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2019-11-14, 11:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
I think Elli has written herself into a situation where ANY emotions exist against a backdrop of merciless, unremitting fukced-up evil. At this point in the story, she can't just ignore the existing dystopia...so while I really do want to see Kin and Minmax help each other back from the edge, I know that it will be one flickering ember of hope against a gale-force sħitstorm of horrors.
If Elli were beginning this story today it might be a different world, but she's clearly determined to finish the story she started. I hope it'll be a happy ending, but the path to that ending will be lined with nightmares.
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2019-11-15, 12:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
at least we‘ll be happy it ended
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2019-11-15, 05:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
I always find comments about dark stories meaning the author must in a bad place mentally weird. Plenty happy people have written dark stuff. Tending towards gore or morbidity doesn't require some kind of inner darkness. (Also I still think goblin isn't particularly dark. It has always stayed a fairly normal adventure story that is a bit more brutal towards its MCs. Bad things happen but it doesn't dwell on them and much of the darkest stuff is off screen.)
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2019-11-15, 06:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
I disagree that anyone who spends such a significant portion of their life drawing gore, or creating characters just to mutilate them is going to end up in a good place mentally. This stuff is depressing just to read. Imagine spending 50 hours per page drawing it.
On top of that, we already know that Elli has numerous self admitted issues. I genuinely doubt that drawing Goblins is good for her mental health...except that it's her source of income, and I'm sure losing it would be even worse.
Her mental state is constantly up and down. I'm basing that on her own words in the past, not a personal attempt to psychoanalyze a stranger. I sincerely hope that she's worked out her issues and will remain happy this time.Last edited by Anteros; 2019-11-15 at 06:37 AM.
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2019-11-15, 08:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
The confusing part if that he says "Maxo is gone". He's Maxo, Minmax. He's not actually gone, he's right here, saying that he's gone. Kickaxo is gone (well, Minmax thinks he's gone anyway). So that's what I think is confusing. He's declaring himself dead.
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2019-11-15, 10:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-11-15, 11:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
My problem with this, as with the last few depressing pages, is not with the concept but with the execution. Thirteen panels of him processing something that happened. Could have been condensed to 3 or 4. He could be continuing onward and saying some of this to himself. He could be passing by some corpses of someone who died in a horrible way and remarking to himself that all he has around him is death. We could have cut slightly ahead to him finding Kin or someone and being asked if he's alone to which he could say in a teary eyed way that everyone who was with him died.
I don't mind depressing story beats. I don't mind depressed characters. But I do feel like the pacing falls apart when you stop the story so that you can zoom in on a characters face for 13 panels to let me know he's sad.
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2019-11-15, 11:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
i wouldn't say 13 panels of him processing this / being sad. the page is clearly split up into three parts.
First row is him being worried, waiting for Parchment to return with news.
Second row is him accepting that Parchment didn't find anything and that the goblins are gone.
Third row is him being sad / processing it all as this adds onto the recent trauma with Forgath.
This is hardly anything new either. Taking multiple panels to show every step of something is an old staple of the comic. Such as three panels to reload a crossbow An entire page to show it's a long way down and five panels on reloading a crossbow
Slowing down to look closely at something is just what the comic does, this is nothing new.Avy by Thormag
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2019-11-15, 12:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
Yup, the page should have ended introducing the next happening, be it MM getting up, or hearing a sound, or paperagon flying away after something.
EDIT: concerning the grim tone of Goblins, I think it's deliberately made like that, and that it doesn't have anything to do with the author's mental health. Sometimes it works, sometimes it really doesn't; you can see the difference between a terrible and very close fight by the hunted and the slaves against the hunters and the slavers (it works) vs the attempt to represent some kind of background all-encompassing evil that feels like someone is trying too hard and looks like an inflatable version of itself (it doesn't work). A few examples of the not-working version: the curse of death and sex; Kin's comment about Evil being winning (which per se isn't too bad, but sinks because of the other parts); and Kore's internal Hyperbolic Torture Time Chamber.Last edited by Vinyadan; 2019-11-15 at 12:32 PM.
Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien, 1955
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2019-11-18, 07:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
This page spends time characterizing not only Minmax, but also the paper dragon. I'm fine with that.
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2019-11-28, 06:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerI can't say I enjoyed it. Kin's unjustified enthusiasm for MM's mental faculties immediately gave away what gag it was going for. There also is a huge disconnect between this and the previous page.Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien, 1955
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2019-11-28, 07:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
I'm neutral to him just showing up. I would have liked one or two transition panels myself, but I'm sure I would have disliked a whole page of "Minmax walks through a changing dungeon while talking to himself/the paper dragon" and both of those were equally likely given how this is story tends to be written.
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2019-11-28, 07:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
SpoilerNot quite unwarranted I think, she thought it was an super easy puzzle and he realized how to solve it without any trouble. The part he failed at is so stupid that I am unsure whether I should be annoyed or just roll with the hyperbolic joke.
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2019-11-28, 08:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
SpoilerI think there's some chance this ends up actually being the correct thinking to do and he is rewarded for it
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2019-11-28, 09:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-11-28, 10:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
If they werent meant to be detached he wouldnt have so easily removed them. Also, he forgot to try peeing on it first.
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2019-11-28, 02:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
This level of stupidity seems unnecessary, even from Minmax.
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2019-11-28, 03:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
well i mean, this is the same who who said "back and fourth, like a pen that cums" or thinking "Theraputic" is pronounced "Sera puked it."
it's been pretty well-established by now that Minmax is in no way smart. This should under no circumstances be a surprise.Avy by Thormag
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2019-11-28, 04:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
Does anyone here actually like this strip?
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2019-11-28, 04:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
i do. can't think of anything negative to say about it at least.
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2019-11-28, 04:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
I think this is another situation where Minmax's player failed an intelligence check. It's not the funniest example in the comic, but it might pay off on the next page. One thing I'm thinking is...
Spoilerthe creepy statues might be supposed to come alive and attack when the colors are matched. Granted, I don't know how beheading them beforehand turns that into an interesting situation, but I see some partial options...The Hindsight Awards, results: See the best movies of 1999!
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2019-11-28, 07:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
Some people see fail, where I would see a partial success. That, or copious ammounts of persistance.
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2019-11-28, 08:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
Hark! An avatar drawn by Kate Beaton!
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2019-11-29, 12:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
Thanks to Linklele for my new avatar!
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2019-11-29, 01:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
I've always liked it, and still do. I think it's delightfully, if slightly heavy-handedly, dark. I'm sorta iffy on the mutilations, but otherwise, I feel this may be the best webcomic out there. And that's saying something, because I'm picky on the art, and it's far from the best drawn comic available. Well, nor is it the worst, I guess.
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2019-11-29, 03:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
Do you mean this page, or the comic in general?
For the latter, I like it in all the wrong ways.
It's captivating and it makes me feel a lot of things. Mostly frustration or mockery (not the intended sadness or laughter), but those are valid feelings too. What captivates me most is how good it could be. Elli obviously has plenty of drawing skill, but she uses it on micromanaging blood splatter instead of of making feet not look like potato sacks. Similarly, she's obviously well-aware of the importance of emotions, but throws it in my face like emotions are confetti.
I think the comic could be very good in all the right ways, but it always takes a turn into very bad whenever I least expect it. And that is very interesting.
So, yeah. I hate this comic, but I'm excited about every new page, it makes me think, and it makes me feel things - which I think is enough to make me a fan. Can you be a hate-fan of things?
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2019-11-29, 06:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-11-29, 07:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
I like the 3 plot premises, but I don't always like how it is handled, but that is how I feel about most things.
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2019-11-29, 08:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
I like the concept and enjoy some of the characters. Big Ears is one of the most compelling Paladin characters I've seen so far. I also like the general group dynamic, both in the GAP and with Minmax and Forgath.
I, too, could do with less mutilation.
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2019-11-29, 09:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins XVII: The shocking end of the story arc
I like the comic in general but feel like the progression of it has been really weird. The art has grown immensely but at a serious detriment to anything regarding productivity. And it's only really the art that's improved. I feel like the story telling has always had pacing issues and a strange disconnected way of expositing information. Combine that with the disjointed 'arcs' that just sort of wind up shoved together and the whole thing feels really weird at times - especially considering the fact that it's all occurred within a relatively short period of time. It also feels really repetitive at times with this cycle of mutilation, dungeon crawl, split the party, regroup, repeat. Or something along those lines - it all just blurs together and I feel like the story has consisted of Brassmoon city and one massive dungeon.
That all being said I like the characters and the story. I think there have been problems but most of those problems are with pacing or unnecessary melodrama. The dungeons and concepts are clever even if it's almost always over explained, under explained, or dragged out.
As far as this particular page goes I enjoyed it but think it could have been combined with the previous page for better effect. He could have been lamenting everyone dying while 'solving' the puzzle and wound up having his moment with the familiar then after he fails and realizes that everyone he knows dies and he can't even solve a simple puzzle on his own.