Erfworld 77, page 71

[derfy]

In retrospect, shoulda seen it coming.

[Albonor]

They had the movement to get there?

[Stijl]

Even though I got my thread in first, this one got a response first so I'll concede and remove mine so there is only one.

Hooray, new Erfworld.

Oh noes, bad news.

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So... Ansom and Vinnie joined the attack with no support other than themselves (and their bonuses)

[Centurin]

Well, the shot of Vinnie was pretty cool. And Parson overriding Wanda was cool. But, I just can't visualize where this comic is going if Parson's side loses (which seems likely).

[rosebud]

I'm curious if there was any option between "croak" and "capture". Does a leadership bonus still exist if the warlord is unconscious?

It is interesting to see Wanda plead. There is a soft spot there, after all.

[SteveMB]

In retrospect, shoulda seen it coming.

Ha! Toldya.

They had the movement to get there?

Yep. They had the movement to return to the column (Vinny's Option 1). The column is three hexes from Ansom's (previous) position in the middle of the dwagon donut. The wounded dwagons over the lake are also three hexes away from that position. QED.

[dakiwiboid]

Do Anson and Vinny have enough movement to go on? Am I reading "flying leap for the other side" correctly to imply that they do? If that's the case, it looks really bad for Parson et al., at least in the air.

[derfy]

I'm curious if there was any option between "croak" and "capture". Does a leadership bonus still exist if the warlord is unconscious?

I kinda doubt it. A leadership bonus, to me, means being there for boosting morale, shouting orders and generally assuring the fighters that things are ok.

[Raiser Blade]

Awesome comic as usual.

[Ultimatum479]

*sigh* And earlier this morning the planet seemed to be going so well.

[ag30476]

Wanda loves Jillian?

Manpower buys it before Lady Phat-Singh? Yeah I get the joke but Manpower was my favorite...doll. At least he had pie.

Things are looking grim for Team Evil and my predictions.
- Wanda lost control.
- Jillian has proven her worth.
- Ansom has shown that he can open and close the Arkenpliers.
- Vinnie is not just a pretty face.
- GK is 2 warlords and at least 6 wounded dwagons down. There was a 61% chance of annihilation at the start. Now?

Yes GK will continue after this loss but it's just not the same unless they can pull out a

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Stanley saves the day by making the Archons turn on Ansom!?!?

But otherwise it was a pretty good page.

[Ink]

I'm curious if there was any option between "croak" and "capture". Does a leadership bonus still exist if the warlord is unconscious?

It is interesting to see Wanda plead. There is a soft spot there, after all.

I laughed at the last panel. Vinny is a kung-fu master!

Was Wanda pleading? I must have missed something there.

[Lombard]

Reading this comic I feel about as 'bleh' as if in a real strategy game I had come up with a great plan, done everything right, the other guy does everything wrong, and he still wins due to game mechanics not working as advertised.

[duckie]

Parson's side seems over and done with!
With Ansom and Vinnie there, he's gonna loose the whole dragon group A and the last of the three uncroaked warlords. That means he'll most likely have to withdraw the B group back to GK. Half of Ansom's siege will still be around then, ready to take the walls.

Oh, and Wanda is gonna get a harsh time from his Toolship. Take that for granted.

[ag30476]

Was Wanda pleading? I must have missed something there.

She's the one who says "No" and then "Please"

[yoshi927]

Vinny, as usual, is awesome. Croaking a dwagon with a kick.

[Kilkomir]

Well, the shot of Vinnie was pretty cool. And Parson overriding Wanda was cool. But, I just can't visualize where this comic is going if Parson's side loses (which seems likely).

My thoughts exactly. Okay, so they got some siege units but they have now lost a lot of dwagons and that can't be good. I just can't see a win for Parson at the moment and the comic just don't make much sense to me right now. Of course an easy win for Parson this round would also be no fun, but where is the upside now?

Giving it a little more thought has given me this idea/solution:

*Possible spoiler/thinking out loud* Well if the three of them (Ansom, Vinnie and Jillian) have no more move after wiping out all the injured dwagons, then Parson has a chance to use all his other dwagons surrounding them next turn to fight them before the three leaders/warlords can move.*spoiler ended*

[ErikZ]

Yeah, looks like the game is over at this point. Without the warlords, Parson won't be able to attack the enemy stacks and then withdraw after destroying the siege equipment.

The only good I can see coming from this is if Ansom and buddies will be out of movement. Then the fresh dwagons in the trees can attack them and wipe out all of the top warlords in one fell swoop.

[SteveMB]

Wanda loves Jillian?

The more cynical "Wanda needs Jillian alive for some plan of hers" interpretation is open... but if that were it I'd have expected some attempt at offering an argument (or, more precisely, a rationalization) for taking Jillian alive rather than a simple plea of "Please."

- GK is 2 warlords and at least 6 wounded dwagons down. There was a 61% chance of annihilation at the start? Now?

Now, with Ansom and Vinny on the scene (capable combatants with leadership bonuses), I'd say Team Stanley's chance of victory is somewhere in single digits.

(Oh, and that's at least 7 dwagons down -- three taken out by the Archons, one whose head became gwiffon chow, one croaked by Jillian's headshot, one booted to the head by Vinny, and Manpower's mount (its eyes are X-d in the next-to-last frame; evidently Ansom or Jillian got enough hitsies in).)

Was Wanda pleading? I must have missed something there.

See above.

[ag30476]

Giving it a little more thought has given me this idea/solution:

*Possible spoiler/thinking out loud* Well if the three of them (Ansom, Vinnie and Jillian) have no more move after wiping out all the injured dwagons, then Parson has a chance to use all his other dwagons surrounding them next turn to fight them before the three leaders/warlords can move.*spoiler ended*

Possible but in-story then either Stanley looses almost all of his dwagons or the coalition losses its top 3 main characters or both. The dwagons can't just attack and withdraw without a warlors. OK so maybe they send a new one...Parson!?!? Eh, don't like.

[ag30476]

Do Anson and Vinny have enough movement to go on? Am I reading "flying leap for the other side" correctly to imply that they do? If that's the case, it looks really bad for Parson et al., at least in the air.

The only good I can see coming from this is if Ansom and buddies will be out of movement. Then the fresh dwagons in the trees can attack them and wipe out all of the top warlords in one fell swoop.

The gwiffons and the Archons had enough move left to make it all the way to Ansom before the fighting began.

If they survive, the good guys may be able to make it back to the hex with the forest units, Taru, the woodsy elves and the gumps, which would make any stand that much stronger.

[Ink]

She's the one who says "No" and then "Please"

Oh, I see. Funny, I read that totally differently the first time. "No" as disbelief that the spell didn't work, and "Please" as in "Please do" or "Go ahead", a cold, hard reaction that we'd expect from Wanda. I guess you're right though.

By the way, does anyone else find it funny that the dwagon has incisors?

[Caledonian]

I don't think Ansom can reach the column with his remaining move - and his forest-capable units are now abandoned in a ring of dragons, without his leadership bonus.

It's not done yet for Team Evil - they may have lost the battle, but the war is far from over.

[ag30476]

By the way, does anyone else find it funny that the dwagon has incisors?

That's just accidental.

[Chocowatte]

Sing along! "Everybody was Kung-Fu Fighting!...."

I sooo want to see more Vinnie-moves. Now only if I could superimpose him over Ryu with serious spinning kick action...

I'm very curious how much real damage the now supercharged stack will take... or how love will flourish? (lose one close leather-clad love... gain one mini-Elvis?)

Good stuff. Good good stuff.

Sincerely, Chocowatte.

[PyritePyro]

All I have to say is awesome. Well, at least until someone else says something that I can reply to.

[Fenix]

That was booping cool.
poor Mnpwr

[ag30476]

I don't think Ansom can reach the column with his remaining move - and his forest-capable units are now abandoned in a ring of dragons, without his leadership bonus.

It's not done yet for Team Evil - they may have lost the battle, but the war is far from over.

*Ahem* As I said, the gwiffons and the Archons had enough move left to make it all the way to Ansom before the fighting began. So if at least three gwiffons survive then Ansom, Jillian and Vinny can get away.

Of course, they could choose to disengage at such a point.

And, we only know that the forest units had no move left. We know that Vinny and Ansom had at least 3 move left but they could have had more.

And that's without speculating what the Archon can do...for a fee.

And if Ansom and Jillian and Vinny remain seperated from the forest capable units then Parson would be better of attacking the 3 warlords then the forest capable units with the healthy dwagons next turn. The forest units will take out some dwagons before a dwagon victory and the loss of the forest units is strategically unimportant at this point to Ansom. The loss of even more dwagons is very, very bad for Stanley.

By attacking the 3 warlords he could disrupt the coalition leadership, Ansom's coalition leading ability has been emphasized. Or he could capture the Arkenplier, that's what Stanley cares about really. Or he could take out Jillian, who can croak small armies with chopsticks when she puts aside her fetishes. Or he could croak Vinnie. Never underestimate the value of the sidekick.

But more important, storywise, these choices don't make much sense. The coalition siege continues. GK's resistance continues. But we loose Ansom, Jillian and Vinnie?

[Solharath]

I don't care for the plot point. The punchline was awesome.

[jjpickar]

Yeah! Christmas is here! Boop! All I got was another boop.