (but not impossible).
Frankly at this point to regain fan goodwill there needs to be a couple of very public high-profile firings and Disney needs to communicate to fans from a position of 'we will make the next movie better'. If they simply stay the course and blame things like marketing then Episode 9 or whatever you want to call it is going to probably be another box office disaster for Disney - and that might actually finish off the franchise.Last edited by Olinser; 2018-06-05 at 11:29 PM.
Artist of my Avatar: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Rakrakrak-272771299ALL HAIL THE GREAT RAK!!
I use the same name in every game I ever play or forum I join (except the pretender on PSN that forced me to be RealOlinser). If you see an Olinser in a game or on a website, there's a high chance it's me, feel free to shoot me a message.
-
2018-06-05, 11:45 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jul 2015
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
I said the 'power' of the franchise, as in the power to clear the marketplace and go unchallenged and the power to buoy even movies that the consensus labels as awful - see episodes I and II and VIII - to massive success at the box office. The very fact that Deadpool was deliberately scheduled against Solo following the poor reception of TLJ is indicative of this. The fact that it worked is even more so. Don't expect Episode IX to have a clear lane in the holidays, someone else will move up to challenge it in that space.
Solo is by all accounts a generally good film but not anything spectacular, all other things being equal it should have done better than it did, at least internationally. Keep in mind that Solo tanked utterly in China (the world's #2 movie market), even beyond the low expectations for Star Wars there, despite not facing any opposition from Deadpool there.
Same. Lord knows I think Rose is a terrible character, but that's not her fault at all. I think hate mail should go to the writers (and should be things like "I dislike this character for reasons," and not "kill yourself"), and throwing it her way is just as bad as when it was directed at Jake Lloyd back in the day.
Frankly at this point to regain fan goodwill there needs to be a couple of very public high-profile firings and Disney needs to communicate to fans from a position of 'we will make the next movie better'. If they simply stay the course and blame things like marketing then Episode 9 or whatever you want to call it is going to probably be another box office disaster for Disney - and that might actually finish off the franchise
-
2018-06-05, 11:53 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Nov 2006
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
Now with half the calories!
-
2018-06-05, 11:58 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jul 2012
- Location
- Across the spiraling sea.
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
Not sure if I agree with your latter points, since I personally enjoyed TLJ and want to see more films come out of the franchise that are like it, but I do agree with the sentiment that maybe large studios will finally get it through their skulls to stop focusing on name recognition alone and to go back to putting more focus on funding original IPs and standalone works. I mean, it won't stop them entirely (studios have milked sequels since the dawn of the written word, after all), but even if it gets them to back off a little bit, then perhaps there's hope for a positive cultural shift.
-
2018-06-06, 12:08 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Nov 2013
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
For Last Jedi, isn't there a bit of confirmation bias going on here? From my brief Googling about, I found that TLJ underperformed slightly compared to expectations...but was still the highest grossing movie of 2017. It also got a 91% on Rotten Tomatoes.
That's not the sign of a franchise that's about to die. I don't think the results of a spinoff prequel movie that wasn't marketed well (I heard it was releasing AFTER the movie was already in cinemas) is particularly indicative of a wider trend. What will really tell the story is when episode IX hits. Then we'll see if general audiences really didn't like TLJ, or whether it's an aggrieved vocal minority.
-
2018-06-06, 12:17 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- May 2012
- Location
- California
- Gender
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
From what I understand Rian Johnson's involvement with Solo was pretty minimal so at this point that probably wouldn't be the right choice or garner much goodwill from fans. If Disney were going to fire him they would/should have done it after Last Jedi, so I think its a pretty safe bet that he's not getting 'fired', per se, and with my understanding that JJ Abrahms is going to direct Episode 9 now firing Johnson would probably have the exact opposite effect because it would so obviously be a scapegoat firing of somebody that isn't doing anything in the near future anyway. JJ Abrams returning is a smart move, but firing Johnson at this point would accomplish less than nothing (unless he's signed on as a writer in which case yes, fire him immediately).
Right now Kennedy would definitely be the prime suspect for a public firing, and definitely the one whose head fans are calling for, but I'm not necessarily convinced she's the one that needs to go. She's definitely alienated a lot of the fan base, but to my mind the real question that needs to be answered is, "Who was actually in charge of monitoring the production of Solo, and why did they allow the production to get to the point where firing the directors AFTER they spent $125 million was considered a good course of action?". MAYBE that's Kennedy - I know she was the one that made the final decision to fire the directors - but I don't really think she's necessarily the one that was responsible for actually monitoring the progress of the movie. If a director or lead actor needs to be removed that needs to be identified EARLY in production. The fact that it went so late implies that either A) nobody was actually put in charge of monitoring the movie and reporting to Kennedy (or Iger, or whoever the final decision maker was), B) the person in charge of monitoring it was incompetent and didn't realize how badly it was going until they'd wasted $125 million, or C) the person in charge of monitoring it was trying to cover up how bad it was. If Kennedy was actually in charge of monitoring the production, yeah, 100% fired immediately. If it was somebody else, they need to be unambiguously identified by Disney as to their role and how they failed, and then fired. Then Kennedy (or whoever gets tapped to replace the fired Kennedy) needs to make a very public statement/announcement about exactly how they plan to do much better with the next movie.
TL:DR - Firing Rian Johnson would be pointless, firing Kennedy MAY be the right move but has to be done in the right way or will be equally pointless. The biggest thing that needs to come from Disney is an unambiguous public announcement that Last Jedi and Solo did not meet their standards, and ensure a commitment to make Episode 9 a better movie than the last couple.
Artist of my Avatar: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Rakrakrak-272771299ALL HAIL THE GREAT RAK!!
I use the same name in every game I ever play or forum I join (except the pretender on PSN that forced me to be RealOlinser). If you see an Olinser in a game or on a website, there's a high chance it's me, feel free to shoot me a message.
-
2018-06-06, 12:17 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Dec 2009
- Location
- Birmingham, AL
- Gender
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
-
2018-06-06, 12:39 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jul 2015
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
Johnson is still signed up to direct an entirely new trilogy of Star Wars films. Canceling that project, or even just putting it on indefinite hiatus until they let the Game of Thrones team do their trilogy first and launch the live action TV series, could have a palliative effect. Frankly I just think they need to make some room in the docket and reduce the overall output to a single Star Wars film each year, and if you're going to cut back, Johnson seems like the first piece to trim off.
Right now Kennedy would definitely be the prime suspect for a public firing, and definitely the one whose head fans are calling for, but I'm not necessarily convinced she's the one that needs to go. She's definitely alienated a lot of the fan base, but to my mind the real question that needs to be answered is, "Who was actually in charge of monitoring the production of Solo, and why did they allow the production to get to the point where firing the directors AFTER they spent $125 million was considered a good course of action?". MAYBE that's Kennedy - I know she was the one that made the final decision to fire the directors - but I don't really think she's necessarily the one that was responsible for actually monitoring the progress of the movie. If a director or lead actor needs to be removed that needs to be identified EARLY in production. The fact that it went so late implies that either A) nobody was actually put in charge of monitoring the movie and reporting to Kennedy (or Iger, or whoever the final decision maker was), B) the person in charge of monitoring it was incompetent and didn't realize how badly it was going until they'd wasted $125 million, or C) the person in charge of monitoring it was trying to cover up how bad it was. If Kennedy was actually in charge of monitoring the production, yeah, 100% fired immediately. If it was somebody else, they need to be unambiguously identified by Disney as to their role and how they failed, and then fired. Then Kennedy (or whoever gets tapped to replace the fired Kennedy) needs to make a very public statement/announcement about exactly how they plan to do much better with the next movie.
The biggest thing that needs to come from Disney is an unambiguous public announcement that Last Jedi and Solo did not meet their standards, and ensure a commitment to make Episode 9 a better movie than the last couple.
-
2018-06-06, 12:48 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- May 2012
- Location
- California
- Gender
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
Last Jedi massively underperformed by basically every metric they set. It was a central flagship episode to the series and it barely beat Rogue One, a spin off based on characters nobody had ever even heard of.
And '91% on Rotten Tomatoes' is such a laughably bad metric to provide that it borders on just plain lying. CRITICS gave it 91%. You know what actual audiences gave it on Rotten Tomatoes? 46%. Which is why it so badly underperformed.
Sticking with Rotten Tomatoes, compare that to Force Awakens - Critics gave it a 93%, and fans gave it an 87%. Or Rogue One, critics 85%, fans 87%. Citing only critics on Rotten Tomatoes is just laughable when talking about a movie's success.
Sure Last Jedi made money, so it wasn't the financial disaster that Solo is, but it was definitely the first big red flag for Disney that they were not heading in the right direction with the franchise. They chose to ignore it. They continue to ignore it at the peril of the franchise.
Artist of my Avatar: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Rakrakrak-272771299ALL HAIL THE GREAT RAK!!
I use the same name in every game I ever play or forum I join (except the pretender on PSN that forced me to be RealOlinser). If you see an Olinser in a game or on a website, there's a high chance it's me, feel free to shoot me a message.
-
2018-06-06, 01:07 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jun 2009
- Gender
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
I think that is true, but it's actually even worse.
Quite a lot of people actively boycott any new Star Wars movie because they hated TLJ (I think this is why Solo has made so little success - Solo IS a really good movie. Not as spectacular as the main movies, but a very good character movie on a smaller scale).
And IX has an additional, very important problem: People who watch for the storyline don't bother anymore.
If the middle part of a story is BS, the ending is pointless. And that's what, unfortunately, happened for me, and I think other people as well.
I am just not interested anymore in what's happening, and that is the end of the series. Literally the only thing that would make me want to watch IX is if they heavily retconned VIII on screen.
I don't boycott the movie - I might watch it when my family drags me into it - but I have absolutely no active interest in watching it.
I am somewhat at peace with Star Wars. I watched this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCB8DUGpYQQ
And my reaction was pretty much the same as hers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQscf6wwvK4
It's done. It's finished. This is really how it should have happened. I can now rest easily, knowing that there are sane people left in the world, it's just not the ones in charge of writing the official Star Wars Saga to its end.
DC arguably has it easier, when they can just reboot anything. I hear that's the norm for comic/cartoon movies, new adaptions from stuff every new year or so. That means you can get somewhere by hiring a new director and promising that the new reboot will be much better.
With an ongoing saga, an ongoing story, there's a limit - once you made your story un-tellable once, there's just no turning back without taking that part out and redoing it. At least for story people. For everyone who just needs explosions in space....well they were doing that anyway.
Re: Solo
I don't know what my favourite scene was. But I know my favourite character: Qui'ra. She is awesome.Boytoy of the -Fan-Club
What? It's not my fault we don't get a good-aligned female paragon of promiscuity!
I heard Blue is the color of irony on the internet.
I once fought against a dozen people defending a lady - until the mods took me down in the end.
Want to see my prison tatoo?
*Branded for double posting*
Sometimes, being bad feels so good.
-
2018-06-06, 03:58 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Apr 2011
- Gender
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
Depends how much they get out of secondary revenue.
Disney know all about movies that don't necessarily break even at the box office but actually generate more revenue than they cost (Cars is a prime example).
(Also, once you account for the secondary revenue of home video almost no Hollywood movie that had at least one major actor and that wasn't a comedy has actually lost money)
-
2018-06-06, 05:55 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Oct 2013
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
After 3 billion dollar hits, I don't think one flop is reason to fire Kennedy.
I don't think TLJ hate would have stopped people going to Solo if they thought it was going to be good, but there was just too much stacked against it productionwise, like Justice League. It was marketed mostly on Han Solo's name, which isn't enough to get a lot of people into the theatre.
-
2018-06-06, 05:59 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jul 2015
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
Actually, due to various tricks of studio accounting, almost every major Hollywood movie officially loses money in a scheme to stiff the actors, directors, writers, and others out of residuals. This is one of the reasons prognosticators focus on the box office, because the rest is a web of lies. In any case the general rule of thumb is that a film needs to earn 2-3x its budget at the box office to turn a profit once all things are accounted for - and that includes the secondary market (at least in the near-term, Disney makes lots of money by having a vault full of effectively timeless kids films it can periodically re-release that most other studious can't bank duplicate). For a franchise with a more powerful than normal secondary market like Star Wars you could probably come in on the low end of that and still make money - though its worth noting that toy sales are also down post-TLJ.
The real problem Solo has is not the under-performance, but the overwhelming budget. Due to the directorial conflict that effectively shoot two whole movies, so that a film that might have functioned on a budget of 150-200 million cost upwards of 300 million. That moves the break-even point from around 400 million - a number that Solo will probably reach - to over six hundred million, a number it won't.
The coldest and most calculated lesson Disney needs to take from Solo is one of cost control. If the market for Star Wars has softened - and in addition to the jilted fans issue the franchise faces the ever-growing problem of simply not being popular in China. If you compare Star Wars to Marvel you're looking at 50-100 million per film left on the table due to the lack of interest in China. Ultimately, it will probably be the failure of Star Wars to penetrate the Chinese market that contributes to the decline of the franchise more than any other factor.
-
2018-06-06, 02:11 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jun 2009
- Gender
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
Toys are an interesting topic. I think this needs more detailed analysis.
I would guess that one major target buyer population for SW toys are the hardcore fans - with males in 30s-40s in the majority.
From personal experience, these kinds of people are the most likely to buy just to collect. In other words, these would be the ones who would buy the 10th version of Luke's lightsabre just so that their collection is complete.
These fans, unfortunately, are the ones most annoyed by TLJ (although this isn't 100% both ways: I personally am NOT any collector, and I hate TLJ, and some hardcore fans who collect might still like TLJ and continue collecting - we would need numbers for that).
Which leaves children (after all we are talking about toys) and less hardcore fans.
With less hardcore fans, I think there is one big problem with TLJ: It doesn't offer much new stuff. There is a point where you don't need another X-Wing, even if it might be black this time. Likewise, how many versions of the same character do you need action figures of?
Additionally, some new things are just laaaaame: The new bomber fighters in the movie clearly stink, compared to the faster fighters in the OT or the prequels. So who would want these slow impractical things to play with? Sure, someone, but also lots of people don't. LEGO has them, for example. Would be interesting how well these sell.
So how about kids? That's tough to say for me, but if I were to guess TLJ is way to pseudo-progressive for me for the typical child to like much. People who LIKE TLJ are, in my experience, typically people who see some greater vision in it, some "subversion the genre needed" or some such. What kids typically find cool, though, is cool action scenes with simple, understandable, kickass good guys and bad guys. TLJ goes a long way deconstructing the heroes we love. Whether you think this was a good idea or a bad idea creatively is one thing. The other thing is: how many children do you think would want to buy "disillusioned grumpy lethargic old hermit Luke" action figure? Or "illusion for 10 seconds, then died anyway" Luke action figure?
it wouldn't surprise me at all if the more classical action movie TFA sold waaaay more toys, both figures and spaceships and stuff.
Which leaves one thing: the occasional buyer who just likes some stuff because it's cute: aka robots and plushies. And I have to say: this still works! We bought both a plushie Porg and a LEGO BB-8 for my father for christmas/birthday, because these are just cool. I don't know how many people buy plushie horses or crystal foxes, but I personally do think Disney did the right thing there, at least in regard to including the Porgs, and before that, BB-8.
The horses suffer, I think, from the overall blandness and stupidity of the casino arc, and the foxes are in the depressing end of the movie. Both also don't have these "cute scenes" like the porgs do. So it wouldn't surprise me if fox and horse toys sold much worsen than Porgs (in fact, I don't even know if these have toys.)Boytoy of the -Fan-Club
What? It's not my fault we don't get a good-aligned female paragon of promiscuity!
I heard Blue is the color of irony on the internet.
I once fought against a dozen people defending a lady - until the mods took me down in the end.
Want to see my prison tatoo?
*Branded for double posting*
Sometimes, being bad feels so good.
-
2018-06-06, 04:31 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- May 2012
- Location
- California
- Gender
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
It's actually NOT probably going to make it to $400 million. It's at only $271 million worldwide and already having massive dropoff, with no major market unreleased. Most projections have it finishing around a full worldwide total of $325-350 million, which is already lower than the original budget + advertising - original budget was approx $120 million and estimated $250 million advertising for a total spend of approx $370 million - and that's not even starting the discussion on whether the original cut would have done better/worse, although I don't think its unreasonable to think that Disney would never have approved spending another $125 million on the movie if the original cut weren't a huge dumpster fire.
So even assuming the exact same returns, even if they hadn't doubled the budget they'd be losing money on the movie. Maybe not as MUCH money, but definitely still a large chunk of change.
Artist of my Avatar: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Rakrakrak-272771299ALL HAIL THE GREAT RAK!!
I use the same name in every game I ever play or forum I join (except the pretender on PSN that forced me to be RealOlinser). If you see an Olinser in a game or on a website, there's a high chance it's me, feel free to shoot me a message.
-
2018-06-06, 04:35 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Dec 2009
- Location
- Birmingham, AL
- Gender
Re: Solo: I've got a pretty good feeling about this!
Last edited by Peelee; 2018-06-06 at 04:35 PM.
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2