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Thread: Hearthstone 22: Evening the Odds
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2018-07-11, 08:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Hearthstone 22: Evening the Odds
Only as many cards as you can hold in your hand. Everything else gets milled, including spiders once your hand is full.
The card works as such: you now have ten cards which need to win you the game. What ten cards can win you a game? Is that a best-case situation, worst-case scenario, or somewhere in between? The more options your deck has to win with only ten cards, the better this card is.
As long as you're not relying on two or three explosive turns to win, because you might not draw this spell.
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2018-07-11, 08:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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The rogue spell could replace a second Gadgetzan. It is however terrible until late game. I'd say it is best in a combo deck (ala Malygos Rogue - cast the spell, draw Maly, Shiv, Shiv, Prep, Prep, keep Coin, Eviscerate for 21 damage)
What ten cards can win you a game?[...]The more options your deck has to win with only ten cards, the better this card is.
Ten cards is a third of a deck. There are enough combos that can win you that easily.Last edited by Spore; 2018-07-11 at 08:36 AM.
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2018-07-11, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Note that if you burn the spiders they don't spawn. Meaning if they aren't part of those first 10 cards, you get nothing.
I would say that card is obviously best used in aggro, since in control or combo you risk burning your win condition if you use it before the last 10 cards, and if you wait until then to use it it's a dead draw the entire time. So with that said I would probably drop it into Odd Rogue, in place of Sprint, for finishing out games where the opponent is about to stabilize. If you can't finish them off with 10 more cards in hand then you were probably going to lose anyway. It also lets you point and laugh at Rin decks. ("You can't fire me, I already quit!")Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2018-07-11, 11:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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No one has yet asked the important question - how do we get Dave Kosak to make a rap song for us?
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2018-07-11, 11:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-07-11, 11:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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I find that another risk is that rogues rarely have small hands at any point in the game. Their card draw is already so good that it would be difficult to run out of cards if you tried. Drawing the rest of your deck risks having a hand too full to make the best use of it. If you have five or more cards in your hand, you'll lose most of your deck to the milling.
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2018-07-11, 11:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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This again is why aggro is the best fit for this card - dumping your hand is something you end up doing naturally anyway so that you can race control and combo effectively. Top-decking this when you have one-card in hand and need to get rid of a pesky taunt or respond to a big tempo swing (board clear or lifegain) is perfect.
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2018-07-11, 12:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ben Brode only did rap songs for expansions without theme songs, so Journey to Un'goro and Knights of the Frozen Throne; he didn't do one for Kobolds and Catacombs or Witchwood.
Boomsday Project has a theme song, albeit not much of one. It's just a chorus.
<sentence that's broken into two parts, with the last words rhyming> "when you work with Doctor Boom!"
I can definitely see this fitting in a similar spot in Aggro Rogue as Aluneth does in Aggro Mage.Last edited by Joran; 2018-07-11 at 01:07 PM.
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2018-07-11, 01:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Speaking of Aggro, Hearthstone revealed a new card, and it looks like Mage might have an alternative for Aluneth in Stargazer Luna.
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2018-07-11, 01:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Stargazer Luna
Mage Legendary minion
3 mana 2/4
After you play the right-most card in your hand, draw a card.
¿Porque no los dos?
There are some Aggro Mage lists that have both Aluneth and Arcane Intellect; seems like it could slot in for an Arcane Intellect. Interesting mechanic; they're expanding design space even more.
I can see best case scenarios for Luna + Sorcerer's Apprentice and then just running through the deck (there's a bevy of 1-2 cost spells that Mage can run). 2/4 stat line means that it's going to be difficult to remove if the enemy doesn't have an early minion. Looks good for burn/Aggro mage.
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2018-07-11, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Indeed, and it's even better than Aluneth in many cases. Aluneth doesn't instantly fatigue you, but once you start, you begin fatiguing 4x per turn, killing you in no time. This card meanwhile, even though it does start fatigue instantly, it's only 1x per turn (and furthermore you can get that down to 0x with a Kingsbane if you want.)
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2018-07-11, 09:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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I already love this card for three reasons.
1) For the enemy, you suddenly have another layer of complexity added that they can play around or into. Does the tempo Mage have Luna? Which cards are where in his hand?
2) It buffs my favorite archetype.
3) The Yu-Gi-Oh memes are real. Heart of the cards, don't fail me now!
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2018-07-12, 11:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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So this brawl taught me an interesting unexpected card interaction. If Shifter Zerus transforms into one of the Witchwood stat-swap minions (Spellshifter, Gilnean Royal Guard, etc.) - the swapped stats become permanent even after Zerus turns into something else. I had a Zerus-into-Spellshifter who swapped from 1/4 to 4/1, then every other monster he turned into for the rest of the game had its native stats overridden to 4/1.
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2018-07-13, 05:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, the reveal video was incredibly cringe-worthy, but the shown cards look nice.
I assume "magnetic" means, if you have a mech you HAVE to cast it as a buff, you don't get to choose. In that case it risks being pretty bad, because in my experience there are many cases where I'd prefer having two separate dudes.
Anyways, cards look cool.
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2018-07-13, 05:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-07-13, 10:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-07-13, 11:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm surprised they didn't borrow the Choose 1 feature. I can see situations where I'll want to play a minion as a minion to play around something (small minion to play around Crushing Walls) and getting it magnetized to a minion.
Although, flavor-wise, playing with magnets, they do sometimes stick in ways I didn't anticipate and that "SNAP" feeling is always great.
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2018-07-13, 11:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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NOW COMPLETE: Let's Play Starcraft II Trilogy:
Hell, It's About Time: Wings of Liberty
Does This Mutation Make Me Look Fat: Heart of the Swarm
My Life For Aiur? I Barely Know 'Er: Legacy of the Void
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2018-07-13, 12:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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More likely, they simply didn't want to make a druid-specific mechanic universal.
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2018-07-13, 06:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-07-13, 06:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've played Hearthstone on every device that supports it.
When I initially played Hearthstone, it was on my iPad 2. Then I swapped to PC when the iPad got too slow. Now, I play about 50-50 PC/Android phone now.
I like the PC interface the best, but it's still a nice experience on the phone once you get used to it.
At some point, I should probably download a deck tracker.
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2018-07-14, 11:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-07-15, 12:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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It definitely puts Hearthstone to shame in the UI department, among other things.
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2018-07-16, 06:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-07-16, 08:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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BDP feels weird in that regard that it actually buffs wild more than standard as there are many MANY more mechs in that format. Anyone thinks there will be a new focus on wild with the changed team?
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2018-07-16, 09:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Wild gets massively buffed with every expansion as the new cards mix with the old ones in completely broken combos, it's not a new situation.
The only difference is that mechs already existed in the past, so the new generation of mechs will have more combos with the old one.