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Hearthstone 22: Evening the Odds
Welcome to twenty-second GitP thread for Hearthstone. For anyone who doesn't know, Hearthstone is a video card game from Blizzard, based on the Warcraft series. The game is free to play and available here, so if you're interested, give it a shot. You've got nothing to lose but your free time.
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Aaaaaaaaw, most boring title. I preferred pretty much all the others.
oh well. time to see what Brawl is going on this week.
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I managed to win with a mage deck....ironically by it functioning as an aggro deck, never drawing any of my big spells and the rogue conceding because they didn't use any spells
the second one I tried I faced a golden mage guy with legend backs. so. I got beaten.
its a weird brawl where you only win if you use spells right: use them too much and you lose, don't use them at all and you lose.....yeah its horrible.
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Ah, you didn't face one of the Druids. Lucky. They basically win by a combination of spells that draw cards (Nourish, UI, Starfire, Choose the Path) and cards that both deal damage and give armor (Bite, Gnash, Claw). Or they can play the Hand-Druid card that fills their board with Wisps + Soul of the Forest to set up for Savage Roar the next turn, demanding two board wipes out of you to prevent it. Both of the ones I faced killed me on turn 2. My win came from a Priest whose strategy I couldn't figure out - don't think he knew what he was doing. Though to be fair, neither did I, I just threw a Mage deck together with damaging spells and some minions that synergize with spells.
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No, I did, the two ones before that were a druid that basically used the 5555 plague card costs ten a bunch of other cards to gain more armor and health than he was losing so I condeded, and a priest that got free from amber and other such spells early and had like, a taunt mammoth and an Alextrasza on the board on like turn 1 or 2. I was just sharing the one where I actually won first.
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rog is BS in this since they can cast as many spell as they want while immune from their weapon
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Rogue really doesn't have a lot in the way of power spells here though. You'd have to get to turn 3 (to play the weapon), and have 1-2 sprints pretty early in your deck for it to have any chance of working, and even then I'm not sure it could OTK.
The real problem is Druids just stomp all over everyone. Their spell selection is basically ideally tailored for this sort of brawl.
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Hearthstone is pretty boring and annoying to me these days. I like a relaxed game in Standard ladder. Somehow I tend to always play around/into the wrong things because the meta game is extremely varied. Which is a nice thing for streamers and people heavily into the game, but not for me (at least anymore). Also at first I liked the ladder changes. But somehow I miss beating up others with a quick laddering deck. And people tend to run more control oriented styles now that they dont have to rush through 20+ ranks.
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If you want a fast aggro deck to rush you up the ladder, then Odd Paladin/Hunter, Tempo Mage and Quest Rogue have you covered. Yes you'll lose to the control and combo decks that have great mulligans, but that's a good thing, just concede and re-queue.
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Bopping around rank 20 because I only play 1-2 ranked matches a week. Seems everybody is playing some variant of Taunt druid, which annoys my Cult of Azari Warlock deck immensely. Had to swap in silences just for them.
Speaking of, on a scale of 1 to bad, how bad is this deck?Spoiler: Cult of Azari
# Class: Warlock
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Raven
# 2x (1) Dark Pact
# 2x (1) Kobold Librarian
# 1x (1) Mortal Coil
# 2x (1) Voidwalker
# 1x (2) Defile
# 2x (2) Vulgar Homunculus
# 1x (3) Shrieking Shroom
# 1x (3) Unwilling Sacrifice
# 1x (3) Voodoo Doll
# 1x (4) Grim Necromancer
# 1x (4) Hellfire
# 2x (4) Lesser Amethyst Spellstone
# 2x (4) Saronite Chain Gang
# 2x (4) Spellbreaker
# 1x (5) Bane of Doom
# 1x (5) Carnivorous Cube
# 1x (5) Despicable Dreadlord
# 1x (6) Rin, the First Disciple
# 1x (7) Lord Godfrey
# 1x (9) Lord Jaraxxus
# 2x (9) Voidlord
# 1x (10) Sea Giant
I've been fiddling with it off and on for months and avoiding net decking, but I think it's okay...I just struggle with it against a lot of stuff. I have Odd Pally and Spellhunter (my main deck, I love it so much) for tryharding, but I feel like this one COULD be good.
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It's a control deck right? One with Rin and Jaraxxus as win conditions. I wonder if you might be dividing your focus a bit too much between things like Shrieking Shroom and Grim Necromancer, which only seem to be there so you can try to set up an early-ish Sea Giant, but you only have one. You might benefit from focusing more on your endgame instead, having more board clears like a second Defile, a second Despicable Dreadlord, maybe even a Twisting Nether. You should also look into a Hooked Reaver to help you stabilize against aggro.
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Re: Hearthstone 22: Evening the Odds
The Necromancer and Shroom are also there as easy targets for Unwilling Sacrifice or Dark Pact, though post-nerf on the latter it seems less worthwhile.
The idea was more a toolbox deck, but you're right thatmaking it more control oriented might be better; there's only so much tools alone will do for you in HS it seems.
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Hmm... I personally think Voodoo Doll and Spellstone give you enough spot removal that you shouldn't need Unwilling Sacrifice. It's also a dead draw if you have no board, which you definitely don't want. I'd probably go for something like Siphon if you need more spot removal - but again, your priority (at least imo) should be more clears.
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If you want early Sea Giants and a guaranteed Defile starter, honestly consider Wisp. I'm not even joking. Because it costs 0 mana, it does what you're relying on Shroom and Necro for, but you don't have to play it the turn before; you can drop it immediately. If you have room, also adding Snowflipper Penguin helps consistency.
It's purely a utility card, but with all of Warlock's card draw, you can afford to slot a few "usually unplayable" cards with niche purposes.
Potentially worth experimenting with.
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Also, got an Emeriss and a Lady in White off a 5-pack bundle I saved up and bought. Any deck ideas or should I dust them?OotS Avatar by Linklele.
Spoiler: When early morn walks forth in sober grey. - William BlakeOft when the summer sleeps among the trees,
Whispering faint murmurs to the scanty breeze,
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A youth doth walk in stolen joy and pride,
I curse my stars in bitter grief and woe,
That made my love so high and me so low.
O should she e'er prove false, his limbs I'd tear
And throw all pity on the burning air;
I'd curse bright fortune for my mixed lot,
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Both will be around for a while, I wouldn't dust them as it's not hard to imagine either becoming relevant within the next two years even if they're not super playable now. I'm currently using Emeriss in a wild C'thun Hunter deck
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Emeriss goes into the "Dragon Hunter" archetype which...isn't really a thing. The pre-built is kind of fun, but pretty trash.
Hang onto it in case some baller dragons come out or you want to have fun meme-ing people with a 16/16 King Krush or something.
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I'd sooner slam Kobold Geomancer or Bloodmage Thalnos if I were that starved for lowdrops and/or Defile starters.
re: Cult of Azari: as much as I hate to say it, Bloodreaver Guldan is simply superior to Jaraxxus in this meta. You run quite a few demons and BRG is a much better hero. Ofc, I understand if you can't afford it, but if you're into improving this deck, I'd start with that.
I'd cut the Voidwalker, because it doesn't really do that much for you (you have a powerful taunt at 2 mana, Defile, and Hellfire to deal with aggro), instead aiming at some decent value common minion in any of the other mana tiers - with the Grim Necromancers and Chain Gangs, and to preserve the feeling that I'm assuming you're trying to achieve, maybe you could run something like a Cobalt Scalebane. The deck feels more like a Midrange Warlock than Control because it plays value minions every turn, runs two Silences (kinda unnecessary imho in this kinda decklist) to deliver burst easier, etc. It doesn't have enough of that ridiculous Control Lock value that we got in this meta.
As it stands, it looks kinda like it can't decide whether it wants to be Zoo or Cubelock - Sea Giant, Grim Necromancer and perhaps the Spellbreakers feel kinda off here.
Basic / Common / Rare cards I'd consider as replacements (I'm assuming you're not a whale, since the deck does run one-offs of some pretty strong epics, like Cube, and it runs the fairly outdated Jaraxxus) while still preserving the flavor of the deck - I know I could just say "just download Cubelock lmao", but let's try to give you some ideas:
Plated Beetle - the best defensive 2 drop, outside of Doomsayer, ofc.
Shadow Bolt - to counter Odd Rogue's turn 3 (Hench-Clan into dagger stab means an annoying, sticky 4/4) and give you additional board control.
Shroom Brewer - for efficient healing and a decent minion to play on curve
Rotten Applebaum - solid statline on a taunt, and good healing.
Defender of Argus - you run plenty of tokens and are more on the defensive side.
What cards do you have? I think there's some website that lets you post your entire collection. I'd really shift around your curve to include more late-game minions, personally, because I feel like if you're not running full on Zoo, Warlock's early game is in a really good spot and control lists want some immense value generating cards. If you have an LK or an Ysera laying around, or hell, given the Midrange flavor, I'd even slap Cairne into here if I really wanted to, I'd certainly do that.
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Re: Hearthstone 22: Evening the Odds
It runs Jaraxxus primarily because I drew it recently. Plus he's fun. I think this is the only deck I have with three Legendaries and none crafted. The Spellbreakers are there specifically because I lost like three consecutive games against some variant of Taunt Druid and being able to silence Hadronox, Cube, or Spiritsinger Umbra (on one occasion) would have turned all three into sure victories. I had...I think Curse of Weakness and Drain Soul instead at the time? Something like that.
I have a decent collection I think, but lack most of the Classic Legendaries. I'll see about hooking it up to that app here in a sec.
Thanks a bunch for the advice so far!
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I've gotten to Rank 2, 1 star from rank 8, 1 star using Healing Zoolock, with somewhere less than 10 losses, on NA.
Around 5 games have been Odd Paladins where I got insanely lucky, drawing keleseth on 2 and despicable dreadlord on 5.
I'm running a version with 1 Void Ripper and 1 Spellbreaker. Void Ripper does well to find lethal using Voidwalkers and Tar Creepers, killing doomsayers and mana tide totems, and setting up easy trades against low attack taunts.
Spellbreaker silences taunts, the odd slimeling or lackey, and doomsayers.
Spoiler: Deck Code
### The Veterinarian
# Class: Warlock
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Raven
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# 2x (1) Flame Imp
# 2x (1) Kobold Librarian
# 2x (1) Lightwarden
# 2x (1) Soulfire
# 2x (1) Voidwalker
# 2x (1) Voodoo Doctor
# 1x (2) Prince Keleseth
# 2x (3) Fungal Enchanter
# 2x (3) Happy Ghoul
# 2x (3) Tar Creeper
# 1x (3) Void Ripper
# 2x (4) Lifedrinker
# 2x (4) Saronite Chain Gang
# 1x (4) Spellbreaker
# 2x (5) Despicable Dreadlord
# 2x (5) Fungalmancer
# 1x (5) Leeroy Jenkins
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I have at least 10 more games until I hit legend. With this winrate, it'll be more around 15, I would guess based on my winrate.
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Spoiler: NEW EXPANSION TEASER LEAKED BOYOS
Magnetic feels like a weird choice of keyword. I would've picked Fuse or Assimilate.
Oh yeah, Mechs are back baby, can't wait for new Dr. Turn 7.OotS Avatar by Linklele.
Spoiler: When early morn walks forth in sober grey. - William BlakeOft when the summer sleeps among the trees,
Whispering faint murmurs to the scanty breeze,
I walk the village round; if at her side
A youth doth walk in stolen joy and pride,
I curse my stars in bitter grief and woe,
That made my love so high and me so low.
O should she e'er prove false, his limbs I'd tear
And throw all pity on the burning air;
I'd curse bright fortune for my mixed lot,
And then I'd die in peace, and be forgot.
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So, Magnetic is functionally a buff spell, but you can drop it as a minion. It can't be counterspelled, though I wonder if it triggers Explosive Runes. Because HS is weird. The tribal requirement is pretty restrictive for some classes, but maybe the cards are just good enough on their own. Spider Bomb is probably playable, it's Deadly Shot with a 2/2 body, though not immediate.
I'm not immediately impressed by Project cards. Every example of a similar mechanic we've seen so far has been mediocre, except for Coldlight being used for mill and aggro.
Omega is an interesting way to seal off long games, working a little like Kicker cards in Magic. Great for topdecking, dominant in Arena.
Shaman legendary seems super powerful. Imagine a doubled Far Sight, Healing Rain, Ancestral Spirit, or Spellstone. In a pinch, you can eat a ton of overload for a huge single target removal. Probably the new Kazakus for Overload Shaman.
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It'll definitely trigger ER if you drop it as a creature. The question is whether it will do that if you drop it as a buff. I'm thinking no but we'll see.
Tribes skewing more towards some classes than others is nothing new. Beasts are more prevalent in Hunter and Druid, Pirates were more prevalent in Warrior and Rogue, Elementals in Mage/Shaman/Priest , Demons in Warlock etc.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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I'm not sure a 2/6 Taunt for 4 is as 'good' as they describe it without the Omega trigger.
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