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    Also, Goblins story is already written. The plotting was over once the comic switched to colour.
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    Also, Goblins story is already written. The plotting was over once the comic switched to colour.
    which is a shame as there is hardly a learning curve to the storytelling.
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    i'm sure some small things have changed / could change as time goes on. For example if we assume that Fumbles needs to escape the terrors of McScaryville and the original story was written so that he leaps over a fence and falls on top of Minmax, but then it's decided that it would be more interesting if Fumbles found an armory and proceeded to kickasso his way through McScaryVille and to freedom. likely breaking all but one piece of equipment on the way out.

    same point A and B, but different path to get there. Not sure if that has happened or will happen, but i could see it.
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    Iirc, Ears was supposed to die at the war camp. But I can't find where I read that, years ago.
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    Iirc, Ears was supposed to die at the war camp. But I can't find where I read that, years ago.
    think that was super-early on though. Considering how much of the story revolves around the Axe, i think it was one of the earliest changes.
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    Not sure what the point of this "twist" is, but ok.
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    Not sure what the point of this "twist" is, but oh well.
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    Cementing cursed bunny girl as Forgath's love interest?
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    ...so we built a five millionth, three hundreth, twenty first one. That one burned down, fell over, then got eaten by the snarl, but the five millionth, three hundreth, and twenty second one stayed up! Or at least, it has been until now."

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    Not sure what the point of this "twist" is, but ok.
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    Cementing cursed bunny girl as Forgath's love interest?
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    Because inter-racial lover interests would be completely unheard of in this storyline?

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    Oh wait, it's because Forgath's prophecy involves being killed by another dwarf. Obviously not this poisoning because of the lack of screaming, but obviously we are now meant to speculate it might be her.
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    Been some time since I've quit reading this, been thinking of getting back to it. Is the story really coming to an end, as the title implies?

    Last time I've read it, I remember Chief has been dead already, but not much beyond that. Can anybody gI've me an objective, spoiler free opinion... Is it still good? It's been going for a long time now... has the comic jumped a shark already? Or are we still waiting for that to happen?
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    If there was a shark to be jumped, I think it was with how dialogues are made, since there have been a few times in which they felt rushed (today too). Otherwise, everything as usual, if you ask me.
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    Honestly if nothing made you leave the comic since Chief died, there's nothing that would make you leave it now.

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    Oh wait, it's because Forgath's prophecy involves being killed by another dwarf. Obviously not this poisoning because of the lack of screaming, but obviously we are now meant to speculate it might be her.
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    Well he isn't dead yet, and being poisoned sucks. Maybe its a painful poison. Alternatively, wasn't he screaming at that Klik during the fight?
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    I find the twist kinda stupid. It may very well be the whole killed by a dwarf part as a sort of "Haha! You thought the prophecy meant kore, but it really meant THIS!" sort of thing. I can see the process to bring him back involving lots of screaming as well for example.
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    It might be that Bunny and DimMax start screaming at each other, while Forgath attempts to agonize.
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    Been some time since I've quit reading this, been thinking of getting back to it. Is the story really coming to an end, as the title implies?

    Last time I've read it, I remember Chief has been dead already, but not much beyond that. Can anybody gI've me an objective, spoiler free opinion... Is it still good? It's been going for a long time now... has the comic jumped a shark already? Or are we still waiting for that to happen?
    the comic as a whole isn't coming to an end. the title is in reference to something Thunt said when the current arc began. That we would be sticking around with Forgath and co until that story arc's "shocking conclusion".

    Doubt the current page is said "shocking conclusion"
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    What in the world is this pacing? In three strips we had "Thunt's homebrew race has whatever powers he wants them to, including reviving themselves at will," "I am suddenly dying, trust me, I feel it despite showing no physical traits," "I am not an Elf, I am a Dwarf, your family is my rival. The readers of the comic had no way of knowing this information."

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    What in the world is this pacing? In three strips we had "Thunt's homebrew race has whatever powers he wants them to, including reviving themselves at will,"
    Well to be fair, it is HIS homebrew race :P We've seen them do some pretty intensive things when it comes to healing too, replacing limbs, copying souls, etc. So it's not too out there i don't think.


    "I am suddenly dying, trust me, I feel it despite showing no physical traits,"
    There actually are some if you look carefully.

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    Pretty much every panel; Bubbles grow larger and more abundant, bubbles appear on both shoulders, forehead, by 4th-last panel he's just covered in those small bubbles everywhere.


    "I am not an Elf, I am a Dwarf, your family is my rival. The readers of the comic had no way of knowing this information."
    Did think the green spots on his rock-hand may have been appearing / growing as well, but i think that's just the "blood" from the warped klik.

    Yeah... i'll give you that. Not sure what the point of that was, other then maybe an excuse to give him the poison flower. feel like it's not supposed to be a HUGE twist though, definitely not "there have been billions of worlds" level at least.

    Will say those last two panels look kind of awkward. not horrible though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordokai View Post
    Been some time since I've quit reading this, been thinking of getting back to it. Is the story really coming to an end, as the title implies?

    Last time I've read it, I remember Chief has been dead already, but not much beyond that. Can anybody gI've me an objective, spoiler free opinion... Is it still good? It's been going for a long time now... has the comic jumped a shark already? Or are we still waiting for that to happen?
    If you quit shorty after Chief's death, you missed some of the best parts of the story; the Well of Forever arc around Dies Horribly and the Maze of Many storyline are among the best and most concise parts of the story. After those, however, the quality of the story has plummeted sharply; it is now an incoherent mess lacking pacing and direction, with loads of contrivances shoehorning plot points in.

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    Well to be fair, it is HIS homebrew race :P We've seen them do some pretty intensive things when it comes to healing too, replacing limbs, copying souls, etc. So it's not too out there i don't think.
    The problem is not so much that it is a homebrew race. Rather, traits and abilities for the race get revealed repeatedly after those traits have had an effect on the story, thus making it feel like they get invented to justify what is happening on that page. None of the things Kliks do would be a problem if it had been established well beforehand. But bringing these powers up right as they are needed is. It turns them into a deus ex machina race which is used to enable sudden plot twists that wouldn't be possible otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgaln View Post
    It turns them into a deus ex machina race which is used to enable sudden plot twists that wouldn't be possible otherwise.
    like when original klik gave DH his Junjor arm way back...
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    Yeah... i'll give you that. Not sure what the point of that was, other then maybe an excuse to give him the poison flower.
    There was no reason to introduce a poisonous-only-to-dwarves for that. Besides, D&D dwarves are supposed to be greatly resistant to poison, which makes chinroot even more gimmicky.

    If the purpose was "actually, Idle is the dwarf of the prophecy" then she didn't need to kill him with poison. She's got experience practicing gruesome suicide, she should have been hardened enough to offer an "I'll make this quick and painless" way out.

    Speaking of "toxic-only-to-the-poison-resistant-race", are we going to get another dumb twist where the flower doesn't work on Forgath since he's now considered to be a klick?
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    Even better worst, the poison kills his dwarf side but leaves his klick side so he becomes something yet completely new with even newer powers to pull off his behind.
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    ...so we built a five millionth, three hundreth, twenty first one. That one burned down, fell over, then got eaten by the snarl, but the five millionth, three hundreth, and twenty second one stayed up! Or at least, it has been until now."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gez View Post
    There was no reason to introduce a poisonous-only-to-dwarves for that. Besides, D&D dwarves are supposed to be greatly resistant to poison, which makes chinroot even more gimmicky.

    If the purpose was "actually, Idle is the dwarf of the prophecy" then she didn't need to kill him with poison. She's got experience practicing gruesome suicide, she should have been hardened enough to offer an "I'll make this quick and painless" way out.

    Speaking of "toxic-only-to-the-poison-resistant-race", are we going to get another dumb twist where the flower doesn't work on Forgath since he's now considered to be a klick?
    If the prophecy requires him to die at the hands of another dwarf then we'd know for certain that the resurrection would work out fine?

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    If the prophecy requires him to die at the hands of another dwarf then we'd know for certain that the resurrection would work out fine?
    If we're going to be meta about it, there's not much reason to introduce the resurrection mechanic if it's not going to work.

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    If the prophecy requires him to die at the hands of another dwarf then we'd know for certain that the resurrection would work out fine?
    Yeah, but so would we if she'd said she was a dwarf from the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anteros View Post
    If we're going to be meta about it, there's not much reason to introduce the resurrection mechanic if it's not going to work.
    True, but there's a lot of space between 'work,' and 'work out fine,' so Forgath could always come-back-wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anteros View Post
    If we're going to be meta about it, there's not much reason to introduce the resurrection mechanic if it's not going to work.
    Sure there is - it's setting up reviving the first metal Klik that got killed by Junior.

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    If this was really how Forgath's story ends then there would be no narrative reason for him to not just be killed by Kore on the bridge. It shouldn't be that hard to introduce the Klik resurrection method in a different way. I also have a hard time believing Bowst, Idle, and/or Ward will have an impact on the larger story and an even harder time believing they would do so without Forgath leading them to the larger story (which means he would have to live long enough to do so if Thunt wanted any of them to be important.)
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    wasn’t Dies klick gone with the wind?
    I mean: turned to dust and blown away.
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    wasn’t Dies klick gone with the wind?
    I mean: turned to dust and blown away.
    According to this it doesnt take much to make it happen. If Dies saved so much as a handful as a sort of memorial then they could probably get it done back at the klik gathering area easily enough. Im not saying it will happen, im just saying that its possible.
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