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I didn't expect that at all. I like this comic, it keeps moving Parson in worse and worse positions.
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DID see it coming. Remember? I specifically said that a message like that to Ansom was sure to bring him running.
Okay, so Ansom and Jillian are having a happy moment, while Vinnie is picking dragon body parts and things don't like they could be worse for team Tool.
And it'll be a week before we see any movement on that.
Bored now.
It seems obvious that it's time to write off the contents of that hex.
Interesting ... Wanda is still wanting to save Jillian's life. That speaks to some definite feelings on her part.
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Re: Erfworld 77, page 71
I think people are forgetting that Parson's plan worked perfectly, putting Ansom in a position where he had to sacrifice his elves, himself or his siege. Parson's only mistake was trusting Wanda. But, at that point, Wanda had shown herself to be the most capable, if not the most powerful, ally he had. He played the situation perfectly, Wanda booped it up.
'Old fool!' he said. 'Old fool! This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it? Die now and curse in vain!' And with that he lifted high his sword and flames ran down the blade.
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I have to post for the first time to say -- I'm with you, Girl Wonder. I don't want Jillian or Ansom or Vinnie to get croaked. I like them all. They're so complicated.
That said, I like Parson (and Sizemore and Misty), too. I like Wanda, but partly because she's so good at being bad. And partly because I think she's not exactly what she seems.
I like disliking Stanley.
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What. The. Hell.
parson had a TINY bit of hope that /some/ of his dwagons could survive the battle, and the author pops ansom and vinny over to save her!!!
CHANGE THE NAME OF THE COMIC, THIS IS NOT BATTLE FOR GOBWIN KNOB, ITS BATTLE AGAINST GOBWIN KNOB. BECAUSE ITS OBVIOUS THEY ARE NOT GOING TO WIN.
only way for victory is a king sized deus ex with a side dish of hacksLast edited by galdon; 2007-09-13 at 09:21 AM.
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Ok, I didn't go through all the comments to see if this point has been made: Stanley's turn will start w/ Ansom and Jillian in the same hex. Jillian will be healed, and Ansom won't.
Will Ansom reject her as a traiter then? Or will Jillian have to bolt quickly to prevent Ansom (I keep wanting to type "Ansome") from finding this out. She's got move left after this battle, but he doesn't.
The sensible thing, of course, is staying in the group, knowing the remaining dwagons are leaderless (after dusting Phatty), and let the column handle undirected attackes while preventing your high value targets from being swamped. But this wrinkle makes me wonder if Jillian will break off, creating another target for the B-squad dwagons next turn.
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Darn it. She survived. Well, there's still hope she'll get croaked in the next strip or two.
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Bullboop! She healed at dawn because it was the realization that she was on Stanley's "side". It broke her emotionally.
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Hmm losing interest in the comic.
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Uh, no. Parson was not relying on Wanda's spell at all - it's unclear he even knew about it when he formulated his plan. He was relying on luck that they wouldn't find his dwagons over the lake. They both failed Stanley, unless you consider losing all the Class A dwagons & a handful of Class B dwagons fair exchange for most of Ansom's siege.
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I'm going by Rob's response when someone listed it as a possible blooper:
We know that she shifted back to an Ansom-unit schedule after being released (unless you think that Webinar would have not noticed, or seen anything suspicious about, her having rations pop at dawn). That's consistent with it being a result of being held captive (she was no longer a prisoner, so she shifted back to her own side's schedule), but not consistent with it being a result of having been converted to Stanley's side (she was still under Wanda's spell).
He definitely did know that Wanda had some sort of control; she explained that (except for the parts that were just too "complex" to go into) during the planning session for the aborted ambush scheme. Parson later references the issue in his Klog:
Dwagons ready to strike, but we probably lost our chance and gave up the prisoner.
She better be a good mole so we can win the big battle, then.Last edited by SteveMB; 2007-09-13 at 10:18 AM.
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I agree, with one minor modification - your last sentence should've read: 'Ansom looks even more likely to win.' Shame that the summoning spell probably didn't come with a receipt...
I disagreee with what Karellen writes in the first paragraph, but completely agree with everything thereafter.
Parson using two of his only advantages (the lookamancer setup and the dwagons) in concert with an exploitation of the game mechanics to reduce the odds against Gobwin Knob seemed pretty interesting to me. I was also fine with the risky but rewarding scenario the raid on the siege represented, because at 25/1 against it's difficult to even the odds simply by playing it safe.
I started to lose interest when Parson's plan ended up hinging on the strength of Wanda's hold on Jillian, as it reduced his credibility as the 'perfect warlord', but as that development added a certain amount of tension I ran with it. Now that the dwagons and warlords are on their way out I've more or less completely lost interest. I'll be very impressed if the authors manage to rekindle that interest, for all the reasons that Karellen mentions.
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That's one of the things in the full package that costs an extra 150k shmuckers.
Parson using two of his only advantages (the lookamancer setup and the dwagons) in concert with an exploitation of the game mechanics to reduce the odds against Gobwin Knob seemed pretty interesting to me. I was also fine with the risky but rewarding scenario the raid on the siege represented, because at 25/1 against it's difficult to even the odds simply by playing it safe.
I started to lose interest when Parson's plan ended up hinging on the strength of Wanda's hold on Jillian, as it reduced his credibility as the 'perfect warlord', but as that development added a certain amount of tension I ran with it. Now that the dwagons and warlords are on their way out I've more or less completely lost interest. I'll be very impressed if the authors manage to rekindle that interest, for all the reasons that Karellen mentions.
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I see a lot of assumptions being bandied about in this thread...
Like the assumption that Wanda's spell on Jillian has been broken...
*wry grin* When I look at plots nowadays I look at them in a rather Whedonesque fashion.
A possibility that I haven't seen anyone else suggest that I can foresee following the last panel where Jillian and Ansom are almost close enough to kiss...
A bloodied dagger to the midsection during a kiss and snatching the pliers away from Ansom. His guard will be totally down.
Ansom would be wounded and left alive with a maelstrom of emotions that will hinder his strategic and tactical planning.
Will this be what happens? Maybe not, but just wanted to point out that nothing that I've read people write about what has to happen next is established until the next comic is actually posted.
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Not really... Look at it like chess... The A-dwagons are queens, while the B-dwagons are rooks/bishops. Parson might have lost his most powerful weapon, but he's not unarmed. My question is whether or not he can pull his B-dwagons back to Gobwin Knob without a Warlord.
Right now he's down two warlords, Manpower and Leroy. He still has Lady Phat Singh out in the field (who might be in a world of hurt in a page or two), plus Ensign Toast and Archduke Ferdinand back at GK. He also has a strong defensive position, a good number of expendable troops, and a real-time/no fog-of-war battle table. The B-dwagons may turn out to be the key pieces in future battles.
Anyone who played Starcraft or saw 300 knows how much damage a few determined troops at a key choke point can cause.
So far, the Coalition warlords have been the only ones to show any "powers," but that doesn't mean that the uncroaked Warlords can't do something. Parson is still learning the "special tricks" of his pieces, and is learning fast. However many moves Team Ansom has left, it's probably not enough to get back and croak the remaining B-dwagons.Thanks to Ceika (X2), Yeril, Holammer and Dr. Bath for the Avatars!
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I loved Manpower in the 4th panel. Very piraty.
What's weird to me is how did Jillian's sword shrink so much in panel 4? It looked dagger sized. Also, what is keeping Jillian up in the air after the dwagon was croaked in the 7th and 8th panels?fool'd you wid' Logic!
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We know that Stanley could send dwagons on a mission (capture Jillian) without a warlord. Recalling them should be trivial. (If Ansom, Vinny, and Jillian lose the gwiffons and Archons and thereby end up stuck over the lake, that gives the B-dwagons an obvious target next turn....)
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I dont see the point anymore really.. ansom is going to keep beating parson on every turn, everything is going his way, literally the only thing that can save gobwin knob is a dues ex.
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Can't say I enjoyed this one, and it bodes ill for the future.
Ansom "to the rescue" during Jillian's engagement is a major break in the TBS backdrop of the story. Whatever the explanation the authors concoct for it, it has messed with one of the basic ground rules of the whole setting. I dislike it very much.
And we want to see Parson win or lose, but not be constantly screwed by things he (and we) didn't know about.
This latest arc has dropped my evaluation of the storyline quite a few notches. Of course it was very high to begin with, so we'll see where it goes from here...
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when you are at a 25 to 1 disadvantage cheep expendable troops are absolutelly worthless. he's lost around half his only powerful unit, and his third warlord has no hope of surviving.
he's down to 50%(ish) dwagons and 2 out of 5 generals
ansom lost 40% siege, not nearly enough to force them to have to take the tunnels, and none of his generals are dead.
overall, the battle is getting very pathetic. ansom's forces got into a pinch or two but came out unhindered, and now parson's running out of ammo but is still in exactly the same situation as he was when he started.
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I don't know about that one... Might be throwing good money (er... smuckers) after bad...
The siege engines are Ansom's most dangerous weapons against GK. The dwagons control the airspace, and the gobwins, skeletons, twolls, etc... control the tunnels. Battering down the walls would put the fight back on Ansom's terms. The force of numbers alone would crush Stanley once Ansom breeches the walls.
Parson is trying to buy himself some breathing room to set up raiding parties to whittle down Ansom's forces, and to do that he needs the walls up and safe. As long as he has enough dwagons to keep Jillian, Ansom, Vinny and the Archons from bombarding the city from above, Parson owns a meat-grinder, and Ansom owns meat. And Ansom isn't willing to expend troops so cheaply.Thanks to Ceika (X2), Yeril, Holammer and Dr. Bath for the Avatars!
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What I would like is if Jillian, having no living peep or dwagon to hang on to, falls into the lake and drowns.
It ain't deux ex machina, it's gravity!Last edited by lavidor10; 2007-09-13 at 10:34 AM.
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