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    There is no "too far" when it's kobolds.
    Hear, hear! The more stuff we can do with them, the better. Tiny lizard people are an upgrade when compared to gnomes.
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    Elves are, in fact, made from goblin souls by the moon. Two of the moons, sorry. At first glance, it's hard to believe that they are even remotely related to goblins. But upon closer examination, they're too pale, too thin, and dang, look at those ears. Because they are made from goblinstuff, they can interbreed with other goblinkin such as goblins, orcs, and kobolds. Yes, there are half-elf-half-kobolds.

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    Goblins:

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    This originates from a setting I worked on where the Marru and Marruspawn from 3.5 were a major part of the setting.

    The Polymorph Principle is that any two species of similar CRs can breed by being polymorphed into the same species and then coupling. Wizards now and in the old days before the Interdiction bred various monsters this way as experiments, but rarely do these new creations have the ability to procreate themselves.

    The actual breeding is simple: The male of the smaller creature is transformed into a male of the larger (the female must stay the original if the embryo is to be viable.) Then they are mind controlled or otherwise induced to breed.

    Nearly all unnatural beings originate in these experiments, for instance:
    Horse + Swan=Pegasus
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    The basic combination of two creatures is the supernatural abilities, senses and movement of the smaller creature and combine it with the body of the larger. An Owlbear is perfectly nocturnal despite being a bear, and a Gryphon has the wings and eyes of an Eagle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuctTapeKatar View Post
    Hear, hear! The more stuff we can do with them, the better. Tiny lizard people are an upgrade when compared to gnomes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzlefoot View Post
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    Why use creatures as much overpowered as kobolds when we can instead use boxes full of animated axes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noob View Post
    Why use creatures as much overpowered as kobolds when we can instead use boxes full of animated axes?
    Because kobolds are adorable little scaly dog people and axes aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzlefoot View Post
    Because kobolds are adorable little scaly dog people and axes aren't.
    animated axes have the same result as kobolds but with less op spell flinging.
    and boxes full of animated axes can be disguised in adorable little scaly dog people.(provided the box have a similar size)
    And most kobolds are C sized so you must be really tall for finding them little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noob View Post
    And most kobolds are C sized so you must be really tall for finding them little.
    C is for Cookie.

    Kobolds just became even more attractive.

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    My eyes must be blind, because they can't see nothing good about kobolds.
    They are just as annoying as gnomes, if not more

    Is somebody around who uses them as something other than super cute things or things that automatically kills everything else?
    The combination of both doesn't count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xania View Post
    My eyes must be blind, because they can't see nothing good about kobolds.
    They are just as annoying as gnomes, if not more

    Is somebody around who uses them as something other than super cute things or things that automatically kills everything else?
    The combination of both doesn't count.
    They make great stand ins for slavery or child labor, they make good minions for bigger stronger things, and they are murderously cute. What more could you want from them?

    I mean they aren't one of the mysterious cool races, but there are dozens of those already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xania View Post
    My eyes must be blind, because they can't see nothing good about kobolds.
    They are just as annoying as gnomes, if not more

    Is somebody around who uses them as something other than super cute things or things that automatically kills everything else?
    The combination of both doesn't count.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvtyrant View Post
    They make great stand ins for slavery or child labor, they make good minions for bigger stronger things, and they are murderously cute. What more could you want from them?

    I mean they aren't one of the mysterious cool races, but there are dozens of those already.
    Oh? They look anything but cute to me O.O
    https://www.ancient-origins.net/site...ary-Kobold.jpg

    Not sure about all that, most of the time all it's found around is how silly hobgoblins tried to turn kobolds into submission and how kobolds killed every single of them because they are too cool for serve something other than dragons, who most of the time is nothing compared to it's servants, makes me wonder why the dragons are not the ones worshipping and slaved by the kobolds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xania View Post
    Oh? They look anything but cute to me O.O
    https://www.ancient-origins.net/site...ary-Kobold.jpg

    Not sure about all that, most of the time all it's found around is how silly hobgoblins tried to turn kobolds into submission and how kobolds killed every single of them because they are too cool for serve something other than dragons, who most of the time is nothing compared to it's servants, makes me wonder why the dragons are not the ones worshipping and slaved by the kobolds.
    We have a thread near the top of the sub-forum on alternate kobolds right now, you can take a look there.

    Also those kobolds don't even have candles on their heads!

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    Hmm. What if elves have long ears to distribute heat, like desert animals? So elves live in deserts, then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvtyrant View Post
    We have a thread near the top of the sub-forum on alternate kobolds right now, you can take a look there.

    Also those kobolds don't even have candles on their heads!

    Yeah, maybe that post shouldn't be here, sorry.

    It was also very exaggerated, just to clarify, they should be perfectlty capable of acomplish all those things sometimes, just not being invencible.

    No, no candles, i don't want to be on fire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xania View Post
    Yeah, maybe that post shouldn't be here, sorry.

    It was also very exaggerated, just to clarify, they should be perfectlty capable of acomplish all those things sometimes, just not being invencible.

    No, no candles, i don't want to be on fire
    If carrying candles on the head of your dnd character did give it the bash skill you would definitively reconsider it.
    Also it makes light in the tunnels kobolds roams.

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    Been thinking about Asimar for a setting recently, and I think they'd work as an ancient precursor race that originally was very close to the divine but at one point or another ran afoul of the gods. Because of this they invited an Atlantis esque catastrophe upon themselves and survive in modern times only as small, isolated populations away from civilization. Many leaders claim descent from Asimar to enforce a form of religious legitimacy, but they're also alot of superstitions about the curative properties of Asimar blood.

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    Ghasts are ghouls who grew intelligent and self-aware. They are also a playable race.

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    Drow:
    When elves were new to the world they were one happy race. The Drow are simply elves who were seduced by Lolth and the dark gods. in the wars that followed the defeated Drow were never driven underground, they instead fled to a new continent and were not pursued by the weary good elves.

    as a result the Drow or today look exactly like good elves. They rule their continent with an iron fist. As elves do not reproduce quickly, the Drow simply used their slaves to create a race of half elves. This new race are still slaves, but think they are privileged and are loyal.

    over the past 1000 years the Drow have been slowly infiltrating the players continent and setting up strong holds in the underdark. Their caves are well lit with daylight spells. Drow spies are everywhere, masquerading as adventuring elves.

    Driders are the blessed of Lolth, and enjoy reverent deference. They are always skilled adventurers. The holy sisters of Lolth make sure driders are equipped with excellent magic. If the PCs become a problem, a party of Driders will be unleashed to deal with them.

    Their goal is to breed underdark races into armies that in a surprise massive wave will wipe out (or severely weaken) the human and dwarf civilizations and leave the elves open for conquest and enslavement. If their underdark armies are killed, then it is no matter. Their real armies are on the continent ready to sail.
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    Hobgoblins are turning out to be a bigger player I thought they'd be in a setting I'm working on. I've been contemplating a sort of hobgoblin equivalent of the drow- pale-skinned, sometimes with a slight bluish tint, and subterranean, the masters of strange necromantic magicks and creators of monstrous beasts. These drow-goblins were perhaps hobgoblins afflicted with a strange disease caused by a parasitic mold, which causes their skin to grow pale and extremely sensitive to sunlight. This is because sunlight can kill the mold in a few days. As a result, drow-goblins who manage to stay on the surface for around a week gradually are cured, becoming normal, healthy hobgoblins.

    Thinking about it, that could potentially be an interesting origin for drow and/or duergar and/or svirfneblin as well.

    Another random thought that just came to mind: we have dark ones, drow, duergar, and svirfneblin. Where are all the mushroom-farming Underdark halflings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzlefoot View Post
    Ghasts are ghouls who grew intelligent and self-aware. They are also a playable race.
    Those could potentially exist, I think there were two brothers who failed their transformation into liches and became ghouls instead somewhere.
    At least one was intelligent and self-aware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzlefoot View Post

    Thinking about it, that could potentially be an interesting origin for drow and/or duergar and/or svirfneblin as well.

    Another random thought that just came to mind: we have dark ones, drow, duergar, and svirfneblin. Where are all the mushroom-farming Underdark halflings?
    Since most settings just kinda stolen from Tolkien's work, I really don't know what you could do with an underground race of Hobbits. Maybe you could go for an evil-mirror of the Shire for their society -- basically the hillbillies of the Underdark, with most of them lazy, fat and inbred. It'd make for an interesting take, being the Sloth to the Drow's Pride, but I don't know what else you can do with them.

    Also, does anyone else think that the duergar are redundant? "These are dwarves, known for their deep mines and being grumpy, except even deeper and meaner."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DuctTapeKatar View Post
    Also, does anyone else think that the duergar are redundant? "These are dwarves, known for their deep mines and being grumpy, except even deeper and meaner."
    Yeah, they are. Probably because they were inspired directly by Norse dwarves (sorta), while more "normal D&D" dwarves closely resemble those from Tolkein more. Since Tolkein basically just used Norse dwarves but with the positive aspects played up a bit, duergar end up pretty redundant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzlefoot View Post
    Ghasts are ghouls who grew intelligent and self-aware. They are also a playable race.
    Do they still have to eat people, or are they just immortal people? The Elantris/Dead Girl thing would be fairly cool where they can't heal and slowly fall apart despite their best efforts to stitch themselves up for eternity. Necromancer libraries made of them would be interesting, where people can ask them about stuff they remember or are forced to memorize.

    There is lots of cool things you can do with undead races. They break a lot of the rules about mortality, requiring food, etc.

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    There are two types of creatures commonly called "demons".

    One, the conceptual demons, are the losers of a war before time began, exiled to the non-space prison dimension known as the Abyss. They are incarnations of concepts, all broken and twisted from their fall. These include such things as all/self-consuming hunger, non-linear causality, insatiable curiosity, etc. They are whole in and of themselves (not requiring outside energy for support) and tend to be entirely alien in their mindsets. To mortals they seem to be natural disasters made flesh--they act for reasons inscrutiable to man and with seemingly no concern for things like logic, physical law, or any other such thing. Their interactions with mortals tend to be baffling or often fatal (sometimes unintentionally--humans can't survive being in 3 widely separated places at once). No one (sane anyway) worships these beings (although some might serve as patrons for warlocks, often without the demon's knowledge)--they don't respond to mortals in that way at all. When killed, they can potentially reform in the Abyss, but are then different beings. Each one is unique--there is only ever one incarnation of a particular concept at a time.

    The other are the "common" demons. They were all beings of other types (whether mortal or not) who have become dependent on the souls of others for their sustenance. This normally happens through intentional dark rituals and blood magic, but some have been created by merely being around such things or being born in regions tainted by such magics. At a certain threshold of distortion, they are rejected by reality and must take up residence in the Abyss (where they share the non-space with the conceptual demons that still exist). They can be summoned and provided with mortal bodies--if they do, they don't die when killed (because that's written in the spell-contract). If they come bodily to the mortal plane, they're just as vulnerable as anyone.

    While "common" demons are not inherently evil, they're certainly not considered good neighbors. Their very presence (and especially their feeding) pollutes the world around them, increasing the chances that more tainted souls will be born. When the whole world is built out of soul-stuff, anything that eats souls eats away at the fabric of the world itself. However, they promise (and deliver!) power to those that worship them and provide them with souls. As such, demon cults occur wherever mortals gather. Most civilized places have declared such cults hostis humani generis; suspicion is conviction and the only sentence is death, delivered immediately.
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    @ sizzlefoot.
    I can see hobgoblins as the highest form of Goblinkind. They have all the beauty of stats of a half elf and the ruthless dreams of conquest that all their kin have. Their cities are full of art made by slaves, but they are 'Spartans' and train exclusively for war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops08 View Post
    @ sizzlefoot.
    I can see hobgoblins as the highest form of Goblinkind. They have all the beauty of stats of a half elf and the ruthless dreams of conquest that all their kin have. Their cities are full of art made by slaves, but they are 'Spartans' and train exclusively for war.
    I was initially planning on doing something like this, but I decided to mix it up a little. To make up for their weakness and small size, almost all goblins develop sorcerous abilities during puberty. Those who don't are generally exiled or even killed, to keep the bloodline pure. This has made the goblins the magocratic rulers of the goblinkin empire, with bugbears as the warriors and hobgoblins as the common folk. Since hobgoblins are waaay more common than goblins and bugbears, and because they tend to be abused and downtrodden, hobgoblin adventurers aren't all that uncommon.
    An interesting plot idea: out of the blue, a hobgoblin is born with sorcery. Do they hide it in fear of being executed or experimented on? Do they use it as a weapon to rebel against the goblin overlords? Do they strike out on their own, adventuring and on the run?

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    In my work-in-progress setting, humans originally bred orcs as soldiers shortly after rebelling against an empire of giants. But a disturbing though just came to mind: what if they also bred them for food?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzlefoot View Post
    In my work-in-progress setting, humans originally bred orcs as soldiers shortly after rebelling against an empire of giants. But a disturbing though just came to mind: what if they also bred them for food?
    I think that Orc meat wouldn't be all that tasty -- if you have enough orcs and you are starving, and don't mind becoming a wendigo for eating another sapient creature, maybe. But if these are standard fantasy orcs, then I doubt that ANYONE would want to eat their meat, much less humans.

    Picture a steak made out of some sort of green tire-rubber, seeping with grease, smelling like a bear, and probably has some sort of gristle in tones of dark brown -- and now picture eating that.

    If they were pOrcs, like you see in some Japanese fantasy games, maybe. But even those guys are pretty gross-looking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DuctTapeKatar View Post
    I think that Orc meat wouldn't be all that tasty -- if you have enough orcs and you are starving, and don't mind becoming a wendigo for eating another sapient creature, maybe. But if these are standard fantasy orcs, then I doubt that ANYONE would want to eat their meat, much less humans.

    Picture a steak made out of some sort of green tire-rubber, seeping with grease, smelling like a bear, and probably has some sort of gristle in tones of dark brown -- and now picture eating that.

    If they were pOrcs, like you see in some Japanese fantasy games, maybe. But even those guys are pretty gross-looking.
    Heh. I'm I vegetarian myself, so I s'pose I wouldn't be eating any orcs anyway, but that doesn't sound too good. Hmm. What do elves taste like?

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