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    No comics this week while Abbadon prepares for the LANCER Kickstarter, which launches on the 8th.

    I keep seeing the mech art on his Twitter and it looks incredible, but I haven’t looked into the lore or mechanics of the game at all... probably gonna back it anyway. I stopped doing Kickstarters a while ago, but Abbadon deserves all of my money.
    Starting a new project without killing the old one is generally a bad thing. Something loses attention.
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    Abbadon's been working on Lancer for months now.

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    Abbadon's been working on Lancer for months now.
    Years. I suspect it's been showing.
    The end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.

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    Starting a new project without killing the old one is generally a bad thing. Something loses attention.
    While I’d tend to agree in principle...

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    Abbadon's been working on Lancer for months now.
    ...yeah, this. ^ Also, Lancer is a team effort; there’s at least one other person involved right now and I believe they’re currently looking for more. This is not Abbadon just writing, drawing, and designing an entire RPG/setting from scratch all
    by himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rooster707 View Post
    While I’d tend to agree in principle..
    I didn't know about this before now, but I do think the production rate and quality of KSBD has declined for a while now.

    ...yeah, this. ^ Also, Lancer is a team effort; there’s at least one other person involved right now and I believe they’re currently looking for more. This is not Abbadon just writing, drawing, and designing an entire RPG/setting from scratch all
    by himself.
    Whatever, it's a distraction either way. If it's good enough to replace KSBD he should drop this, if it's not, he should drop that. His call, but drop one, is what I'm saying, I'm not feeling like Lancer is my sort of thing, but I'm a random, could be everbody else likes Lancer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfeye View Post
    Starting a new project without killing the old one is generally a bad thing. Something loses attention.
    Yeah, the last time an artist I liked did it, the 2nd project didn't last very long and went completely unfinished because the authors acknowledged they couldn't keep up with both comics.

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    We should consider that this is Abbadon's full time job, though. That comic and associated projects pay him almost twice what I make as a teacher. Most other webcomic authors do it as a hobby, in their free time, for little to no recompense. This means he has much more time to spend on his projects than most.

    Besides, he's published at least one other PbtA RPG system to no discernible impact on the comic, showing he can handle it. I'm more inclined to think this is less him splitting his attention and more a way to not have to think about the same thing all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfeye View Post
    I didn't know about this before now, but I do think the production rate and quality of KSBD has declined for a while now.
    Could you expand on this? I didn't get the impression much has changed. Although the update rate has slowed a bit.
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    Could you expand on this? I didn't get the impression much has changed. Although the update rate has slowed a bit.
    I don't know that I can in any detail, the slower updates and maybe a loss of understandable-ness?
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    I don't know that I can in any detail, the slower updates and maybe a loss of understandable-ness?
    A LOSS?

    Actually, the story has always been extremely obscure. The first book started in medias res, and it's only in the last half of the book that something like "plot" started shining through. You need to read the story many times over. You need to refer to the commentaries and the tumblr to get basic information about anything. In some cases, the K6BD-Wikia has picked up the slack and provides meaningful references.

    As far as I know, this is not an oversight, it's by design. To make the story less predictable, and to get the reader involved - you have to research and speculate by yourself, or you get lost there.

    Still to this point, we have no idea on so many important topics of the story that it hurts. Basically characters with the exception of Allison are speaking in riddles, based on that they know their world, and we readers don't.

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    The LANCER Kickstarter is live and already at about 75% to its goal within an hour. This pleases me.

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    I suspect Meti didn't actually mind being fed to the dogs after death.

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    I suspect Meti didn't actually mind being fed to the dogs after death.
    Speaking of references. There was one text how some from the school wanted to die, but can't find it anywhere.
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    I suspect Meti didn't actually mind being fed to the dogs after death.
    Actually it's reference from the alt text from a few pages back. Maya asked what she should do with Meti's body if she were torn apart by her enemies, and Meti said she should just feed it to the dogs. Meti really didn't give a damn about what happened to her body after death

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    Actually it's reference from the alt text from a few pages back. Maya asked what she should do with Meti's body if she were torn apart by her enemies, and Meti said she should just feed it to the dogs. Meti really didn't give a damn about what happened to her body after death
    Specifically, the alt text to this page. Incubus followed her orders even beyond the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slayerx View Post
    Actually it's reference from the alt text from a few pages back. Maya asked what she should do with Meti's body if she were torn apart by her enemies, and Meti said she should just feed it to the dogs. Meti really didn't give a damn about what happened to her body after death
    That is the Diogenes reference- Meti's quote there is a direct paraphrase of Diogenes' own attitude towards burial rites.
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    Actually it's reference from the alt text from a few pages back. Maya asked what she should do with Meti's body if she were torn apart by her enemies, and Meti said she should just feed it to the dogs. Meti really didn't give a damn about what happened to her body after death
    Which actually may be some interested implied subtext, when coupled with the whole head shaving thing.

    It doesn't really look like Maya ever actually shaved her head with the sword, while Incubus did it without question. Meti told them to feed her body to the dogs when she was dead, and Incubus actually did it.

    I'm getting the impression that what Maya ACTUALLY hates about Incubus is that Meti liked him better than her as a student.

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    Which actually may be some interested implied subtext, when coupled with the whole head shaving thing.

    It doesn't really look like Maya ever actually shaved her head with the sword, while Incubus did it without question. Meti told them to feed her body to the dogs when she was dead, and Incubus actually did it.

    I'm getting the impression that what Maya ACTUALLY hates about Incubus is that Meti liked him better than her as a student.
    Yeah, I get that impression as well. Maya seemed to learn swordsmanship while rejecting Meti's philosophy, while Incubus embraced the sword and philosophy both.
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    Yeah, I get that impression as well. Maya seemed to learn swordsmanship while rejecting Meti's philosophy, while Incubus embraced the sword and philosophy both.
    Except he didn’t accept the philosophy - if he did he would have thought the sword a monumentally stupid weapon and gone to have built a house instead.

    They both learned what they wanted to learn (sword art), and they both ignored various things.
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    Now i am wondering if Incubus actually just challenged Meti to a regular duel,
    to test if he had surpassed his old trainer.
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    I think its possible that Meti never even considered Maya a true student and thus never formally taught her the Sword Law. She has the honorific "ten Meti", but when the girl says "then you became her second [apprentice]", Maya doesn't directly answer her. Its possible that Meti spent her entire time teaching Incubus misgendering him(which is why her Sword Manual refers to her student as a girl), I mean, she wasn't the most pleasant individual.

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    I think its possible that Meti never even considered Maya a true student and thus never formally taught her the Sword Law. She has the honorific "ten Meti", but when the girl says "then you became her second [apprentice]", Maya doesn't directly answer her. Its possible that Meti spent her entire time teaching Incubus misgendering him(which is why her Sword Manual refers to her student as a girl), I mean, she wasn't the most pleasant individual.
    The problem is that the sword manual doesn't just refer to her apprentice as a girl, it says her only apprentice is:
    ...an idiot speck of a girl with more talent for eating than skill with the blade
    ...which definitely describes Maya (or is at least how Meti might describe Maya), but doesn't really describe anything we know about Incubus. We have no reason to think he's a big eater, whereas Maya was introduced ignoring the giant death battle behind her to finish eating her noodles.

    Another problem is the way the Seven and Incubus seem to regard Maya vs. Incubus. It wouldn't make sense for them to hold Incubus in contempt and to view Maya as legitimate if Incubus was Meti's only student.

    I think it's more likely that:

    1. Incubus had already left or been kicked out by that point (hence 'only apprentice'), or,

    2. Maya is leaving something else out. It's entirely possible, given Meti's contempt for people who use swords, that she took the incompetent, disobedient student and not the competent dangerous one. That is to say, she'd recognize Incubus' fanaticism and desire to master killing people with swords at any costs, and to her this would be a reason to not train him.

    3. Something else weird is going on here.
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    Well, Incubus was a starving urchin at that point, its possible that he was just as big of an eater as Maya is now

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    There's also this and this from Abaddon's tumblr.

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    Interesting. I notice that in the most recent now Maya's head is shaved.

    And yeah, this is definitely informing us why everybody said Meti only had one apprentice.
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    I just really wanted to pop in and say yes, I just started the comic, and it has made me so happy over the past week.

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    And yeah, this is definitely informing us why everybody said Meti only had one apprentice.
    Apparently, Incubus wasn't an apprentice for Meti, but a Lesson for Maya - which might feed into his own inferiority complex since he thought he was an apprentice.
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